2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Wow did I just hear a CNN commentator saying Booker won the debate?
 
Wow did I just hear a CNN commentator saying Booker won the debate?
He came off well, actually. Nobody ‘won’ except Tulsi if you ignore the lulls between her highlights where she appeared to lack charisma.

There were definite losers though...
 
He came off well, actually. Nobody ‘won’ except Tulsi if you ignore the lulls between her highlights where she appeared to lack charisma.

There were definite losers though...

I thought most of the time he was just saying empty stuff, I didn't like it.
 
The MSM will spin it all.

Though Biden did not get hurt too bad, he has a lot of baggage. If he gets the nomination, he will beat Trump.
As will Bernie and Warren.


Biden will walk it easy . I don't know why people are getting worked up about this as its not even a contest .

It's going to be Trump vs Biden
 
What would the tone of these debates be if Bernie didn’t run in 2016? People wouldn’t even be pretending to support Medicare for all
 
Hitjobs like this are disgraceful. The only person who can destroy Biden in a debate is Warren because her criticisms are valid and on point. Not twisting and stirring shit up.

 
Hitjobs like this are disgraceful. The only person who can destroy Biden in a debate is Warren because her criticisms are valid and on point. Not twisting and stirring shit up.



i turned it off before gillebrand talked about this so i dont know exactly what she said but that article sucks and so does biden
 
Hopefully that won’t last. Too mainstream for me.
The country needs someone with fresh ideas and that will commit to providing UHC.
 
Hopefully that won’t last. Too mainstream for me.
The country needs someone with fresh ideas and that will commit to providing UHC.

No it does not. Donald Trump was voted because people thought we needed fresh ideas and a new take. We need to go back to what Obama was building and stay on that track. It may not sound sexy but that's what's needed. We dont need a super progressive idea. Build on that obama foundation then take it from there.
 
Hitjobs like this are disgraceful. The only person who can destroy Biden in a debate is Warren because her criticisms are valid and on point. Not twisting and stirring shit up.



Exactly. Not a big fan of warren and Bernie but they stand for different policies and can criticize Biden fairly all day. Same as De Blasio. He kept Biden in check for the most part.

This cheap shot was such a cringeworthy desperation move.
 
No it does not. Donald Trump was voted because people thought we needed fresh ideas and a new take. We need to go back to what Obama was building and stay on that track. It may not sound sexy but that's what's needed. We dont need a super progressive idea. Build on that obama foundation then take it from there.
No.
Just provide UHC and be done with it. These part measures are bullshit.
 
No it does not. Donald Trump was voted because people thought we needed fresh ideas and a new take. We need to go back to what Obama was building and stay on that track. It may not sound sexy but that's what's needed. We dont need a super progressive idea. Build on that obama foundation then take it from there.
That would make it too easy for Republicans to pull policy in a direction of their liking. Progressive leaders need to put their foot down and fight. Everyone outside of the top 5%, whether they wanted it or not will live a slightly happier stress free life. Not worrying about their job dictating their families healthcare.
Modern infrastructure that will make travel cheaper. Cleaner environment and healthier food. Proper family leave and mandatory vacation.
The richest of the rich will see a zero or two removed from their net worth but will see an increase in commerce and a more content work force which will in turn translate in to more production and profit not based on greed.
Progressive policies will also strengthen the safety net if automation continues to replace huge swathes of retail, manufacturing and service industries.
And dont worry about conservatives or the super rich, they will always find something to piss their pants over but it's about fecking time we got some things that we want. Healthy and safe families, value for our money and no more greed/corruption or war.
 
Donald Trump is going to win the election if they put Biden on the Democratic Party ticket. Trump will run rings around him and make it into a circus and Biden would not know what the hell is happening.
 
Donald Trump is going to win the election if they put Biden on the Democratic Party ticket. Trump will run rings around him and make it into a circus and Biden would not know what the hell is happening.
Not really. All a Dem needs to do is win a couple states, and Biden already has one (Pennsylvania) locked down.
 
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Donald Trump is going to win the election if they put Biden on the Democratic Party ticket. Trump will run rings around him and make it into a circus and Biden would not know what the hell is happening.

I disagree.

If Biden gets the nomination, in a debate with Trump he will focus on being the adult in the room. Calmly speaking, not in a rush. The reason why I think he has come across a fumbler so far in the dem primaries is he is being hit by his own side and on issues he doesn't have the time to explain the history or context of. When he rushes to cram in things he is stuttering but when he takes it easy it's fine.

EDIT: Yesterday Harris and De Blasio constantly kept bringing their points back to him to get a jab in. He held them off. Inslee got a jab in on climate, Booker got a jab in...but generally he defended himself and got a few in himself. Gilibrand self owned taking him on. The point is he is under fire from all of them. If he gets the nomination it is 1v1. Hillary was better in the debates vs Trump but he tried to act like a bully. Biden won't let himself be bullied.
 
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I disagree.

If Biden gets the nomination, in a debate with Trump he will focus on being the adult in the room.


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I disagree.

If Biden gets the nomination, in a debate with Trump he will focus on being the adult in the room.
Calmly speaking, not in a rush. The reason why I think he has come across a fumbler so far in the dem primaries is he is being hit by his own side and on issues he doesn't have the time to explain the history or context of. When he rushes to cram in things he is stuttering but when he takes it easy it's fine.

EDIT: Yesterday Harris and De Blasio constantly kept bringing their points back to him to get a jab in. He held them off. Inslee got a jab in on climate, Booker got a jab in...but generally he defended himself and got a few in himself. Gilibrand self owned taking him on. The point is he is under fire from all of them. If he gets the nomination it is 1v1. Hillary was better in the debates vs Trump but he tried to act like a bully. Biden won't let himself be bullied.


Biden can't talk for 60 seconds off script without stumbling over his words and sounding underprepared. Trump would absolutely annihilate him in a debate based on yesterday and his June performances. Biden is past it. I know the corporate media is going to prop him up until his drop occurs but I can't see how anyone could have watched his 5 hours of debates so far and concluded he is up for it.

I don't think it gets that far myself. I think the difference in intelligence between Warren and him is going to become very clear when they are finally on the same stage together. I really don't think Biden has it in him to finish this primary after seeing him. He's already like a second term Reagan
 
Biden can't talk for 60 seconds off script without stumbling over his words and sounding underprepared. Trump would absolutely annihilate him in a debate based on yesterday and his June performances. Biden is past it. I know the corporate media is going to prop him up until his drop occurs but I can't see how anyone could have watched his 5 hours of debates so far and concluded he is up for it.

I don't think it gets that far myself. I think the difference in intelligence between Warren and him is going to become very clear when they are finally on the same stage together. I really don't think Biden has it in him to finish this primary after seeing him. He's already like a second term Reagan

Trump has never won a debate. That's my point. In the 2016 GOP primaries he was flip flopping all over the place as he was ignorant on issues, never a conservative and actually donated to dems and liberal organisations. In the GE Hillary schooled him on the issues and got panned for being "overprepared" whereas Trump's bombastic conduct got the headlines.

Joe Biden can beat Trump in a debate.
 
Clinton won all 3 debates overwhelmingly by both immediate reaction and post debate surveys.

It did feck all. The idea that somehow debates will be the end of Trump is laughable.

What the nominee needs is genuine energy behind him/her and high likability rating, if 2016 taught us anything, it’s that when both candidates have terrible likability, voters go for the one not perceived to be ‘part of the establishment’. Trump won the 18% undecideds by double digits despite having the same unfavorable and slightly lower favourable.
 
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