2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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GDaly95 said:
Here's a question, will an Atheist ever become President? Probably won't ever be a possibility will it.
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You mean an openly athiest president. Im pretty sure many of America's past prezzos didn't believe in the invisible man in the sky. I don't think Obama did, the Bushes or both Clintons
 
GDaly95 said:
Here's a question, will an Atheist ever become President? Probably won't ever be a possibility will it.
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Probably. In fact we might have already had one. A few Presidents are rumored to have not actually been all that religious at all, even a few of the founding fathers, to the point of actually being Atheist. Lincoln is rumored to have given up on religion and god after the death of his son. Washington has a few things that point to him not being a big believer and maybe not believing at all.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
I kind agree with Bill Maher (I think) on this, that Obama is an atheist or at least agnostic, that references god just enough not to get found out.
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Yep. I think that Obama might be an agnostic or even atheist.

Obviously, a politician who wants to become president won't admit being atheist/agnostic in a quite long time. A shame, cause in other countries is becoming common.
 
syrian_scholes said:
I get that people don't trust Hillary because of the email scandal but as pointed out before, didn't a lot of politicians including the likes of Bush(example from the Republican Party) do the same?
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This is true but I'm not sure if he did it before or after being elected for a second term. This would be a big factor in establishing a difference between the two situations.
 
RedTiger said:
Lay of @McUnited Guys, everyone is allowed to have their own reasons to vote and banging him over the head with his reasons isn't going to magically change him.
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Ffs, we're entitled to challenge him on his views. What's the point of a forum otherwise? And someone saying this thread is an echo chamber, well it will be if we don't challenge each other or discuss.

And if someone says something funny then it's funny. That's their problem.

It's not like everyone in here pro Clinton agrees 100% with each other. @langster or myself are far more left than @Raoul for example, but we can voice different views and accept counterpoints. If someone is expressing an outlandish view and can't back it up, there's no reason their view should be taking seriously.
 
syrian_scholes said:
I don't mean to be condescending and I'm not Christian but from what little I know about Christianity isn't it a peaceful relegion? Turn the other cheek and what not, do you see Trump having those values? Didn't he say he is going to bomb the shite out of Syria?
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I don't think Christianity is at all peaceful, plenty of wars started by them.
 
McUnited said:
This thread is a perfect demonstration of how people love to hear their own opinions reflected back to them. A perfect echo chamber. Does it really make your opinion more valid?

I leave this question hanging because I know no one will answer with any degree of seriousness. And on that note, I must flush this toilet and leave you to your echo chamber.
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Just realised it was you who said this.

The fecking irony :lol: "I don't like you disagreeing with me so you're an echo chamber and I'm leaving". Come on...
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Could you elaborate
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The amount of times Trump changed how much the wall will cost, what experts said how much the wall will cost, and more importantly Trump saying that Mexico will pay for it, while Mexican PM (or was president) said that it isn't ever going to happen and that he never discussed it with Trump.
 
McUnited said:
I think Trump would protect Christian values better than Clinton. What Christian values are being threatened? You can still worship, praise, and go to church in peace. Nonsense point.
I'd probably prefer Trump's choice of judge(s) in Supreme Court. Fair enough.
I think he'd restore a sense of pride in their country to many Americans. At least half of Americans along with the rest of the world would be outright embarrassed.
I prefer Trump's views on guns. Democrats are not coming to take the guns. Background checks are fair.
I prefer Trump's immigration policy. Build a wall, round up people, and kick them out, and likely on a very expensive budget. Not very Christian of a policy don't you think?
I think it would be refreshing to have someone less ensconced in the political theatre to take charge. So someone deep in reality TV theater is the solution?

I just don't like Clinton and her lying about emails, Emails did no harm to the nation. Trump lies considerably more. This can cancel out.
Bill's history etc. Trump's history... Again, cancels out.
As someone put it, when she smiles she has the look of a crazy grandmother who's put the grand kids in the oven. Lol k.
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RT coverage is spot on

Ventura is one of the most intelligent people around. Shame he did not chose to run for president as an independent
 
senorgregster said:
REally? Just went to church for the public face? Surely he would have selected a different church early on.
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The church goers are a huge and very influential part of the community so of course every politician will pick one and go with the flow. Im certain most politicians worship themselves
 
If Clinton wins Florida by around two points or more then we'll know very early on. Anything less than that and it'll take a while. Under one point probably will stretch into the next day.
 
I certainly understand why someone with a strong Christian outlook would vote for Trump. In terms of the policies he'd implement you would have to assume he'd be less liberal than Clinton.

The problem with that position is the fact that Trump as a person is terribly at odds with those Christian values. So you have a situation where a group of voters who generally place great emphasis on the character and personal values of a candidate are forced to ignore the character and personal values of this particular candidate.

That's why you get some of them criticising Clinton so harshly for being a liar while ignoring the actual verified fact that Trump has lied more often in this campaign. Pretending that Clinton is just as bad as Trump on a personal level makes voting for Trump more palatable, which is pretty important when Trump's personality really should be pretty abhorrent to them.
 
Rado_N said:
His rate of lying is far far far higher than Clinton.

She's at around the average for a candidate, he's way out on his own as a speaker of untruths.
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Like I said, all politicians lie when campaigning and it is generally accepted by the electorate as those at the top of the pile are rarely called out on it once in power.

Saying one candidate lies more than the other when campaigning isn't indicative of much. The realities of office tend to be starkly different from CMO utopias.
 
stubie said:
RT coverage is spot on

Ventura is one of the most intelligent people around. Shame he did not chose to run for president as an independent
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Jesse? If it is and RT in the same sentence, that's too much conspiracy in 3 sentences for me.
 
Dwazza said:
Like I said, all politicians lie when campaigning and it is generally accepted by the electorate as those at the top of the pile are rarely called out on it once in power.

Saying one candidate lies more than the other when campaigning isn't indicative of much. The realities of office tend to be starkly different from CMO utopias.
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If the difference was negligible then yes, but the rate at which he lies is absolutely incredible.

Not only that, but the things he lies about as well are so mind bogglingly stupid.
 
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