2018 US Elections

Poor turnout isn’t just the issue, it’s also the fact that too many morons are able to vote.

Call me a snobby elitist but I’d much rather we have some form of screening test to gauge whether someone is intelligent enough or understand the issues that impact the entire nation than just enforcing mandatory voting. Because goodness knows the US needs it.
 
Kaos said:
If the Zodiac killer actually loses I think I might nut from all the schadenfreude. There isn’t a more odious, spineless turdbag than him. Would only be fitting if he loses it all even after lowering his dignity to fellate the same president who insulted him and his wife.
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I really enjoy everything about this post.
 
Kaos said:
Poor turnout isn’t just the issue, it’s also the fact that too many morons are able to vote.

Call me a snobby elitist but I’d much rather we have some form of screening test to gauge whether someone is intelligent enough or understand the issues that impact the entire nation than just enforcing mandatory voting. Because goodness knows the US needs it.
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Then the smart elites who send their kids to private school, get better education, get to set these "tests, can rule over the poor, uneducated, lower classes. Terrible idea.
 
altodevil86 said:
Then the smart elites who send their kids to private school, get better education, get to set these "tests, can rule over the poor, uneducated, lower classes. Terrible idea.
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You mean it's gonna be like today?
 
Getting a bad feeling. Sunk 100 quid on GOP keeping the house as a hedge, and I fear it's going to happen.

Just mind blowing how bad the GOP have become with regards to the environment, ethics, misogyny, and race and are still going to win. What a world.
 
Beachryan said:
Getting a bad feeling. Sunk 100 quid on GOP keeping the house as a hedge, and I fear it's going to happen.

Just mind blowing how bad the GOP have become with regards to the environment, ethics, misogyny, and race and are still going to win. What a world.
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Actually, I'm doing this too. Was too gutted by the 2016 election that I want something out of it this time if it goes the same way.
 
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I see this picture and think gentrification

Balu said:
I find that truely odd. In Germany, everyone has to get a German ID card from the age of 16 onwards. I never ever thought of it as something that hinders my freedom. Quite the opposite actually. Most teens can't wait to get their ID card, so that they can go to clubs, buy alcohol and cigarettes. They can move around Europe freely, start traveling on their own without their parents. Getting your own ID is a huge step towards freedom, independence from your parents.

The fact that you have to get an ID doesn't mean that you have to carry it with you all the time though or that you need it to acquire basic necessities. You're registered at a resident's registration office anyway. It's not like you can live completely anonymous without anyone knowing you exist. You could say, the ID card is basically your personal certificate that you're a citizen. It's not a tool from the government to control you in any way.

It's one of those things where I can't shake the feeling that US citizens fight it out of principle even though in many ways it would help the country to be a much fairer democracy. It's crazy how difficult it is to vote in the US and how many people aren't allowed to vote for the strangest reasons. I really don't get it at all. It could be so easy.
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If an ID is required to vote, then getting an ID should be as easy and simple as possible. It's not, which is why voter ID laws in some locations are seen as barriers to voting.
 
Kaos said:
Poor turnout isn’t just the issue, it’s also the fact that too many morons are able to vote.

Call me a snobby elitist but I’d much rather we have some form of screening test to gauge whether someone is intelligent enough or understand the issues that impact the entire nation than just enforcing mandatory voting. Because goodness knows the US needs it.
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Like many other things, the idea sounds good but in practice, it will be terrible.

And obviously it will favor Republicans. With their cuntiness, in red states when they make the law, the exam to vote will consist only of questions from the Bible and how often you go to church. As many other things, it is subject to interpretation.
 
adexkola said:
If an ID is required to vote, then getting an ID should be as easy and simple as possible. It's not, which is why voter ID laws in some locations are seen as barriers to voting.
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That's fair enough. I've read about problems like this and obviously voter ID laws shouldn't be used to exclude certain groups from voting. If you're not required to have an ID in general, it shouldn't be needed to vote.

What I don't get is the argument that a law that forces everyone to have an ID leads to an Orwell dystopia.
 
McConnell sayng voting is a previlege is a disgrace. It should be a basic human right. Fecking odius cnut.
 
Revan said:
Like many other things, the idea sounds good but in practice, it will be terrible.

And obviously it will favor Republicans. With their cuntiness, in red states when they make the law, the exam to vote will consist only of questions from the Bible and how often you go to church. As many other things, it is subject to interpretation.
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Voting and elections should be a federal thing, can't understand why states have their own rules.
 
altodevil86 said:
Then the smart elites who send their kids to private school, get better education, get to set these "tests, can rule over the poor, uneducated, lower classes. Terrible idea.
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Think you need to just set a very low bar. Just the most basic element
Kentonio said:
That was a waste of 100 quid.
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I hope so!

Would have felt a lot better when Trump was elected if I'd had a small financial result (yes I realise what that says about my humanity).
 
Great kids. :)
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Parkland students get out the vote in Florida

In Parkland, Florida, more than two dozen teenagers gathered Tuesday morning to make calls to remind voters to go to the polls. Many of the Parkland students, who had lost 17 classmates and teachers to a school shooting at their high school in February, were still too young to vote themselves.

“I can’t vote, so I wanted to do my part and get other people to vote for me,” said Ariana Ali, a 17-year-old senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school.

“Hi, I’m Kelly, I’m with March for Our Lives. Can I count on your vote?” Kelly Mathesie, another 17-year-old senior, said brightly. She and her friends were sitting in tight circle, their sticker-covered laptops open in front of them. “Thank you so much for voting!” she said. One of her friends cheered.
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Looking at all the reports of closed polling stations, broken equipment, voters turned away because of ID, votes changing, mail ins being discarded without notification and electronic voting machinery being open to hacking. I’m resigned to this being a bloodbath for the Dems and there’s not going to be anyone with the motivation or jurisdiction to care.

Mueller will be quashed, Trump will be emboldened and protected and life is about to get a lot more miserable.
 
Silva said:
you not being able to imagine something shouldn't be the basis for policy, you've been given numbers and reasons a few times now so unless you have something more constructive than "uh wtf people get an id" just accept that you're chatting shit and move on
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Excuse me? Where are you from Silva?
 
Balu said:
I find that truely odd. In Germany, everyone has to get a German ID card from the age of 16 onwards. I never ever thought of it as something that hinders my freedom. Quite the opposite actually. Most teens can't wait to get their ID card, so that they can go to clubs, buy alcohol and cigarettes. They can move around Europe freely, start traveling on their own without their parents. Getting your own ID is a huge step towards freedom, independence from your parents.

The fact that you have to get an ID doesn't mean that you have to carry it with you all the time though or that you need it to acquire basic necessities. You're registered at a resident's registration office anyway. It's not like you can live completely anonymous without anyone knowing you exist. You could say, the ID card is basically your personal certificate that you're a citizen. It's not a tool from the government to control you in any way.

It's one of those things where I can't shake the feeling that US citizens fight it out of principle even though in many ways it would help the country to be a much fairer democracy. It's crazy how difficult it is to vote in the US and how many people aren't allowed to vote for the strangest reasons. I really don't get it at all. It could be so easy.
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Exactly my friend, well put.
 
Balu said:
I find that truely odd. In Germany, everyone has to get a German ID card from the age of 16 onwards. I never ever thought of it as something that hinders my freedom. Quite the opposite actually. Most teens can't wait to get their ID card, so that they can go to clubs, buy alcohol and cigarettes. They can move around Europe freely, start traveling on their own without their parents. Getting your own ID is a huge step towards freedom, independence from your parents.

The fact that you have to get an ID doesn't mean that you have to carry it with you all the time though or that you need it to acquire basic necessities. You're registered at a resident's registration office anyway. It's not like you can live completely anonymous without anyone knowing you exist. You could say, the ID card is basically your personal certificate that you're a citizen. It's not a tool from the government to control you in any way.

It's one of those things where I can't shake the feeling that US citizens fight it out of principle even though in many ways it would help the country to be a much fairer democracy. It's crazy how difficult it is to vote in the US and how many people aren't allowed to vote for the strangest reasons. I really don't get it at all. It could be so easy.
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Have to agree. I'm as liberal, and anti-government as they come but not having a national ID seems like another one of those mental ideas you just can't wrap your head around as an outsider
 
Pexbo said:
Looking at all the reports of closed polling stations, broken equipment, voters turned away because of ID, votes changing, mail ins being discarded without notification and electronic voting machinery being open to hacking. I’m resigned to this being a bloodbath for the Dems and there’s not going to be anyone with the motivation or jurisdiction to care.

Mueller will be quashed, Trump will be emboldened and protected and life is about to get a lot more miserable.
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Wish I didn't see this post.
 
GOP’s Darrell Issa concedes his district on Fox News before polls open: ‘We know the results already — there will be a Democrat’

 
Balu said:
I find that truely odd. In Germany, everyone has to get a German ID card from the age of 16 onwards. I never ever thought of it as something that hinders my freedom. Quite the opposite actually. Most teens can't wait to get their ID card, so that they can go to clubs, buy alcohol and cigarettes. They can move around Europe freely, start traveling on their own without their parents. Getting your own ID is a huge step towards freedom, independence from your parents.

The fact that you have to get an ID doesn't mean that you have to carry it with you all the time though or that you need it to acquire basic necessities. You're registered at a resident's registration office anyway. It's not like you can live completely anonymous without anyone knowing you exist. You could say, the ID card is basically your personal certificate that you're a citizen. It's not a tool from the government to control you in any way.

It's one of those things where I can't shake the feeling that US citizens fight it out of principle even though in many ways it would help the country to be a much fairer democracy. It's crazy how difficult it is to vote in the US and how many people aren't allowed to vote for the strangest reasons. I really don't get it at all. It could be so easy.
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American politicians control their own elections and try to stop their opponents from voting. Anyone who tries who rationalise their rules is either a crook or a dumbass. If America had a free national ID, there would be other obstacles that pop up 10 minutes later. It's simple and transparent voter disenfranchisement.
 
So I guess the GOP will keep all their power and the democrats will spend the next 2 years whinging about how they cheated and the vote was a fraud. Then they have good hopes to beat Trump in 2020 and then, after they lose that election too will moan about China interfering to help Trump win his second term?

Am I doing this right?

On the ID thing, over here it's mandatory to carry an ID outside of your home. If you can't pay for it you have to fill out some stuff and get one for free.
 
KirkDuyt said:
So I guess the GOP will keep all their power and the democrats will spend the next 2 years whinging about how they cheated and the vote was a fraud. Then they have good hopes to beat Trump in 2020 and then, after they lose that election too will moan about China interfering to help Trump win his second term?

Am I doing this right?

On the ID thing, over here it's mandatory to carry an ID outside of your home. If you can't pay for it you have to fill out some stuff and get one for free.
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Yeah that's not the case in America. If you can't pay for it, you cannot afford to vote.
 
KirkDuyt said:
On the ID thing, over here it's mandatory to carry an ID outside of your home. If you can't pay for it you have to fill out some stuff and get one for free.
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There was an older fellow in front of me today that didn’t have an ID when asked to present it to sign in at the polling place. He had left his drivers license in his car, but said that he’d been coming to that polling place for every election since 1994 and had never been asked for an ID before to vote. I found that interesting, since it’s been the law in this state since 2011.

He went back to his car, retrieved it, and voted. (Sorry there’s not a more exciting ending)
 
Balu said:
I find that truely odd. In Germany, everyone has to get a German ID card from the age of 16 onwards. I never ever thought of it as something that hinders my freedom. Quite the opposite actually. Most teens can't wait to get their ID card, so that they can go to clubs, buy alcohol and cigarettes. They can move around Europe freely, start traveling on their own without their parents. Getting your own ID is a huge step towards freedom, independence from your parents.

The fact that you have to get an ID doesn't mean that you have to carry it with you all the time though or that you need it to acquire basic necessities. You're registered at a resident's registration office anyway. It's not like you can live completely anonymous without anyone knowing you exist. You could say, the ID card is basically your personal certificate that you're a citizen. It's not a tool from the government to control you in any way.

It's one of those things where I can't shake the feeling that US citizens fight it out of principle even though in many ways it would help the country to be a much fairer democracy. It's crazy how difficult it is to vote in the US and how many people aren't allowed to vote for the strangest reasons. I really don't get it at all. It could be so easy.
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Suedesi said:
Exactly my friend, well put.
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Pagh Wraith said:
Have to agree. I'm as liberal, and anti-government as they come but not having a national ID seems like another one of those mental ideas you just can't wrap your head around as an outsider
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This is a decent overview of some of the problems faced by minorities and low income families in the USA, those groups being the ones impacted is no accident.
 
Associated Pres said:
Citizens have been prevented from voting after a polling station was attached to a limousine and towed away. Would-be voters running behind the Republican-branded limo were taunted with loud-hailer broadcasts from the car, encouraging them to throw their paper ballots even though the following wind made this difficult.

GOP candidate Jim 'Voice of the People' Kurtz, speaking as he stopped briefly at traffic lights, blamed Chuck Berry and the Democrats for the debacle.
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