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Look, if Bernie gets 25% of delegates and Biden gets 24%, then yeah whatever, broker that shit. 25% isn't a mandate to be fair. I'd rather the process was democratic rather than done in a smoke filled room. Also, ranked choice voting is a good idea I think.

If Bernie gets 49.7% of delegates and the nearest contender is getting 15% or some shit... then come on.
Agree. I think over 45% of delegates would be pretty scandalous if he didn't get the nomination, over 40% also a pretty bad look, and then down until 30% a kind of bad look. Lower than 30% I think is sort of anything goes.
 
If you are curious, I looked up the 2016 superdelegates in Maryland and 14 went to Clinton and 1 went to Sanders. Note that Hillary won 62% of the vote to Bernie's 33%.
Hillary Clinton573,24262.53%
Bernie Sanders309,99033.81%



Ben CardinMDSen.Clinton[5]
Maria CordoneMDDNC[1]Clinton[20][81]
Elijah CummingsMDRep.Clinton[88]
John DelaneyMDRep.Clinton[5]
Donna EdwardsMDRep.Clinton[5][81]
Tefere GebreMDDNC[1]None
Janice GriffinMDDNC[1]None
Steny HoyerMDRep.Clinton[5]
Victoria Jackson-StanleyMDDNC[1]None
Bel Leong-HongMDDNC[1]Clinton[81]
Yvette LewisMDDNC[1]Clinton[81][189]
Glenard S. Middleton, Sr.MDDNC[1]None
Barbara MikulskiMDSen.Clinton[5][81]
Heather MizeurMDDNC[1]Sanders[218]
Bruce MorrisonMDDNC[1]Clinton[20]
Gregory PecoraroMDDNC[1]Clinton[237]
Carol PenskyMDDNC[1]Clinton[81]
Bruce PooleMDDNC[1]Clinton[246]
Karen Pope-OnwukweMDDNC[1]Clinton[20][81]
Stephanie Rawlings-BlakeMDDNC[1]None
Dutch RuppersbergerMDRep.Clinton[5]
John SarbanesMDRep.Clinton[5]
Chris Van HollenMDRep.Clinton[5]
If you are curious, I looked up the 2016 superdelegates in Maryland and 14 went to Clinton and 1 went to Sanders. Note that Hillary won 62% of the vote to Bernie's 33%.
Hillary Clinton573,24262.53%
Bernie Sanders309,99033.81%



Ben CardinMDSen.Clinton[5]
Maria CordoneMDDNC[1]Clinton[20][81]
Elijah CummingsMDRep.Clinton[88]
John DelaneyMDRep.Clinton[5]
Donna EdwardsMDRep.Clinton[5][81]
Tefere GebreMDDNC[1]None
Janice GriffinMDDNC[1]None
Steny HoyerMDRep.Clinton[5]
Victoria Jackson-StanleyMDDNC[1]None
Bel Leong-HongMDDNC[1]Clinton[81]
Yvette LewisMDDNC[1]Clinton[81][189]
Glenard S. Middleton, Sr.MDDNC[1]None
Barbara MikulskiMDSen.Clinton[5][81]
Heather MizeurMDDNC[1]Sanders[218]
Bruce MorrisonMDDNC[1]Clinton[20]
Gregory PecoraroMDDNC[1]Clinton[237]
Carol PenskyMDDNC[1]Clinton[81]
Bruce PooleMDDNC[1]Clinton[246]
Karen Pope-OnwukweMDDNC[1]Clinton[20][81]
Stephanie Rawlings-BlakeMDDNC[1]None
Dutch RuppersbergerMDRep.Clinton[5]
John SarbanesMDRep.Clinton[5]
Chris Van HollenMDRep.Clinton[5]
Sanders leading in Maryland this time round.
 
I know, it's why I am shocked that Bernie is that close to her (thought she would get a much higher % of the votes).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amy-klobuchar-copper-mine-minnesota_n_5e57f949c5b6450a30bb90e8

Amy Klobuchar Has Been Weirdly Quiet About A Massive Mining Controversy In Her Home State
The Chilean firm looking to build a copper-nickel mine near a Minnesota wilderness area has a connection to the Trump family and a record of pollution overseas.
 
Look, if Bernie gets 25% of delegates and Biden gets 24%, then yeah whatever, broker that shit. 25% isn't a mandate to be fair. I'd rather the process was democratic rather than done in a smoke filled room. Also, ranked choice voting is a good idea I think.

If Bernie gets 49.7% of delegates and the nearest contender is getting 15% or some shit... then come on.

Can’t see this happening. If he’s close there will be enormous pressure to give it to him.
 
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Went to lunch with a group of Columbian, cuban and US floridians and they are dead set against Bernie :eek:

Age, Remarks supporting Castro and I kid you not, 'angry man' were the reasons quoted consistently by the 50 strong group. Was told by one of the lunch organizers that the group is representative of Florida electorate, which I will take it with a pinch of salt, but I think FL is a no go for Bernie unfortunately. Not sure if he can come out strongly against Castro to bring these South American voting bloc back to him.
 
Went to lunch with a group of Columbian, cuban and US floridians and they are dead set against Bernie :eek:

Age, Remarks supporting Castro and I kid you not, 'angry man' were the reasons quoted consistently by the 50 strong group. Was told by one of the lunch organizers that the group is representative of Florida electorate, which I will take it with a pinch of salt, but I think FL is a no go for Bernie unfortunately. Not sure if he can come out strongly against Castro to bring these South American voting bloc back to him.

ya florida is out. if bernie is running it's the midwest at the expense of the south.
unfortunately the video has been scrubbed from the internet, but there's this nice clip of a very drunk guy watching the democrats lose both races in florida in 2018 and he goes on a rant starting with "what did you expect, it's fecking florida".
 
Went to lunch with a group of Columbian, cuban and US floridians and they are dead set against Bernie :eek:

Age, Remarks supporting Castro and I kid you not, 'angry man' were the reasons quoted consistently by the 50 strong group. Was told by one of the lunch organizers that the group is representative of Florida electorate, which I will take it with a pinch of salt, but I think FL is a no go for Bernie unfortunately. Not sure if he can come out strongly against Castro to bring these South American voting bloc back to him.
South Florida Cubans don’t represent all of Florida. Can’t speak on all Colombians but the few I knew were super religious and evangelized.
 
fox wouldn't want to boost bernie among their viewership

Reminds me of that clip of the two Fox News presenters talking about socialism.

Paraphrasing:

“Socialism just gives people free healthcare, great wages, free education and improved public infrastructure, who’s going to sign up for that? I just don’t get it”

“Err... I think that probably sounds quite attractive when you put it like that to our viewers”
 
feck Florida.
Midwest is a nicer place to live.
You don’t feck off 29 Electoral Votes if you want to win.

Even if it’s futile, he must compete there regardless, Florida is tough but it’s inelastic, Dems will turn out for Dems and GOP will turn out for GOP, and margin will always be close.
 
You don’t feck off 29 Electoral Votes if you want to win.

Even if it’s futile, he must compete there regardless, Florida is tough but it’s inelastic, Dems will turn out for Dems and GOP will turn out for GOP, and margin will always be close.

scarce resources, better spent in nc, arizona, ohio, iowa.
 
Sanders can afford to ditch FL since he will almost certainly get a massive windfall of delegates by crushing it in CA and also a good number from TX and NY.
 
Sanders can afford to ditch FL since he will almost certainly get a massive windfall of delegates by crushing it in CA and also a good number from TX and NY.
True. But I think posters here are talking from the pov of the general election.
 
OH was like -12, FL is -1.2% last time around and the 2018 Senate race went to recount. I think there’s still an outside chance.

hmm, polling contradicts my gut sense here. (RCP averages)
NC average is +1 (5 polls, 4 wins). definitely deserves resources.
AZ -5 (all trump). close to a write-off.
Ohio 2 polls from last sept/oct, +6 and -1. needs more recent data, but interesting.
Iowa -6 (all trump). write off, especially in conjunction with low dem turnout.
Florida +0.3 (3 polls - tie, +6, -5 - a real range!).


I just can't imagine Bernie winning Florida, even in 2016.
 
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