If Sanders were to win all 3, he would not need to target Ohio or Florida as they would be irrelevant at that point. The issue is that I would bet a lot of money that Sanders doesn't come close in AZ due to the demographics not being in his favor (white or young liberals, not a lot of blue collar voters like in the Midwest); in that event, he would need to swing one of WI, OH, or FL.
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If Sanders were to win all 3, he would not need to target Ohio or Florida as they would be irrelevant at that point. The issue is that I would bet a lot of money that Sanders doesn't come close in AZ due to the demographics not being in his favor (white or young liberals, not a lot of blue collar voters like in the Midwest); in that event, he would need to swing one of WI, OH, or FL.
He's very popular among hispanics, at least.
You merely invented that indicator as no one here is saying that, maybe except for RD. Trump is President and he did it by virtually every unorthodox method compared to latter 20th century politics. That's the first point. The second point is that millennials are now grown with an increasing zoomer electorate who are more progressive and vocal in the process than previous generations. In a post-Trump world, nothing will be the same again. The DNC fails to recognize that which is why their little tricks aren't working as intended.
Rotating the court is a great idea but I also don't see how that passes, even with mass demonstrations. We'll do well getting healthcare and tuition free college + a bigger step in improving climate change.
LBJ deserves his fair share of credit, I'll give you that. But you can't disregard the pro Civil Rights protests because it had major impacts. I suppose his supporting of Civil Rights helped him with his Vietnam bullshit? You know more about that than I as I'm not that well versed in LBJ.
Sanders just dropped some harsh words on Putin. 
I had a feeling they'd be messing about in Bernie's campaign. If I'm not mistaken, they were doing so in 2016.
What are you on about? the only reason they somehow managed to survive until now is because they are all white. I don't see any other reason why someone who is polling at fecking zero percent with black people is still in this race. While every other black, latino candidate dropped out months ago. The notion that they are "in it to win" is a joke and you know it. If the same standards were to apply to white candidates, Klobuchar, and Pete should have dropped out ages ago.
Imagine a Trump voter seeing this and going, "Yep he's sure got a point there. I will denounce Trump and vote Democrat!"
Another reason why billionaires shouldn't exist. A mutli millionaire would have thought about it more clearly.
I'm not convinced that enough Hispanics are there to vote in AZ to put Bernie over the line, yet. Maybe if it was 2024. Then again, I don't know if there is actual data out there on that.
Just goes to show you how power hungry they are as opposed to being in it for the better good.
Arizona is a border state. How could there not be loads of Hispanics? Genuine question.
There are a ton of Hispanics; the challenge is that many can't vote as they either are undocumented or are not citizens. Therefore, we basically are waiting for their children, born in the US, to mature to voting age in big enough numbers to swing the voting trends. Once that happens, AZ will be solid blue for sure.
All of these candidates have had millions of people donate to their campaigns and had untold amount of people volunteer their time to help each candidate leading up to the events from Iowa to Super Tuesday. Therefore there is no rational basis for them to drop out before the events they have been working towards, which are so close. Staying in also buys them leverage to shape the party's agenda at the convention, as well as position themselves as potential VPs. So it would be pretty nonsensical for someone like Warren to bow out before Super Tuesday, which is only 11 days away.
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Understandable, but how does that explain New Mexico? It's consistently blue, isn't it?
The trouble with AZ is progressives haven't had much luck there. They ran one for Gov in 2018 and he got hammered. The Dems who do well are centrists like Sinema and Kelly.
Actually like this one, even the cheating at golf would make Trump blow as gasket.
Evangelicals and Mormons populate AZ in large numbers and consistently vote red. Don't think you see the same number of those groups in NM.
I didn't even know that. Makes sense. Weird for Mormons to be for Republicans since their model is to help their church members financially as much as possible if I remember correctly
I think this logic is basically word salad and nothing more. Dropping out and endorsing a candidate is also a viable strategy if you're vying for a VP position. Instead of bleeding money for no reason whatsoever and hurting others in the race. I also think it is pretty telling on how you/voters view attributes such as who deserves to hang on and who doesn't. Like most of these discussions, it is rooted in racial bias and has very little to do with how good a candidate is actually polling.
Never heard of that but if true, that's the only way they are progressive in all honesty. Nice people but fairly backwards in their societal views, even relative to Evangelicals.
It also goes to show how biased voters are when it comes to choosing candidates and how much leeway they give them when they deserve it the least.
Unfortunate timing for Sanders, regarding this Russia news.
In Warren's case, she is polling fourth so it would make sense for her to see things out until Super Tuesday. If someone is polling at below 5%, then yes, the difference between bowing out now and 11 days from now would be negligible.
Its also an opportunity for him too show everyone how one should respond to something like this, in contrast to Trump who is predictably in denial.
Trump wasn't in denial, he was actively encouraging them. On the campaign!
And you mentioned that he had some harsh words for Putin too.
Bernie team is melting peoples brains.
This is nonsense. I hate the smarmy fecker but he's currently second in the race (#of delegates) - why the feck should he drop out, because polls said so?
It's actually a good thing the centrists are still campaigning for Super Tuesday because they'll just split the votes. They can drop out afterward.
So basically Bernie doesn't pander to the identity politics cartel. What's not to love about that.
You're right. The world needs Pete to hang on.
Millennials also don't bother to vote.
In any case, Trump has not been an apocalyptic change of the system. 40+ states would go in the same direction they went in the last election, or the one before that, or the one before that.
I don't want to be sun tzu and bet, but come on, let's be serious. There is 0.something chance that Bernie is gonna be a two-term president, while at the same time during his second spell, Dems will control both the House and the Senate.
Rotating the court is a great idea. Choosing judges not based on party lines is a great idea. Neither of them has a chance of happening in the US. As I said as things stand, rotating the court is either unconstitutional or will at the vert best case go before the Supreme Court (not hard to guess what are they going to decide). So you need to make an amendment, which would require all Democrat states, and 14 Republican states to vote for. Nope, not going to happen.
The idea was sent there from Red Dreams just a couple of posts before mine. A lot of Bernie fans are living in some dreamworld, where rules do not exist, and think that their wishes are reality.
He actually is number 1 in the delegate tally.
Millennials will bother to vote for Bernie. Not anyone else. Generation Z are also very active in relation to the older generations and they will come out for Bernie, the ones of age that is.
The reason why I said Trump signaled a major change is because he is the most unorthodox candidate in modern history. Look at his campaign style. It was insane to rational people and he whooped Hillary's ass in terms of delegates go. Also consider how openly corrupt he's been since he took office and no one could barely lay a finger on him. And that fact that he's normalizing all of this bad behavior. Oh yes, it is a new world.
That's debatable. The only reason that he couldn't be a two term president is because of his age.What you're saying sounds like stuff the MSM would say and they've been proven wrong again and again. We'll just have to wait and see. You just don't know what's going to happen.
I already agreed with you about rotating the court.
I am not saying that he cannot be a two-term president. I am saying that he won't be a two-term president, while Democrats to hold both the Senate and the House during the second term.
Simply, because the last time this happened was during Truman's presidency. Since then, there has not been a unified government during the second term of a president (but quite often there has been during the first term). Which is why I think that the best chance for radical changes would be during his first term, not during his second.
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