The Debates will help people see what each candidate stands for...assuming they don't put them on at some weird times again.
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2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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god these are the worst. trump level tweets but they require one extra layer of irony to be funny.
Where did you hear that?
Does anyone in the world have worse twitter game?
I can't stop looking at his twitter, it's so sad
Anyone exciting you yet, @Eboue?
You are reading Booker's tweets from six years back? Why are you doing this to yourself?
Wow. So Biden is a piece of shit, Beto is a fecking fraud joke piece of shit that doesn't know how to use a chair and Harris is shit too... Booker is even worse than Trump..
Just as I thought, Warren and Bernie are the only real candidates. Yang is talking a great game, just need to see if he can start to raise serious amounts of interest and cash. Maybe he just needs to find his Ying?
Sorry Eboue. Couldn't help that one
Just as I thought, Warren and Bernie are the only real candidates. Yang is talking a great game, just need to see if he can start to raise serious amounts of interest and cash. Maybe he just needs to find his Ying?
Sorry Eboue. Couldn't help that one
warren is fine but its really just gotta be bernie. no one else has the same popularity combined with good policies. just sucks that hes so damn old.
And a hard sell for moderate independents, which is what will determine if we have 4 more years of Trump.
I like Bernie and wish we lived in a world where he could win against the GOP propaganda machine, but I don't see how the maths work.
the math is that he's the most popular politician in the country and he is the best chance to win
How is Rosario Dawson dating that buffoon Cory Booker?!
Going up against the GOP isn't Bernie's problem imo it's getting stitched up by his own party... Again...
Good example of what memes can do.
If it were a popular vote like it should be, sure. When it's going to come down to a few hundred thousand swing voters in FL, OH, PA, WI then I get concerned. The only reason there are more than about 50 GOP folks in the house is that it's not a simple popularity contest, it's an uphill battle against inherent bias in the voting colleges, gerrymandering and voter suppression.
why would you think a less popular politican has a better chance at overcoming that?
Because of where and with whom that candidate is popular. Unless Bern is sweeping key demos in key states, his overall popularity isn't the most important thing.
Maybe Bernie is the answer to the rust belt, but I worry about his ability to move tight races in the south.
he doesnt need the south. this is a pretty reasonable base map. if he does this, all he needs is 1 of Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Virginia, North Carolina. just 1
he doesnt need the south. this is a pretty reasonable base map. if he does this, all he needs is 1 of Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Virginia, North Carolina. just 1
I'd definitely have many omre states for Trump in that map - total of 3+11+8+5+9+16 = 52 EVs which makes it 267-80-222. I'll also be less confident about Iowa, but the signs do look good. Basically I think he takes Virginia and NM (18) from this map, that makes all others including Iowa (-6) irrelevant and he can win through that. No point relying on Florida and NC.
hold my ice cream
The "maths" work better than for Biden who will not turn out the progressive vote and not inspire any of the 95 million that didnt vote in 2016
Wow. So Biden is a piece of shit, Beto is a fecking fraud joke piece of shit that doesn't know how to use a chair and Harris is shit too... Booker is even worse than Trump..
Just as I thought, Warren and Bernie are the only real candidates. Yang is talking a great game, just need to see if he can start to raise serious amounts of interest and cash. Maybe he just needs to find his Ying?
Sorry Eboue. Couldn't help that one
you didn't laugh at my Elizabeth Warren joke last night.Bernie can definitely win based on strong progressive turnout coupled with good turn out from the remnants of the Obama coalition. Many moderate Dems would also likely hold their noses and vote Sanders in order to remove Trump. Likewise Biden could also win with moderate progressive turnout (again recognizing that Trump can’t be allowed another 4 years), strong Obama coalition and centrist independent turnout, and a small amount of GOP anti trump refugees. Both would do well in the rust belt imo, which is Trump’s only plausible path to 270. Beto could carry Texas in a Gen (higher turnout than in the midterms) which would ostensibly be lights out for the GOP.
He’s probably creating a special hybrid category for Beto that exists somewhere between progressive and centrist, where the candidate has elements of both in his platform. Silver probably believes that is where most Dem voters are at the moment.
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he doesnt need the south. this is a pretty reasonable base map. if he does this, all he needs is 1 of Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Virginia, North Carolina. just 1
NM is now a Blue State.
EDIT: Virginia too.
Also, AZ and GA are trending purple.
He's defining Liberal as being pro gay marriage, general racial/social justice, and thinking that capitalism kinda maybe needs some regulation but is otherwise a good system. Basically classic social liberalism, I guess.
I've seen numbers that put Bernie as the top second choice of Biden-supporters, and vice versa. I definitely think they could both win.
I just have a distaste for modern media labeling that is subtly reinforcing a right wing world view. I read that 538 article and AOC is described as "super progressive" because she supports single payer and a green new deal, both of which poll at well over 60%. So I feel the media is really intentionally or unintentionally trying to reinforce a solidly right wing world view. AOC supports common sense policies that would be centrist in Europe, South Korea, Australia and Canada and even though her policies have strong majority support, they still get labeled as "far left" or whatever.
I didn't see it. Sorry mate, glitch in the matrix I guess.
yeah so basically the 'social liberal/economic conservative' is now being considered "liberal". I feel the Arnold that won the California recall election in 2003 as a Republican is actually more "liberal" than some of these centrist Democrats. Other than a few very select social issues like LGBT rights the US definitely feels more to the right than it did 15 years ago.
will take a couple more cycles I think to turn Blue.
But we can safely say anyone who is nominated by the DNC will be the next president...assuming Hillary does not jump in.
I really don't think a centrist like Biden can beat Trump.
The Democrats need a fecking vision besides "Not Trump". Not Trump is not good enough to turn out the votes to beat Trump. I won't vote Biden in the general even if I live in Iowa.
true.
tells you how far right the Democratic party has gone.
Its no longer the party of the working family....actually it stopped being that for decades now.
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