2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Revan said:
He was heavily winning in the polls, and essentially lost every state that matters except California, despite that Bloomberg took more votes from Biden, than Warren from Bernie. He is still in the game, but from a heavy favorite, is back to an underdog.

I don't think that US is gonna move to the right in any case, but if that happens, why is that bad news for the world, and how will that negatively affect the rest of the world?
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It's bad news partly because they're then more likely to invade some random countries, creating huge crises in the process. And Biden has been enthusiastically pro-war throughout his career, just like a textbook Republican.

The other reasons are a bit more vague but basically, the US has a huge influence on the rest of the world and I fear that their Overton-window careening towards the far right at breakneck speed will accelerate the same process all over the world.

Admittedly, this latter fear might not be fully rational but basically, I don't want every country to be ruled by either a Trump or an Orbán, I need options to move if shit really hits the fan here so at least some EU countries need to remain sane :) Also, it's always sad when the right governs. That's just a sad thing in general.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Can you honestly say what happened in the 48 hour period after SC did not play a massive role in what happened on ST? The coordination with all those endorsements was not normal and it has been reported Obama was involved behind the scenes.
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Of course, it did, but in the end, Biden's voters were all centrist/moderate voters. He just got votes that would have gone to some other centrist candidate.

It is clear, that the left-wing of the party is a minority on the Democratic party, and that Sanders not only has not been able to extend his base of voters since 2016, but his base has actually been shrunk (or maybe, a lot of his voters were anti-Clinton voters rather than Sanders voters). It is becoming clear that he also does not inspire a big voters turnout. The turnout increases in many states (North Carolina the biggest example), but he got crushed in those states, which actually means that contrary to the general wisdom, it is sleepy Joe who is inspiring people to go to vote. And finally, he outspent Biden 5-1 or so for the Super Tuesday, and yet got heavily defeated.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest except wishful thinking that he might do better than Biden in general elections. Absolutely nothing.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Can you honestly say what happened in the 48 hour period after SC did not play a massive role in what happened on ST? The coordination with all those endorsements was not normal and it has been reported Obama was involved behind the scenes.
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Candidates routinely coordinate endorsements at key moments in campaigns for maximum effect. That’s politics.
 
Revan said:
which actually means that contrary to the general wisdom, it is sleepy Joe who is inspiring people to go to vote.
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Bitecofer disagrees with you on that.



And finally, he outspent Biden 5-1 or so for the Super Tuesday, and yet got heavily defeated.
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Have you taken into account all the free media that Biden's campaign got.

 
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can't make this shit up. This is the same dancing around the issue that Trump successfully used to bash hillary for her health fumbles on the campaign. Just prove he's a bumbling idiot and doesn't actually a health problem, then the stories will go away.
 
1) Who is her?

2) Let's go into conspiracy theories now that my candidate is not winning.
 
Raoul said:
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In sum, I do not endorse candidates, but Joe Biden does not nearly meet my threshold for signs of dangerous mental instability. I still encourage all presidential and vice-presidential candidates to undergo fitness-for-duty exams that include a mental capacity evaluation
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"We will replace the formal cognitive function test with his travel and meeting schedule as proof".

Well done. :rolleyes:
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
You can think all those things if you so wish. She wasn't rejected because she was a woman though. She was rejected because she used to be a Republican and as the campaign went on she moved to the center.
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She lost because she isn't a progressive and people saw her for what she is. Anyone who understands anything about progressive or radical studies knows that you can't claim to be one while believing in capitalism. That is the most basic and obvious thing about being a progressive.
 
entropy said:
She lost because she isn't a progressive and people saw her for what she is. Anyone who understands anything about progressive or radical studies knows that you can't claim to be one while believing in capitalism. That is the most basic and obvious thing about being a progressive.
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So you cannot be both a progressive and a capitalist?
 
Revan said:
So you cannot be both a progressive and a capitalist?
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In a normative sense you most certainly can, since progressive is merely a rebranding of the word liberal in the late 80s when Republicans managed to successfully turn "liberal" into a shameful word, to where Dems eventually started using progressive instead. The 88 Bush v Dukakis campaign was sort of the watershed moment when liberal became a bad word in American politics.
 
Revan said:
1) Who is her?

2) Let's go into conspiracy theories now that my candidate is not winning.
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Bitecofer is an election forecaster and analyst. Her forecasting model predicted that the Dems would pick up 42 seats in the 2018 midterms (they picked up 41).

What was remarkable was that her model predicted those results months before the midterms took place.

https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/2019/07/01-2020-election-forecast/

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...rofile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944
 
I just listened to a live Biden speech. Was heckled by a small group on something to do with housing and while the rest of the crowd tried to shout them he told them to stop and invited the group to speak in private which I think they agreed. Other than that it was standard feel good stuff focusing on uniting, education investment, childcare and healthcare policies + quoted an Irish poet at the close to sum up his thoughts that while Trump has done significant damage, the best days lie ahead.

I'm no doctor and don't feel comfortable relying on small cut clips to diagnose from an armchair. This speech was just short of twenty minutes and fine.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Bitecofer is an election forecaster and analyst. Her forecasting model predicted that the Dems would pick up 42 seats in the 2018 midterms (they picked up 41).

What was remarkable was that her model predicted those results months before the midterms took place.

https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/2019/07/01-2020-election-forecast/

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...rofile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944
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She was on Maher's show last night. Very unimpressive.
 
Raoul said:
In a normative sense you most certainly can, since progressive is merely a rebranding of the word liberal in the late 80s when Republicans managed to successfully turn "liberal" into a shameful word, to where Dems eventually started using progressive instead. The 88 Bush v Dukakis campaign was sort of the watershed moment when liberal became a bad word in American politics.
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Yes, I think so. It was more a rhetorical question to entropy, to be fair.
entropy said:
No, you cannot.
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Does this mean that Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican president) were actually not capitalists? I am using them as an example cause they are the most famous US presidents who were labelled as progressives.

Does it also mean that capitalist societies like Scandinavian countries are actually not progressive?
 
Fergies Gum said:
Bitecofer is an election forecaster and analyst. Her forecasting model predicted that the Dems would pick up 42 seats in the 2018 midterms (they picked up 41).

What was remarkable was that her model predicted those results months before the midterms took place.

https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/2019/07/01-2020-election-forecast/

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...rofile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944
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I think that most forecasts predicted the Democrats to win the House by a similar margin (538, for example, predicted a +39, which is more or less as precise as hers).

Additionally, what data she used for that conclusion? What method did she use? Did she predict the turnout raise before the election? Or we just need to simply blindly trust her cause she has 70k Twitter followers, and as we know, what is written in twitter is the truth? Oh, and she talks a lot about 'her novel theory' without actually saying anything about her theory.
 
Revan said:
Yes, I think so. It was more a rhetorical question to entropy, to be fair.

Does this mean that Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican president) were actually not capitalists? I am using them as an example cause they are the most famous US presidents who were labelled as progressives.

Does it also mean that capitalist societies like Scandinavian countries are actually not progressive?
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They have some shared traits with capitalism, but they are not capitalist societies.

Pick the name you want for their system, but it's not capitalism.
 
George Owen said:
They have some shared traits with capitalism, but they are not capitalist societies.

Pick the name you want for their system, but it's not capitalism.
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They are definitely capitalist countries, based on a capitalist economy. They also have a high dose of socialist values.

Yes, I actually think that is the best system.
 
Revan said:
I think that most forecasts predicted the Democrats to win the House by a similar margin (538, for example, predicted a +39, which is more or less as precise as hers).

Additionally, what data she used for that conclusion? What method did she use? Did she predict the turnout raise before the election? Or we just need to simply blindly trust her cause she has 70k Twitter followers, and as we know, what is written in twitter is the truth? Oh, and she talks a lot about 'her novel theory' without actually saying anything about her theory.
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The link i posted has a lot of information on her method/model.
 
Revan said:
Yes, I think so. It was more a rhetorical question to entropy, to be fair.

Does this mean that Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt (a Republican president) were actually not capitalists? I am using them as an example cause they are the most famous US presidents who were labelled as progressives.

Does it also mean that capitalist societies like Scandinavian countries are actually not progressive?
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They are capitalists. There isn’t an American president who isn’t one. Capitalism in America is very different compared to any Scandinavian countries.
 
entropy said:
They are capitalists. There isn’t an American president who isn’t one. Capitalism in America is very different compared to any Scandinavian countries.
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Who is a progressive then (example please), and what non-capitalist society is a progressive society (example please)?
 
Boycott said:
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Also white males under 35 who voted for a guy who proclaimed climate change as a Chinese hoax so how about look at your own people first.
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The best way to reverse damage to the climate is to reduce the population of the planet.

I've never thought about it that way, but you're beginning to convince me that Biden is the better candidate.
 
Raoul said:
In a normative sense you most certainly can, since progressive is merely a rebranding of the word liberal in the late 80s when Republicans managed to successfully turn "liberal" into a shameful word, to where Dems eventually started using progressive instead. The 88 Bush v Dukakis campaign was sort of the watershed moment when liberal became a bad word in American politics.
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This is a much better understanding of the word 'progressive' and the way it's used than many have, I think. It's almost specifically used to mean capitalism with benefits.

The rest of us just say we're left wing.
 
Revan said:
Who is a progressive then (example please), and what non-capitalist society is a progressive society (example please)?
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Honesty, I don’t know what you’re looking for. Progressive means very little with no context. For example are we talking about prison reform? Voting rights? housing policies?? If I were you I’d just google it. There is a ton of material. You can’t miss it.
 
Boycott said:
I just listened to a live Biden speech. Was heckled by a small group on something to do with housing and while the rest of the crowd tried to shout them he told them to stop and invited the group to speak in private which I think they agreed. Other than that it was standard feel good stuff focusing on uniting, education investment, childcare and healthcare policies + quoted an Irish poet at the close to sum up his thoughts that while Trump has done significant damage, the best days lie ahead.

I'm no doctor and don't feel comfortable relying on small cut clips to diagnose from an armchair. This speech was just short of twenty minutes and fine.
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I've seen a few of his speeches. He rambles a bit more than others (except Trump of course). Nothing to worry about imo.
 
entropy said:
Honesty, I don’t know what you’re looking for. Progressive means very little with no context. For example are we talking about prison reform? Voting rights? housing policies?? If I were you I’d just google it. There is a ton of material. You can’t miss it.
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You said that a capitalist cannot be a progressive, which by extension means that a capitalist society cannot be a progressive society. So, I am asking, based on your own definition, is there a progressive society on this planet, and if so, where is that?
 
Revan said:
You said that a capitalist cannot be a progressive, which by extension means that a capitalist society cannot be a progressive society. So, I am asking, based on your own definition, is there a progressive society on this planet, and if so, where is that?
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this is what I get for replying to someone I had on my ignore list.
 
Raoul said:
I've seen a few of his speeches. He rambles a bit more than others (except Trump of course). Nothing to worry about imo.
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No one's watching his, very rare, speeches though. They're seeing the clips. The one's where he's not able to finish his sentences. That happen almost every day he's allowed in front of a camera. The one's already in Trump campaign adverts.

No one cares about Trump's rambling. That's just Trump at this point. He doesn't run on coherence and no one expects it. He runs entirely on anti-establishment nationalism.

Biden's running on capability and it's the easiest thing in the world to find clips of him looking incapable. He has no fall back of an ideological argument, his argument is solely a claim to the thing he's most easily shown up on.

It's only not something to worry about if you're resigned to four more years.
 
Fener1907 said:
No, you're good. Enjoy your day.
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Yeah. I am sorry you have to learn it this way. But white women help uphold white supremacy. Be it getting trump elected in 2016 or Bill Clinton getting away with sexual assault. Or supporting someone like Biden whose has a terrible record on issues like abortion. If you have a tough time believing something as simple as this, I dunno what to tell you.
 
entropy said:
Yeah. I am sorry you have to learn it this way. But white women help uphold white supremacy. Be it getting trump elected in 2016 or Bill Clinton getting away with sexual assault. Or supporting someone like Biden whose has a terrible record on issues like abortion. If you have a tough time believing something as simple as this, I dunno what to tell you.
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If you say so :lol:
 
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