His name is going to be on at least one ballot, which means he's already damaged Biden. Egotistical prick of a man.
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His name is going to be on at least one ballot, which means he's already damaged Biden. Egotistical prick of a man.
In 2008, roughly similar amounts of Clinton primary voters went for McCain as Sanders voters went for Trump. According to some numbers a lot more Clinton voters did.
As for the Sanders voters that switched, 50 % of them voted for Romney over Obama in 2012, they were old, they were on the spectrum of moderate to very conservative, and they had conservative views on race. Almost all of the Sanders primary voters voted in the general, which means that the leftists that supported Sanders in the primaries overwhelmingly supported Clinton in the general.
That's at least some data for you, what's your data showing how the leftists don't vote because of purity tests?
Also, even though I keep encouraging people to vote because Trump and the Republicans are such ginormous thundercnuts, let's be honest a vote for Biden is not the same as voting for Sanders. People keep talking about purity tests, but in reality its more like telling someone that they can't vote for their Labour preference but should vote Tory to stop the UKIP wanker from getting in. That might work a few times, but sooner or later people get really sick of it.
I think the people who were thinking of voting Biden who are thinking of switching to Kanye are in the single digits. He's clearly just doing this for publicity or because he's insane but nonone will take his candidacy seriously.
Sometimes states can come down to very fine margins.
Agreed but I think the circumstances are different this time. Biden doesn't inspire this intense hatred in people the way Hillary did and Trump's performance will be motivation enough for loads.
Fingers crossed. I'm sure the GOP will have some twisted shit to throw in the run-up to the election though.
Wow, my stat of the day: the GOP majority in the senate were elected by 14 million fewer voters than the Dems' minority.
Nice.
Nice.
Sad to see this brilliant rapper end this way. He's moving mad.
John Kasich speaking at Democratic National Convention
DNC have gone all in on Republican lite.
DNC have gone all in on Republican lite.
It would not surprise me in the least if we find out he dresses in his dead mother's clothes.
I can't wait to vote for "The West Presidency" for thread of the year at the next caf awards.
Really though, the guy's bi-polar, he needs help. Politics in the US are a fecking farce. Idiocracy is real.
Really though, the guy's bi-polar, he needs help. Politics in the US are a fecking farce. Idiocracy is real.
Its not like anyone is going to vote for him if he runs. The I'll vote for Kanye people on the internet arent voter age anyway.
JFC, John Kasich to be given a DNC speaking slot at convention
Shrewd move if it happens, especially with Ohio being winnable for Biden.
I disagree. The democrats absolutely hammered him on mass privatisation of Ohios economy and his utterly disgusting stance on social issues in 2016. Is it possible to not try to reform the image absolute bigots just for the sake of optics?
I'm not surprised they are doing it TBH. There are a lot of votes to be gained in the middle of the spectrum and creating the perception of bipartisanship is a good way to do it. Biden himself is friendly with various Republicans so it would be perfectly in line with his MO.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...iden-still-has-work-do-black-younger-n1234332
Not going to take the usual "haha young people don't like Biden" routine. Thought I'd note how disappointing it is to see young people dumped on the irrelevancy sideline again. They didn't turn out for Bernie and now they have just given up completely. Who's going to be the politician to bring them out as a proportional force in politics? As we face existential issues, young people will always be one of the group's that suffer the most. I wonder if democrats are actually thinking about this after the "pivot to the centre right" phase is over when Biden leaves office?
Are there any countries that had any success truly mobilizing the young folks? I know us old people now think that it's hard to understand why most of them arent interested in politics but how many of us were in our teens or even twenties when we re busy chasing tail and downing beers or other stuff we should be happy about didn't end up in the news? Serious question really.
Yes - one might (should?) argue that today's reality more than anything is the best reason young American voters may have ever had to be interested but if a lot of the "old" folks can't even be bothered to pay attention to everything...
And then when we do have many of them turn out - they are often ridiculed for being too naive, etc - brushing them aside like their opinion has no relevance - and I'm not sure that's even a party thing either.
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Youth turnout was up this primary (at least on Super Tuesday), but it was swamped by increased turnout from older people.
Obama and Bernie managed to get some enthusiasm among young people in their 4 runs. I wonder if it's exhausted now after 2 disappointing wins and 2 definitive defeats. Also (if the demographic trends hold), this isn't a pivot to the right, it's a stable, rewarding strategy.
the comments section is impressively toxic
If I were american I wouldn't vote for the Democrats. It's not viable to ask people to vote their entire lives fro something they don't like just because the other side comes up with loons. People may cover their nose and do it once or twice, but if that is asked of them literally their entire life, they have every right not to do it and not feel guilty about it.
Except that most Dems are generally ok with the people they vote for, otherwise they wouldn't bother going through the trouble of voting.
I am talking about people politically left of the democratic party, like those in this thread who are made to be some sort of villains because they don't want to vote for Biden. I'm sure they are a decent percentage in the US.
I geneally agree, but this new poll suggests it's more complicted.
I think the circumstances surrounding this year's election are pretty unique. People seem to be ignoring the usual emphasis on policy issues in favor of doing what's necessary to pry Trump out of the Presidency. If this were a normal election year, we wouldn't be seeing strange things like Chomsky and Kasich agreeing on the same candidate.
If you alienate some potential voters by bringing in a homophobe that wants to take away women's rights, then the net result is (votes gained by Kasich) - (votes lost by Kasich). For future elections, you'd have the Kasich fans who stay for the next elections vs the alienated who stay out because of things like this. Considering the fact that the Kasich fans are 100 % voting against Trump and not for Biden, while the alienated voters will be disillusioned with the democratic party generally, this could be a risky long-term strategy.
However, you potentially mobilize the homophobic section of democrat aligning voters and the neolibs, so the end result is hard to say anything certain about.
As I said before, Chomsky has advocated voting against the Republican in every election ever, so he agreed with Henry Kissinger, Condolezza Rice, Michael Bloomberg, and David Frum in 2016 and with Colin Powell in 2008.
Kasich continues a 2016 tradition, where the DNC invited Michael Bloomberg to speak about national security.
The purity-driven Republican party somehow does not face this problem, through multiple purges in 1994, 2010, and 2016.
And the only Democrats they would invite to their conventions are people who have decisively left the party and its ideology (like Joe Liberman, who spoke at the RNC in 2008).
Anyway, I think this is a good strategy for the Democratic party and its dominant faction. These are the votes they are chasing and appearing to get.
My only problem is the double standards of people who called the Joe Rogan endorsement of Bernie an embrace of fascism because of what Rogan said about trans wrestlers on his podcast, and are now inviting a governor who defunded planned parenthood and blocked legal protections for LGBT people - i.e. someone who used his actual power to act on his decades-long bigotry.
Agree. And they also blocked Nina Turner from speaking in 2016. Establishment Dems hate the left but will bend over for a Moderate Republican.
The Republican base isnt afraid to lose unlike the left(However small) and liberals.The long term success of the Trump presidency could be packing the democrats full of Bush Jr politicians and voters.
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There's a difference between using someone to gain votes, maybe using him on the ground on election Day, and ceding ground to legitimise people with awful political records at a convention. It's also a lie. There is no way in hell that a lunatic Republican from the trump era gets a speaking spot at the convention even if he or she turns on trump. Kasich was awful to gay people and punched down on poor people so as long as he's anti trump then all is seemingly forgiven or fobbed off. It's stupid to legitimise these people for no reason.
The notion that the democrats are left at all is a bit silly isn't it? Wanting affordable medical insurance and allowing gay people to marry isn't leftwing. It's common decency.
Inviting a republican to swing some votes is inherent to the broken two party system though. Arent Americans always screaming about tyranny of the majority? The irony is astounding.
Inviting a republican to swing some votes is inherent to the broken two party system though. Arent Americans always screaming about tyranny of the majority? The irony is astounding.
That's one way to frame it.
Another would be that Trump's policies are so far-right wing that they've united a broad coalition to vote against him. It's not like people are voting against Trump the dude because they don't like him as a person, but rather the insane policies he has pushed and continues to push in wake of a global pandemic and protests in the cities.
I'm sure some are voting against him because of the nonsense that comes out of his mouth. Look at how his poll numbers began to tank when he made the "inject them with bleach" comment at the COVID presser a couple of months ago. This weekend's Chris Wallace comedy show will likely have a similar effect imo.
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