You don’t think it could get any more batshit, then shit like this happens.Special Counsel Sydney PowellThe US is done.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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He could try to start one, but there’s no chance any military leader will follow him one iota.
From a Parler thread on the illegality of this election, seems we might know this guy...
From my opinion, Obama should go to jail and hang. you can threat me but you will go to jail or gone with Obama eventually.
From my opinion, Obama should go to jail and hang. you can threat me but you will go to jail or gone with Obama eventually.
Sounds like you need to get the new album from Bone Jugs-N-ArmouryI'll get my coat
You are a man of taste, like Nevile Southall.
That's brilliant to be fair. Bravo.
I'll get my coat
The US system of government was designed with strong checks and balances, however it was also designed with the assumption that parties would act in good faith. Trump, and to a lesser extent the poisonous state of the current two party system, have fundamental undermined this assumption.
A lot of the lengths of time stem from being in an analog environment when it came to elections - time was needed to collect & tally votes, time was needed for EC members to travel to DC, etc. A lot of this structure is massively antiquated & somewhat unnecessary in today’s US. We are seeing now how this unnecessary break between election & swearing in could potentially be weaponized towards harming the nation as a whole.
Hopefully absurdity in the election process like this will be examined to create changes in the scheduling & operation of the electoral process. There’s mechanisms in place to change almost everything, almost nothing is sacrosanct, but I question the overall wisdom of my country to be able to make the necessary changes needed to ensure that something similar to this never happens again.
Okay. The next few weeks cannot fly by quickly enough...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...p-hosts-White-House-fanatical-supporters.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...p-hosts-White-House-fanatical-supporters.html
Can Congress and Senate member be impeached or sacked? I just can't understand how this isn't considered a coup attempt at this point. We're witnessing a gang of people looking into any possible way to overturn an election based on mind boggingly crazy claims.
In normal times I assume Trump would probably have been removed from office immediatly under the 25th ammendment, he's clearly not fit to run the country and an actual proven danger to US democracy.
In normal times I assume Trump would probably have been removed from office immediatly under the 25th ammendment, he's clearly not fit to run the country and an actual proven danger to US democracy.
No way that I can recall to remove congresspeople. Recalls can occur within states, but I don’t think such mechanisms exist federally.
I believe you are right. They can be expelled by their chamber, but that's about it.
They can be impeached and removed same way as president, VP and SCOTUSes. Majority on the house and 2/3 in the senate.
What Election Day Revealed About Progressive Policies
What has been lost in all this bullshit from Trump not accepting defeat, COVID, all the hatred from the right to the left and vice versa and election fraud, stimulus payouts, talks of martial law...
People are so obsessed with Trump being removed they are so accepting of Biden despite the fact he's an aging and very flawed man who is just another 4 year extension to a problem rather than the beginning of a progressive fix.
He is not the answer. He is just a continuation of the problem and a temporary band aid over the memory of Trump who in truth will do more than Biden.
Trump for all his faults at least exposed the bullshit and showed everyone what was there in front of them. He owned the corruption and showed how corrupt the system was.
Biden is the system. He is not the answer.
What a crock of shit. The biggest problem under Trump has been an attempt to convert the USA into a neo-fascist state. Had he been given another 4 years Trump might well have succeeded. As it is he has already caused immense damage to the social and political fabric of American society - and to democracy itself.
Biden will at least stop this neo-fascist rot from spreading its tentacles further into the body politic. Right now, that's the most important thing. Any progressive fix cannot even begin to start without this.
In any case, the most progressive thing that's needed in the USA right now is to strengthen all of the pillars of democracy - to ensure that a demagogue like Trump can never again come so close to destroying those pillars.
I agree 100% with all of that, that all needs to be done, but please tell me how Biden will stop or prevent another Trump happening again?
Biden may reverse things back to the way they were before but he won't change them, or stop them happening again. He will have to spend his 4 years reversing everything Trump did and he won't even come close.
More importantly while all this is going on the big picture is being missed. The USA will still not have Universal Health Care. It won't have any serious and effective form of gun control. It won't have free education and I bet it won't have learned a fecking damn thing.
What I promise will happen.
The millionaires will be closer to being billionaires and the billionaires will be much closer to being trillionaires.
And at no point will those pillars of Democracy ever be repaired or actually serve the people (or country) who need them.
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On the 3rd day, the Lord created fascism, and on the 4th day, lo, the electors cast it out!
Exactly. It's nice great to get Trump gone, but with a traditionalist like Biden in place, real change can't be expected - and the US need a lot of it to stop and reverse the ever-increasing inequities and the right's descend into insanity.
I actually think the return of a Trump-type in 2024 is pretty likely. If Biden doesn't have a Senate majority, the Republicans will try and block his every move, proclaim Biden a useless president, express alarm about socialism again - and be in it with a shout just like in November.
You still don't get it. The big picture is the need to stop - and then reverse - the growth of neo-fascism in the USA. Everything else is secondary for the time being..
Biden doesn't have to reverse everything that Trump has done. What he does need to do, as I've said, is to focus on strengthening the pillars of democracy. Amongst other things this means doing what he can to:
* Counter voter-suppression and make voting easier for the maximum number of people.
* Calm the polarisation of society and bring things back to the centre ground at least a little more.
* Appoint federal judges of integrity, including to the Supreme Court if vacancies arise.
* Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting. Ideally, the equivalent of the BBC would be established - independent of both government and commercial advertising.
* Encourage movement away from e-systems in vote-counting - since these are not actually needed and only foster suspicion, whether rightly or wrongly. A fully paper-based system is essential because this provides a physical audit trail.
* Give the FBI full reign to deal with what they have already identified as the biggest domestic terror threat, namely far-right extremists.
* Give the lie - through actions and policies - to all the wild claims of a "communist takeover" and "shutting down churches" as spread by Trumpites.
* Fully expose the involvement of Russia - and its collusion with Trump - in trying to destroy democratic norms.
* Remind the American people what a decent, sane and honourable presidency looks like.
Ideally the Electoral College system would be abolished and replaced by a simple popular vote majority - but I doubt this will be politically possible.
I think I do.
I'm not disagreeing that what you listed isn't important or doesn't need to be fixed, because it is and it does.
You have missed so much. You haven't even mentioned the environment or the Iran nuclear treaty, Universal Health Care, Education or mentioned one single thing that would change things for poor or working class people. The fact you mention the BBC is hilarous. And although everything you mentioned needs to be addressed, it just shows how seriously fecked the USA is.
All that aside you have still missed the bigger picture AND haven't even mentioned COVID. A virus that is taking 9/11 or a Pearl Harbour numbers a day! (3376 today)
Now more than ever before health care should be top of the agenda, but Biden has already shot UHC down. That's not progress, it's a recipe for disaster in the current climate.
We could all list things that would take us back to pre Trump, but that's not fixing a fecking thing. Trump broke and exploited an already corrupted and broken system. Nothing will be fixed if you continue to ignore the root problems or the people who have been ignored.
Yes I'm glad Biden won, but he's a band aid on an open wound when what is required is a tourniquet.
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Fantastic contribution as usual.
About as much as that wall of text deserves.
The most important pillar of democracy is the populace’s trust in institutions. Congress has a 13% rating right now. As long as people aren’t being helped materially by public policies, no amount of window dressing cures will work against demagogues looking to exploit that distrust against the system. Next time, instead of Clodius, it will be Caesar.
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
Encourage and foster public-service broadcasting
I think it's far more likely a Biden presidency leads to another populist candidate like a Trump, than not. As you say, nothing is going to fundamentally change in the day to day lives of the most vulnerable in society. They're going to end up frustrated again, and be very, very susceptible to another Trump. The worry is that the next populist candidate might actually be more competent than Trump, and that is a scary thought.
Really amazes me that people can at the same time hold the opinion that Trump and the Republican party are neo fascists in waiting and that the answer to defeating them is bringing back a cgi Mr Rogers.
Trump type? I have few doubts that Trump itself will go back for the elections on the 2024. He got 74 million votes with full on pandemic and the job market in shambles. After 4 years of Biden not changing anything and the "they stole the election" motto, Trump will be again president of US
Trump isn’t going to be in any fit state in 4 years. His brain is already half pickled.
He wasn't now and he had 74 million votes. His fanbase will go crazy with the his mighty comeback...and he will be the same age as Biden now
People even now still really underestimate his appeal. I have a millennial cousin who was apolitical before and now is full on MAGA, watches Newsmax and OANN and believe hook line and sinker every conspiracy theories they spout (at this moment he believes Republican Senate will intervene on Jan.6 and keep Trump in). If an Australian dude living in one of the most liberal metropolis in the world can be that nutty, I have no doubt the 50%+ of the Republican primary base he’s polling right now will be there for him in 4 years.
That’s true, but with Trump‘s lifestyle he might not even be alive at 78, let alone physically fit to run for office.
Trump is like the Wizard of Oz. Once he's out of office the curtain will be pulled back to fully reveal the puffed-up fantasist that he truly is.
He'll be out of power, out of time and out of luck. There will be no successful comeback. The Dems will win by a landslide if he runs for President again as the Republican nominee.
Where do we go from here?
https://www.businessinsider.com/vid...own-mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-newsmax-2020-12
https://www.businessinsider.com/vid...own-mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-newsmax-2020-12
Hope they're about to get sued out of existence.
They seem apparently adroit enough not to be.
I’m just confused as to where the mental deficients go now that Newsmax will obviously be too leftist & part of the deep state? Surely OANN will do the same thing if they haven’t already. Who then is their trusted news source? This could all happen within days.
They’re all gangster right up until going in front of a judge.
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