This is a big thing for me. I find it bizarre here how often you can guess from one person’s view on one topic what their view is on one entirely unrelated. I’m not sure it’s healthy-this either/or culture doesn’t really lead to independent thought or nuance in my opinion.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Mumbling brain drain Biden killing it with his debate performances.
The other Democrats need to attack that myth in subsequent debates about this so called "electability".
Was Jeb Bush ever a favorite in the race until Trump Trumped?
The difference I think is that the Republican base doesn't care about ''electability'', they care about changing the United States. Plus Trump was the ultimate cultural republican candidate, he hits all their ''cultural war'' spots(Awful mental image I know). I think worryingly Biden does the same for the Democratic base, more than healthcare, a living wage, green new deal etc. They just want Obama back and Biden gives them that.
And all this comes down to the age gap, I can't remember what poll it was but for under 45's policy beats electability and anyone over 45 electability beats policy.
It wouldn't be so bad if Biden(like Clinton)wasn't a god awful candidate.
I'm not even thinking about those who genuinely prefer Biden. It's the pussies who are going for Biden because of his perceived electability that need to be convinced otherwise.
Couldn't the nostalgia for the Obama years play into Biden perceived electability ? Biden is doing a great job at showing people why he isn't electable(The guy can barely string a sentence together) but it's not really hurting him, sadly.
Its definitely hurt him. He's dropped from where he was in the polls when he announced, Buttigieg is collecting a lot of donations from wealthy donors and the betting markets have Warren and Harris very close to Biden which means people aren't exactly betting on Biden in great numbers as his polling would indicate.
I recall Bush sort of being the initial favourite, but he wasn't polling out in front as consistently as Biden and his star was already fading by this point.
I'd say that's, if anything, the primary facet of his supposed electability right now, perceived or otherwise. For Dems who like Obama he's as a result intricately associated with the pre-Trump "good times" and so is benefiting as a result.
For what it's worth in a GE I think he'd stand a better chance of winning than Hilary and he'd probably become President, but where some of the centre-leaning candidates seem to at least understand the shift to the left even if they don't like it, Biden just seems utterly disconnected and oblivious to a lot of the problems facing the country right now. And so his Presidency would probably be quite dangerous insofar as it'd be a masterclass in unwarranted good faith being shown to Republicans with ignorance shown to the left and a lot of their central concerns.
Biden's entire argument for his candidacy is based on his Vice-Presidency, and the fact that Obama has only gotten more popular since 2016; Trump is the ultimate foil. Whenever older stuff comes up it's almost invariably a negative for Biden (like the bussing incident).
guys i think joe bidens brain is dying
olds 
bernies brain still works though
Bernie explains it simply and with such sincerity.
It would be criminal if he were not the Democratic Nominee.
Health Care. Those who are not for Single Payer/Medicare For All, take money from Insurance Companies and Pharmaceuticals so millions are allowed to die because they cannot afford to pay.
This is committing murder for money.
And these people are better than Trump?
They have no place in Afghanistan either you imperialist goon.
He literally joined the military to put it on his resume. I hate this motherfecker so much. At least Kamala Harris is just a soulless ladder climber. This guy was created in a lab to run for office. He had a Harvard degree and a six figure job that he left to go pose for pictures in Afghanistan in 2009 for fecks sake. Just one of the slimiest people on the planet.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bulletpoint-is-electability-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy/
Thought this was interesting, regarding Biden's electability
Thought this was interesting, regarding Biden's electability
Also is he really a combat veteran ? Was he actually fired at?
He's hamming it up for sure but he probably just qualifies to use that term. I'd guess he probably has been shot at even if this sounds a little silly:
"he also worked as an armed driver for his commander on over 100 trips into Kabul. Buttigieg has jokingly called this role "military Uber", because he had to watch out for ambushes and explosive devices along the roads and make sure the vehicle was guarded.
Anyone stationed in a combat zone (ie. a war zone) is technically a combat vet. Tulsi also uses this to big up her military service. She talks like she was a Marine engaged in infantry battle in Fallujah, when she was an Army medic who probably never left her base.
Oh right didn't know that.
The Pre Obama time Biden is god awful.
I'm still of two minds on what his chances at winning are like, he will offer nothing to the electorate just like Clinton but just by simply being a man he could have a better chance then Hilary ever did.
Agree that his presidency could very be dangerous, the worry I have is that it will be similar to the Obama years in that it doesn't get rid of the right wing elements from the past Republican presidency. In fact it will normalise them.
Good thread here
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To be fair to her, even if she never left her base, her base was Balad so even if you never left that base you were under mortar fire constantly
Or we like his policies?
I think your kind are not the majority of his support. Far more people are likely partial to him because of the Obama connection and they're not looking any further than that.
We're talking about an electorate that had many people who thought Obama was going to lower gas prices for everyone, by the way.
I'm pretty sure she has a medal only given to people who were fired on and indeed she was stationed somewhere that was attacked regularly with morters
That said I'm sure she amplifies it for effect... She is after all a politician
Virtually every base in Iraq was regularly attacked so I’m not entirely sure why her situation would be viewed as any different than the others. She is definitely overplaying her service for effect and it will probably catch up with her if she ever gains any traction as a VP option.
I don't get this hate for Tulsi.
Its not her fault she comes from a Conservative Hindu Family and she has apologized for her early position on LGBT.
She has since worked hard for the community. The Human Rights Campaign has endorsed her.
The real issue here fanned by the 'Corporate Liberal' media stems from her early endorsement of Bernie in 2016.
Because she was not for the turkey Hillary, the DNC's anointed one, they defunded her 2016 run, which she still won.
So she went to see Assad.
The point is she is a person of conviction and has shown courage in standing by her views and has explained them.
Importantly she is for Medicare For All like Bernie and Warren.
But a psychopath like Harris who will do anything for her political ambitions gets a pass.
She is one of three people I would have no problem voting for.
Also all the talk about looks is distracting. She is pretty enough. Its her courage that we can agree on.
How is her being a medic in a war zone not to her credit?
Its not her fault she comes from a Conservative Hindu Family and she has apologized for her early position on LGBT.
She has since worked hard for the community. The Human Rights Campaign has endorsed her.
The real issue here fanned by the 'Corporate Liberal' media stems from her early endorsement of Bernie in 2016.
Because she was not for the turkey Hillary, the DNC's anointed one, they defunded her 2016 run, which she still won.
So she went to see Assad.
The point is she is a person of conviction and has shown courage in standing by her views and has explained them.
Importantly she is for Medicare For All like Bernie and Warren.
But a psychopath like Harris who will do anything for her political ambitions gets a pass.
She is one of three people I would have no problem voting for.
Also all the talk about looks is distracting. She is pretty enough. Its her courage that we can agree on.
How is her being a medic in a war zone not to her credit?
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What @Raoul said applies here about deployment to a war zone... that said, if he was driving that much up and down roads in Afghanistan, he was definitely exposed to danger.
If you serve in the forces, you deserve credit. Same as for McCain.
That's it for me.
I am more interested in what these people do when they run for office.
That's it for me.
I am more interested in what these people do when they run for office.
If memory serves her base was the most attacked... Certainly one of
Frankly she would be a shit politician if she didn't overplay that card so I find it hard to find fault with that
Frankly i think its far easier to admire a medic than a soldier. It should be, shouldn't it?
Impressive shifting of the goalposts going on here: “She never left her base” (a guess) -But her base was attacked a lot- “her base wasn’t attacked that much.” -ah. But it was. Not all bases are attacked to the same degree, there’s a reason Balad had the reputation it did long before it was brought up in this thread
Is being a medic rather than shooting people really a criticism...? It should really be more admirable imo. Even if you disagree that it is I know a lot of soldiers who would disagree that someone is “just” a medic.
There are enough valid criticisms to make of Gabbard without replacing facts with subjective POVs and constantly shifting the goalposts
Lastly, “you exaggerate your service” isn’t much or smear were she VP (she won’t be) when (a) no real evidence of her lying about that has been put forth and (b) one could just say “I actually served unlike President Bone Spur” in response
Is being a medic rather than shooting people really a criticism...? It should really be more admirable imo. Even if you disagree that it is I know a lot of soldiers who would disagree that someone is “just” a medic.
There are enough valid criticisms to make of Gabbard without replacing facts with subjective POVs and constantly shifting the goalposts
Lastly, “you exaggerate your service” isn’t much or smear were she VP (she won’t be) when (a) no real evidence of her lying about that has been put forth and (b) one could just say “I actually served unlike President Bone Spur” in response
Impressive shifting of the goalposts going on here: “She never left her base” (a guess) -But her base was attacked a lot- “her base wasn’t attacked that much.” -ah. But it was. Not all bases are attacked to the same degree, there’s a reason Balad had the reputation it did long before it was brought up in this thread
Is being a medic rather than shooting people really a criticism...? It should really be more admirable imo. Even if you disagree that it is I know a lot of soldiers who would disagree that someone is “just” a medic.
There are enough valid criticisms to make of Gabbard without replacing facts with subjective POVs and constantly shifting the goalposts
Lastly, “you exaggerate your service” isn’t much or smear were she VP (she won’t be) when (a) no real evidence of her lying about that has been put forth and (b) one could just say “I actually served unlike President Bone Spur” in response
There's nothing wrong with being a medic. She is however misrepresenting herself to be more than she was. I was in country for nearly five years and was on most bases including Balad. Nearly every base got pummeled on a regular basis by insurgents - AQI in north of Baghdad and JAM/BADR/Asai'b al-Haq in the south. So anyone who was in any of these areas would be treated to regular occurrences from rockets to mortars to VBIEDs to small arms fire. It was just par for the course of dealing with many insurgencies who were competing against both the US as well as one another.
She also claims that her low level medical tour on behalf of a Hawaiian Guard Unit makes her some sort of a foreign policy expert, which is of course laughable. This sort of thing may appeal to her millennial fanboys like Kyle Kulinkski (and those who follow him) but it won't fly in a Gen election setting.
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I thought Rogan was the ideal format for him to speak at length. The YouTube channel has nearly 6m subscribers and who knows how many more non-subscribers who will watch this, which is just below what the nightly news shows average throughout the week. So in essence, Bernie is getting a 3 hour block to reach nearly as many people as the nightly news shows reach. Brilliant stuff.
We got detailed information on different subjects.
Whether you agree with Bernie or not, he has explained his positions.
Yes. Rogan did a nice job.
The Bernie podcast is an hour long
But yeah, I think Rogan did a good job. Spoke at the right time and questioned Bernie at the right times. And let him speak at the right times too
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