2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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I’m afraid I don’t know mate.
Nah, he’s just an old. They usually forget things often.
He is unfit for the office he is running for.
This is the joke the MSM are pushing.
Dam commie propaganda!
There's also a video of him missing a ton of shots as well(The first in the video I posted cuts away because he misses).
Name of the track ?
It's Common not Mos Def
We need to consider the fact that many people who hardly ever voted, voted for Trump last cycle.
There will be even more such people in 2020 who like his racism.
Greater enthusiasm against a possible lame candidate spouting the same crap. Doing nothing but saying Trump is bad.
Its gonna be interesting.
There will be even more such people in 2020 who like his racism.
Greater enthusiasm against a possible lame candidate spouting the same crap. Doing nothing but saying Trump is bad.
Its gonna be interesting.
There will be even more people who haven't voted in 2016, but will vote in 2020 because they hate Trump so much. Trump also lost support in the midwest and among farmers because a significant amount of them realized he was full of shit. There's also enough suggestions out there that independent and swing voters dislike Trump more than they like him.
I don't think that is the key to understanding how Trump won and what their strategy is. People that fall back on racism are not getting the full picture.
The real key to this chart are not the White Voters in the distracting headline
29% of Asians and Hispanic went for Trump
37% of Other race went for Trump
and even 8% of the Black vote went to Trump
These are not people voting for Trump because of racism they are voting for Trump despite racism.
That is a key distinction I think the mainstream media and the centrist/moderate/corporate Dem crowd seems to be completely missing and unless the Dems figure this out and refocus they are going to get their asses kicked like 2004.
The key demographics that are swinging the election are NOT voting for Trump because racism but rather are ignoring that aspect. The question the Dems need to be asking is not "How can we stop the racism" its "Why are these conservative minority individuals completely ignoring his racism and voting for him anyway". The latter question is the one that is going to yield potentially meaningful information to devise a winning strategy. Focusing on "Trump is a racist" is just going to be a moronic losing strategy.
And it should be damn obvious by now that Biden is incapable of articulating the type of counterpoints the Dems need to win.
While I generally agree with your point, Asians (the older ones especially) have definitely got racism in their blood. Having an immigrant Asian mother, I can confirm this.I don't think that is the key to understanding how Trump won and what their strategy is. People that fall back on racism are not getting the full picture.
The real key to this chart are not the White Voters in the distracting headline
29% of Asians and Hispanic went for Trump
37% of Other race went for Trump
and even 8% of the Black vote went to Trump
These are not people voting for Trump because of racism they are voting for Trump despite racism.
That is a key distinction I think the mainstream media and the centrist/moderate/corporate Dem crowd seems to be completely missing and unless the Dems figure this out and refocus they are going to get their asses kicked like 2004.
The key demographics that are swinging the election are NOT voting for Trump because racism but rather are ignoring that aspect. The question the Dems need to be asking is not "How can we stop the racism" its "Why are these conservative minority individuals completely ignoring his racism and voting for him anyway". The latter question is the one that is going to yield potentially meaningful information to devise a winning strategy. Focusing on "Trump is a racist" is just going to be a moronic losing strategy.
And it should be damn obvious by now that Biden is incapable of articulating the type of counterpoints the Dems need to win.
I don't think that is the key to understanding how Trump won and what their strategy is. People that fall back on racism are not getting the full picture.
The real key to this chart are not the White Voters in the distracting headline
29% of Asians and Hispanic went for Trump
37% of Other race went for Trump
and even 8% of the Black vote went to Trump
These are not people voting for Trump because of racism they are voting for Trump despite racism.
That is a key distinction I think the mainstream media and the centrist/moderate/corporate Dem crowd seems to be completely missing and unless the Dems figure this out and refocus they are going to get their asses kicked like 2004.
The key demographics that are swinging the election are NOT voting for Trump because racism but rather are ignoring that aspect. The question the Dems need to be asking is not "How can we stop the racism" its "Why are these conservative minority individuals completely ignoring his racism and voting for him anyway". The latter question is the one that is going to yield potentially meaningful information to devise a winning strategy. Focusing on "Trump is a racist" is just going to be a moronic losing strategy.
And it should be damn obvious by now that Biden is incapable of articulating the type of counterpoints the Dems need to win.
I believe the enthusiasm will be high because of racism.
But for those voting for him despite the fact he is a racist, do so because the corporate candidate does not offer anything.
The lack of enthusiasm on the Democrats side is what will cause them to lose.
Biden is a joke of a candidate.
But its not the same racism as Trump. The fact that there are some Han Chinese that look down on Mongols, Jurchen, Khitan and Manchu or that Koreans and Japanese have long demonized the other as the other isn't going to predispose them to vote for Trump because he is white is my point.
In the past year or two I have talked to immigrants from Asia (Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean), Latin America (Mexico, Central and South) and Other (Saudis, Lebanese, Israelis, Nigerians, South Africans) and when the topic of Trump rhetoric is brought up almost every single one out of over a hundred all default to the exact same Law and Order Frame. It's not racism for the conservative immigrants that causes them to accept the anti-immigration frame its always a variation of the law and order primacy:
"I/My family immigrated the right way, legally, and I believe every illegal immigrant should have to do things the way I/My family did them, legally"
^ That is the frame I have heard from every single minority immigrant voter for Trump
Its not "I like white supremicist Trump because I am a Han supremicist" you see what I mean?
How Trump won is a helluva lot more nuanced than "racism" and failing to realize that isn't going to win.
Sooo true. Except in my mom's case, her version of working hard to become an American citizen was literally by marrying a white guy from the military, which happened to have a base in her town.
The irony is that she gets frustrated when she runs into walls and roadblocks when trying to get other family members to immigrate here due to the extra restrictions by people like Trump.
Even more ironic that these extra restrictions prevent one of my cousins immigrating over to be a kidney donor for me.
But I'm curious, have you ever brought up the topic of reforming immigration laws to these people so it can be easier to immigrate legally? And if so, what was their response?
I like Elizabeth Warren but I feel like it’s going to be Biden despite him having no plan other than the fact he was previously VP.
Nail on the head.
But I believe there is an idea among some Asian immigrants who have achieved prosperity, that Blacks and Hispanics are simply lazy. These people are libertarians.
Completely varies. Some I think it might have made them think about things but others I got a distinct impression they'd be happy making it much harder to immigrate because that makes them feel more exclusive - not that they ever said specifically that but that was the impression I or friends got after hearing multiple comments (like "if we ever want to have national health care we have to lock down the border").
That's the impression I get too. It's infuriating.
True though its not limited to that. I've heard Japanese say their parents think Koreans are "inherently lazy" and then a Korean say his parents think the same of Japanese. The one positive is that from my experience its usually the kids saying that about their parents rather than the younger generation itself reflecting those views so I think there is an element of cultural inertia (parents raised in strict conservative views but their children tend to become more progressive if they are raised in cosmopolitan cities and exposed to many other cultures - or even raised in a strict culture but just getting sick of it).
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Thanks.
I know an Indian who usually votes Republican because the Republicans are open to having jobs that can be done by Americans being done by Indians.
He has a business where he uses people from India to do a lot of the artwork. Only this last time I believe he voted for Clinton.
I too have experience working as a consultant where I have got in touch with an accounting department on the other end where clearly they were from India.
I believe the company that hires them are exploiting a loophole in work permit visas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/15/opinion/workers-betrayed-by-visa-loopholes.html
https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-20150222-column.html#page=1
If you have gone on cruises you will meet workers who are from Europe. Many from UK and Ireland too.
Last night I had a guy with a Hispanic mother tell me that that’s how she thinks of things.
Somebody call the epic police
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-climate-debate-resolution_n_5d4d8711e4b0066eb710e504
DNC Chair’s Latest Resolution Could Torpedo Climate Debate Push, Activists Fear
The resolution praises the unofficial climate forums MSNBC and CNN promised to host, but makes no mention of an official DNC debate.
Still think the Dems are serious about Climate Change?
How could they be when they take money from the Fossil Fuel Industry.
But hey, they are better than Trump right?
“This is a move by Tom Perez to try to kill climate debates ahead of the convention,” said Stephen O’Hanlon, a spokesman for the youth-led Sunrise Movement, which is pushing for a climate debate. “He knows that the base and nearly all presidential candidates support a climate debate. The only way he can stop this is through insider game tactics.”
R.L. Miller, Democratic activist and president of the political action committee Climate Hawks Vote, said the resolution an attempt to “go backwards” and “treat the climate debate as nothing more than pretty words.”
“The key to reading a resolution is to ignore all the ‘whereas’ clauses as nothing more than pretty words and read only the ‘therefore’ clause,” Miller said. “What he’s done is relegated the climate debate issue to a ‘whereas’ clause to downplay it.”
DNC Chair’s Latest Resolution Could Torpedo Climate Debate Push, Activists Fear
The resolution praises the unofficial climate forums MSNBC and CNN promised to host, but makes no mention of an official DNC debate.
Still think the Dems are serious about Climate Change?
How could they be when they take money from the Fossil Fuel Industry.
But hey, they are better than Trump right?
“This is a move by Tom Perez to try to kill climate debates ahead of the convention,” said Stephen O’Hanlon, a spokesman for the youth-led Sunrise Movement, which is pushing for a climate debate. “He knows that the base and nearly all presidential candidates support a climate debate. The only way he can stop this is through insider game tactics.”
R.L. Miller, Democratic activist and president of the political action committee Climate Hawks Vote, said the resolution an attempt to “go backwards” and “treat the climate debate as nothing more than pretty words.”
“The key to reading a resolution is to ignore all the ‘whereas’ clauses as nothing more than pretty words and read only the ‘therefore’ clause,” Miller said. “What he’s done is relegated the climate debate issue to a ‘whereas’ clause to downplay it.”
Sick burn
Asians voting for Trump are majorly voting for low taxes and they would run away from Sanders anyway. No amount of articulation is going to cut it IMHO. fecking cnuts like Dinesh D'Souza are unsalvagable.
I don't think that is the key to understanding how Trump won and what their strategy is. People that fall back on racism are not getting the full picture.
The real key to this chart are not the White Voters in the distracting headline
29% of Asians and Hispanic went for Trump
37% of Other race went for Trump
and even 8% of the Black vote went to Trump
These are not people voting for Trump because of racism they are voting for Trump despite racism.
That is a key distinction I think the mainstream media and the centrist/moderate/corporate Dem crowd seems to be completely missing and unless the Dems figure this out and refocus they are going to get their asses kicked like 2004.
The key demographics that are swinging the election are NOT voting for Trump because racism but rather are ignoring that aspect. The question the Dems need to be asking is not "How can we stop the racism" its "Why are these conservative minority individuals completely ignoring his racism and voting for him anyway". The latter question is the one that is going to yield potentially meaningful information to devise a winning strategy. Focusing on "Trump is a racist" is just going to be a moronic losing strategy.
And it should be damn obvious by now that Biden is incapable of articulating the type of counterpoints the Dems need to win.
I can't imagine all of them would vote for him again after what's been going on lately. In 15/16 he still had a bit of residual luster from the Apprentice and a few decades of being a rich guy people aspired to be like from the previous 2-3 decades. This next time, he will be largely running on everything that happened from 2016 onwards, which is going to be a completely different animal.
Trump's 'invasion' speech being quoted verbatim by the shooter will resonate with Hispanics I'm sure.
He will lose a lot of non white votes this time round.
He will lose a lot of non white votes this time round.
But let’s keep the current healthcare system in place...
Feck...
...and Joe Biden whom the liberal media loves still pushes Republican talking points on Medicare For All.
Just saw this and pretty good points. I don't agree with everything but once again reinforces the point about how stupid these "debates". You need proper time to explain something.
Most people see through it now but some people still get excited over those cheap reality tv style shots that Tulsi Gabbard or Gillibard took. It's sad.
Calmly reading out statistics in relation to Harris’ record while AG is not a cheap reality tv style shot. It is exactly what should happen in a debate. There’s a huge difference between Gabbard v Harris and Gillibrand v Biden. Anyone with a working brain (so, probably not Joe Biden) can see they’re incomparable. Statistics grounded in fact v “wElL eItHeR yOu DiDn’T mEaN iT oR...”
Its important to remember Harris did not deny what Tulsi said which was highly damnable.
The debate format is still very poor regardless of what Tulsi brought up.
Woooooooops
The bit about taxing HFTs at around 30 minutes is long overdue. Surprised more people aren't talking about it as its a potential goldmine to pay for progressive policies like healthcare and education.
They are not talking , because they are probably busy shitting themselves by the thought.
I mean other Dem candidates. It's an easy win for any Dem to push this (unless of course you're a total muppet like Delaney et al).
Also , the 'speculation' tax. If he gets the nomination, the street will raise hell. "Our way of life", etc.
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