2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Who is conspiring there? Thinking a power mad person will disobey rules and society will allow it, is not suggesting a conspiracy.

Having a low opinion of Trump and the United States' ability to inhibit authoritarians has nothing to do with lizard people or whatever else.
As much as I don't doubt Trump might try things to stay in power in November and the GOP would be happy to support that (to a point), I really dont think he'd be able to get anywhere if going for a third term. If Trump wants to fight for a third term (physically or through constitutional change), he'll have to have the support of the GOP leadership and they won't give it. Despite Trump's influence in the party, there is an enormous reputational risk, as there won't be more than 20% of Americans (high estimate) that'll support this. I agree that the GOP leadership likely sees Trump as a useful idiot, so instead of supporting him through such madness, they'd rather find another useful idiots - if only in Trump's own family, if that's what it takes to.keep Trump on side.
 
As much as I don't doubt Trump might try things to stay in power in November and the GOP would be happy to support that (to a point), I really dont think he'd be able to get anywhere if going for a third term. If Trump wants to fight for a third term (physically or through constitutional change), he'll have to have the support of the GOP leadership and they won't give it. Despite Trump's influence in the party, there is an enormous reputational risk, as there won't be more than 20% of Americans (high estimate) that'll support this. I agree that the GOP leadership likely sees Trump as a useful idiot, so instead of supporting him through such madness, they'd rather find another useful idiots - if only in Trump's own family, if that's what it takes to.keep Trump on side.
That cannot happen. They just do not have the numbers which make the entire debate an Alex Jones-like level of conspiracy theory.

This leaves taking the power by force as the only option, and they need the army to be in line with them, which again they don't have. A general with nuclear arsenal access who would stand in their way, and suddenly you have all the ingredients for a civil war.

Why on Earth someone like McConnell would go with that (considering that he spent his life implementing his vision, still within the law) and risk undoing everything, where the other option is so much easier?

And it is not that they need a useful idiot in the first place. They could have smart people instead. In fact, if someone like Kasich or Romney would ave been presidents instead, the majority of laws that were done in these 4 years would have been implemented, and pretty much all the judges Trump elected would have been elected anyway. The coalition of GOP and Trump was mutually beneficial for both, but there is no reason for GOP to need Trump.
 
That cannot happen. They just do not have the numbers which make the entire debate an Alex Jones-like level of conspiracy theory.

This leaves taking the power by force as the only option, and they need the army to be in line with them, which again they don't have. A general with nuclear arsenal access who would stand in their way, and suddenly you have all the ingredients for a civil war.

Why on Earth someone like McConnell would go with that (considering that he spent his life implementing his vision, still within the law) and risk undoing everything, where the other option is so much easier?
That's what I'm saying. If Trump wants a third term, he'd have to get it by force or through constitutional change. Both approaches would require GOP leadership support and I don't see that happening for the reasons I listed. (I also don't think the US military would.play along, but that doesn't even matter to my argument.)
 
That's what I'm saying. If Trump wants a third term, he'd have to get it by force or through constitutional change. Both approaches would require GOP leadership support and I don't see that happening for the reasons I listed.
What I mean is that even if GOP leadership supported him in that case (which they won't), they still do not have the numbers to achieve that.

Which leaves by Force as the only possible option.
 
What I mean is that even if GOP leadership supported him in that case (which they won't), they still do not have the numbers to achieve that.

Which leaves by Force as the only possible option.
Ah, right, sorry. I added that as an edit to my response actually - I don't see that happening either. But I just don't see Trump making it that far. Even if he is really hellbent on getting a third term and GOP leaders would fear breaking up their party by opposing Trump, they'd manage to talk him into replacing him with Ivanka or one of her idiot brothers.
 
Kinell people. Trump loses the election and he is out. He might complain and moan and pretend something or other that he made up is corrupt to keep him out but in the end that is all just bluster to try to play to his ever decreasing base.

No way would the military back this fantasy or even just stand by and see it happen. The US may seem a particularity big shit show at the moment but a Trump led coup is just not going to happen.
 
Not sure about anyone else, but the ad on this page is puppet master Harris looming over Biden with marionette strings on her fingers. Bunker boy's team didn't waste much time. :lol:
 
Kinell people. Trump loses the election and he is out. He might complain and moan and pretend something or other that he made up is corrupt to keep him out but in the end that is all just bluster to try to play to his ever decreasing base.
That is slightly different. If it is just for a few votes here and there, I wouldn't rule out trying to steal the election, especially if votes sent by mail take long to count. I mean, it has already happened once, so why it cannot happen again (though independent studies later showed that Bush would have won anyway).

What DOTA is suggesting (and some are going with) is him deciding to go for a third term, and everyone being alright with it, which essentially has 0 chance of happening.
 
Kinell people. Trump loses the election and he is out. He might complain and moan and pretend something or other that he made up is corrupt to keep him out but in the end that is all just bluster to try to play to his ever decreasing base.

Silly Wibble, didn't you read above? The most likely outcome is a rebellion led by a cheese flavored lizard man and backed a turtle in the senate.
 
That is slightly different. If it is just for a few votes here and there, I wouldn't rule out trying to steal the election, especially if votes sent by mail take long to count. I mean, it has already happened once, so why it cannot happen again (though independent studies later showed that Bush would have won anyway).

What DOTA is suggesting (and some are going with) is him deciding to go for a third term, and everyone being alright with it, which essentially has 0 chance of happening.

That to is just not going to happen. All this is fantasy.
 
That to is just not going to happen. All this is fantasy.
This has been said endlessly with Trump. People desperately want to believe at every point he can be stopped and they can't let go of that no matter how many times they are wrong.

You're telling the teacher on him, when the teacher would rather not get involved.
 
Silly Wibble, didn't you read above? The most likely outcome is a rebellion led by a cheese flavored lizard man and backed a turtle in the senate.

Google "Turtle in the senate" and the first hit is Mitch McConnell's wikipedia page.

This is probably old news but apparently someone with an ip address that resolved to congress edited this page to say that he was in fact a turtle. That is nearly as good as the edit to Frank Bruno's page that for years claimed he was in Ghostbusters.
 
This has been said endlessly with Trump. People desperately want to believe at every point he can be stopped and they can't let go of that no matter how many times they are wrong.
Dude, he was not able to build a stupid wall that was his main electoral promise, or repeal Obamacare, or fire a prosecutor, but sure he is gonna get a third mandate that unambiguously is unconstitutional.
 
This has been said endlessly with Trump. People desperately want to believe at every point he can be stopped and they can't let go of that no matter how many times they are wrong.

Bill Clinton wasn't convicted when impeached. That Trump has used his presidential powers to pardon some cronies undermines the position of President imo, but it isn't the first time a President have pardoned people they shouldn't have. Probably just the most blatant.
 
Bill Clinton wasn't convicted when impeached. That Trump has used his presidential powers to pardon some cronies undermines the position of President imo, but it isn't the first time a President have pardoned people they shouldn't have. Probably just the most blatant.
That's my point. It's blatant and it shifts no opinions. If he wins again, it is on a platform of 'I'm blatantly corrupt but I'm your man'. That's the issue.
 
That's my point. It's blatant and it shifts no opinions. If he wins again, it is on a platform of 'I'm blatantly corrupt but I'm your man'. That's the issue.

If he wins again he can tell everyone he is Emperor of the Universe and it still won't make a bit of difference when it comes to getting a third term. It just isn't going to happen.
 
Woke up and checked out the posts in this thread since last night. I can’t believe the notion of a third term has truly been discussed for 3 pages. What a let down
 
What a dumb republican, didnt the other R's tell her you're not supposed to say these thing aloud?
She is utterly batshit. It will be interesting to follow her outbursts over the next few months as she is a lock for the election. I will be curious to see if she doubles down on her lunacy or not.
 
One advantage of Trump is that quite a few republicans now say all the racist shite they've always thought in public. Their mask of civilization dropped off.
 
Bill Clinton wasn't convicted when impeached. That Trump has used his presidential powers to pardon some cronies undermines the position of President imo, but it isn't the first time a President have pardoned people they shouldn't have. Probably just the most blatant.

And which other recent presidents have openly committed crimes in office, had their DoJ act as their own private legal team, publicly threatened whistleblowers and punished them whenever possible, called the media the enemy of the people and overseen a justice system where literally hundreds of journalists were recently attacked by police while covering protests against the police? Oh and openly threatened his own party's congress and senate members if they refuse to follow him in lockstep, all while lying multiple times daily and openly not giving a single feck while over 160,000 Americans die?

We are not in normal times here ffs.

That doesn't mean in 4 years time he'll be running for a 3rd term, but if he wins a 2nd term the US will be unrecognizable in 4 years anyway.
 
Still a lot of hard feelings after the primaries it seems, which is only compounded now that the likes of Sanders and AOC are getting behind Biden.

Some people are always going to be unhappy as they expect everyone to be a white knight like Bernie.

They fail to realize that the way Harris did her job as an AG would be very different in today's climate as most career climbing politicians shape shift based on prevailing sentiments. She already flipped her position to an extent from her time as AG to when she introduced the bail reform bill as a Senator.
 
Some people are always going to be unhappy as they expect everyone to be a white knight like Bernie.

They fail to realize that the way Harris did her job as an AG would be very different in today's climate as most career climbing politicians shape shift based on prevailing sentiments. She already flipped her position to an extent from her time as AG to when she introduced the bail reform bill as a Senator.
I'd rather have someone who isn't a nasty-ass chameleon thanks
 
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