2018 US Elections
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hell yeah pro war dems
We got the wrong outcome of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Tennessee going nuts on early voting. Will Marsha Blackburn get (Taylor) swift-boated ?
May be an unpopular opinion but I don’t mind that ad. Warmongering republicans often don’t know shit about wars or the shit they’re sending US troops off into. Very easy sending men and women to die in Iraq when you’re sat at home. Republicans have this idea that they’ve a monopoly on patriotism and the fake patriot posturing needs to end. I’m fine with a soldier saying feck You you don’t know shit. I’m of the belief that a democrat veteran politician is less likely to say send the troops in than a Hillary Clinton hawk. I’m open to correction on that though if someone as evidence to the contrary.
I also don’t mind Bernie supporting veterans, which the republicans won’t (he said in his book McCain would work with him but they still disagreed).
I also don’t mind Bernie supporting veterans, which the republicans won’t (he said in his book McCain would work with him but they still disagreed).
God I hate her.
Definitely will buy some Taylor cds if Blackburn loses.
And I have not even heard one song from Taylor.
I support our men and women who serve. Its not their fault where they are sent to fight. Why I always respected McCain for his service to this country even when he was a reliable Corporate vote in the Senate.
And we need to do a lot more for our veterans and their families.
The GOP simply gives lip service.
Since the US got rid of the draft, it pretty much is isn't ? Who joins the army thinking they aren't going to war.
We should always be criticising the system rather than individuals but american and uk soldiers today get way too easy a ride politically.
Thats fair. My concern with McCain was that, despite his awful past experiences, he never saw a wore he didn't like (but he did speak out against torture time and again so props for that).
I guess my first point was that I'm fine with democrat vets referencing their military record, or running in the first place. I don't think it makes them guaranteed pro war or war mongerers. Funnily even my republican friends in the military are more reluctant and thoughtful about overseas military involvement tha the republicans I know sitting home on the couch in their uppity leafy suburbs.
Many people simply join to travel and get free (or heavily subsidized) education benefits, or to pay off massive student loans they just finished incurring.
Oh right but they shouldn't be surprise when it happens.
Also fair. I don't like the automatic hero worship and the attempts to insulate transgressions from any scrutiny (likewise with the police). But the US is still a country with many people who fell victim to the draft in Vietnam and have suffered to this day. There are also people who go into the army because of the financial status they find themselves in, with the cost of education it is their only way to afford college. It would be better for all to change the system but many vested interests get in the way of that.
I still think you make a good point but I think these are all considerations when thinking how to view individual soldiers. We shouldn't be automatically sucking their balls, nor automatically spitting on their coffins (hyperbolic examples).
Its ridiculous to criticize people who join to serve their country. If they do not fight for our country, who does?
It is therefore important to elect people who are more concerned about defending our country and more importantly truly lead by example the free world.
Funnily enough I know a marine who left the forces last year and know of a marine who is leaving the forces this year, both because they are so disillusioned with the reality of what they are fighting for. I had a chat with the former and he said that it’s a common trend at the moment. Few believe in the causes when they’re sent on active duty and it’s only training, camaraderie and survival instinct that gets them through it. His words were something along the line of it not being a 9-5, you make huge sacrifices and eventually you realise it’s not a good balance.
He predicted that all the UK forces were going to be struggling for numbers soon and it’s mot hard to understand why. I know the US is somewhat different but there will be similarities.
wanting to travel or get free college isnt a good excuse to go fight unjust wars
i like traveling but i havent invaded anyones country either
Yep. It's an indictment on the country (or countries) concerned.
They have no interest in fighting in a war, in fact a vast majority of people in the military don't see combat, even during actual wars.
thats nice. a good way to ensure you dont fight a war is to not sign up for the war fighting organization
Not sure what's going to happen, but everything points to Cruz having an advantage going in
Agree.
No one ideally. The only dangers Americans face are from their awful political system that produces - no basic free healthcare, stupid guns laws, debt, racist police and legal system, poor housing etc. To fight these problems you don't need to fly across the world and blow up a wedding party.
I remember seeing a story about US struggling with recruitment(Although we are still talking very small number)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/army-recruiting-shortage.html
As we spoke early on in this thread, its all about turnout for Beto.
If voters come out for him, he will scrape through.
Yes turnout will obviously be critical, although given the amount of people who have already voted early, Beto's recent polling surge may fall a bit short. We will see.
With all due respect, when was the last time Americans actually fought 'for their country'?
And by that, I mean fighting a war that threatened American lives at home?
The point I was making is we cannot Not have an armed force.
We need not have huge manpower. But they must have the best weapons.
But certainly we must have Air Superiority that cannot be matched.
The key though is to have Congress and a President that is accountable to the people.
The 53,000 that were kicked off the Georgia voter rolls has been restored by a judge ruling today.
I think someone above may have mentioned this.
I think someone above may have mentioned this.
The question is how many of those people will still bother voting.
we must hope Obama , Oprah and others canvasing will make them go out to vote.
There is so much pride now in voting for one of their own, they wont want to be among those that did not vote, especially after what Oprah said.
In Texas, the Latino turnout is said to be very good.
and just in general about people thinking about voting, surely to vote against a demagogue who actually has blood on his hands should be motivation enough.
in the end when he shouts vote. vote. numerous times.
as a need. it resonates.
If someone thinks the Electoral College is a shitty way of selecting a President should they just not vote?
A lot of times that the propositions are worded so as to be misleading, like the GDR (East Germany) and also, it’s interesting to see where the big money support for them is coming from.
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I don't know why you're asking me that.
More shenanigans from Kemp 
Bugger, recent ABC Poll has dem's overall majority shrinking to lowest point in a while.
Don't know why I'm surprised, but I had to hold out some hope for America.
Don't know why I'm surprised, but I had to hold out some hope for America.