2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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langster said:
I know, I've got the live text feed in the corner of my screen. Even that's boring the shit out of me. :lol:
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Given the stakes I'm not sure watching election night coverage is a good idea for you either!!

Maybe watch Bartlett v Ritchie reruns instead?
 
Melania Trump comes out and campaigns for her husband and she is getting absolutely slammed for it! Her comments about "online abuse" and "American culture becoming too mean" are obviously being laughed at and ripped to shreds at the same time. The fecking irony is hysterical! Whoever let her say shit like that needs a slap, (actually a medal and a drink) I can't believe Drumpfs team will be happy with that or the beating she and the campaign are taking because of those comments. Obviously not the brightest things to say when your own husband has been one of the biggest and nastiest Twitter Trolls around and has also abused and attacked everyone from one of his ex beauty pageant winners to a Gold Star family to The Pope.

I wonder if her speech was checked first? and also wonder if this is the first and last time we will see her out on the campaign trail?
 
langster said:
Wow watching Faux atm and they just literally admitted that Hillary just had the largest rally they have seen yet in Arizona. Much yuuuger than Drumpfs apparently.

Where has @Red Dreams gone anyway?
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Last seen in the Oldies thread supporting Paz's whining about this thread being a "shrine to Hillary" while dismissing that it's more a sensible approach to anyone but Trump.
 
New York-based novelist Paul Auster is despairing over the US election.

"Most people I know are on the verge of a nervous breakdown," he tells BBC Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis.

"There are times when Trump does sound like Hitler. The 'International Banking Conspiracy' is just a code word for Jews. It's very scary. Plus his embrace by the white supremacist right wing. There were 60 of these groups 10 years ago. Now there are 900. Trump has enabled them."

Spot on. The signs that Trump is a neo-fascist are all over the place ... to the point where I'm surprised that Clinton doesn't really go all-out attack on this.
 


I feel like they probably planned those a little early.
 
MrMarcello said:
Last seen in the Oldies thread supporting Paz's whining about this thread being a "shrine to Hillary" while dismissing that it's more a sensible approach to anyone but Trump.
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Shame, I like RD, he was a decent contributor here at times. This thread isn't a "Shrine to Hillary" FFS! If anything it's an attack on Drumpf and disgust about this whole shambles of an election and the rueing of chances missed by better candidates like Biden or Warren and of course Bernie. I think it's become a pragmatic approach to the election and acceptance that Hillary is the best and only real option. Yes there are other parties, we all know that, but nobody is voting for them and a vote for them out of protest (or belief) is definitely a vote for Trump.

It's obvious that Hillary isn't perfect by any stretch, but compared to Drumpf, well anyone with any modicum of sense can see there isn't a comparison between the two and Drumpf MUST NOT become President of the United States Of America at any cost!
 
A new survey of likely Colorado voters released this afternoon shows former secretary of state Hillary Clinton leading Republican rival Donald Trump by six points, an increase by four points since the poll’s last edition.

The survey, released by Magellan Strategies, found Clinton ahead 44% to Trump’s 38%, with Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson trailing at 7% and Green candidate Jill Stein with 2% support.

Magellan’s last Colorado survey showed Clinton leading Trump by five points, 40% to 35%, while Johnson’s support declined by five points and Stein’s fell by three points, indicating that the lion’s share of former third-party voters has gone to Clinton’s camp.

Clinton leads Trump by 17 points among women, trailing among men by five points.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Spot on. The signs that Trump is a neo-fascist are all over the place ... to the point where I'm surprised that Clinton doesn't really go all-out attack on this.
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It's one thing to attack David Duke (or do it via proxy), but to openly start a debate on race isn't the best strategy for Clinton. I can see why she didn't go near it.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
It's one thing to attack David Duke (or do it via proxy), but to openly start a debate on race isn't the best strategy for Clinton. I can see why she didn't go near it.
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His neo-fascism is far from being all about race:

* Trump has tweeted the motto favoured by Mussolini.
* He drops anti-Semitic hints left, right and centre - e.g. tweeting a six-pointed star, echoing the Jewish Star of David, positioned next to a photo of Clinton against a backdrop of money.
* At a campaign rally in Florida he evoked fascist symbolism by asking his supporters to raise their right arms and pledge to vote for him
* He's spoken openly about jailing his political opponents
* He's encouraged his supporters to be physically threatening and intimidating
* He's advocated the torture of terrorist suspects
* He's spoken of his admiration for 'strong men' like Putin and Sadaam Hussein
* He's spoken about not accepting the results of the election
* He's encouraged hostility to the free press and media - who are an essential pillar of democracy
* He's referred to Obama's presidency as a 'regime' ... as if his democratic election doesn't matter.
* He's mused about "2nd amendment solutions"
* He's promised to round up 11m people and deport them, which would first mean establishing camps to concentrate them in.
* His supporters put out videos like Big Guns, which shows an ex-Navy Seal firing a high-powered, rapid-fire gun, accompanied by ominous voice-overs about the Democratic Party.

The list goes on an on.
 
@GlastonSpur I don't doubt it (I've probably read about most of it as it has happened). But, this has been a campaign short on substance. What's a better ad hominem attack? Trump is a pervert, or Trump is a fascist? The first is easier to grasp and caricature (it also turns more people off, I'd expect). The more simple a political attack, usually the more effective. Having to reel off a highlight list and give a history lesson about the rise of fascism in Europe post-World War One probably isn't going to work on a mass scale. Just wouldn't be expedient to divest all (or even most) of a campaign's resources into this issue. Best way to stop this nonsense is to beat him, and the polls suggest that Clinton has done a good job of that (so far, at least).
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
@GlastonSpur I don't doubt it (I've probably read about most of it as it has happened). But, this has been a campaign short on substance. What's a better ad hominem attack? Trump is a pervert, or Trump is a fascist? The first is easier to grasp and caricature (it also turns more people off, I'd expect). The more simple a political attack, usually the more effective. Having to reel off a highlight list and give a history lesson about the rise of fascism in Europe post-World War One probably isn't going to work on a mass scale. Just wouldn't be expedient to divest all (or even most) of a campaign's resources into this issue. Best way to stop this nonsense is to beat him, and the polls suggest that Clinton has done a good job of that (so far, at least).
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Well the trump is a pervert line is well-established now, with little more mileage to be gained from it. So IMO it's time to concentrate on the Trump is fascist angle.

Moreover, Trump leads among voters in their 60s and above, who vote in larger proportional numbers than other age groups and won't need much educating about the rise of fascism and WWII ... not least because some of their parents (or even themselves in some cases) fought in WWII fighting against fascism. Time to peel some of them away from Trump.
 
Interesting split in those red state polls I mentioned above, AZ is Trump +5 but GA is only +1. Variance, MoE etc but still, think that's first time we've seen them that way round in a while.
 
langster said:
Melania Trump comes out and campaigns for her husband and she is getting absolutely slammed for it! Her comments about "online abuse" and "American culture becoming too mean" are obviously being laughed at and ripped to shreds at the same time. The fecking irony is hysterical! Whoever let her say shit like that needs a slap, (actually a medal and a drink) I can't believe Drumpfs team will be happy with that or the beating she and the campaign are taking because of those comments. Obviously not the brightest things to say when your own husband has been one of the biggest and nastiest Twitter Trolls around and has also abused and attacked everyone from one of his ex beauty pageant winners to a Gold Star family to The Pope.

I wonder if her speech was checked first? and also wonder if this is the first and last time we will see her out on the campaign trail?
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Remember though from that interview last week, she was as shocked as anyone that she was going to be giving speeches this week :D
 
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barros said:
And about governments "donating" to that foundation is that a conspiratorial moaning or people ignoring what's obvious?
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I could give two fecks who donated to the foundation. Its an organization that funds children's health and vaccines around the world so where the money comes from is completely irrelevant. In fact, the more they fleece the wealthy the better.
 
GlastonSpur said:
New York-based novelist Paul Auster is despairing over the US election.

"Most people I know are on the verge of a nervous breakdown," he tells BBC Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis.

"There are times when Trump does sound like Hitler. The 'International Banking Conspiracy' is just a code word for Jews. It's very scary. Plus his embrace by the white supremacist right wing. There were 60 of these groups 10 years ago. Now there are 900. Trump has enabled them."

Spot on. The signs that Trump is a neo-fascist are all over the place ... to the point where I'm surprised that Clinton doesn't really go all-out attack on this.
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So the first thing trump will do if he wins is sending his daughter to a concentration camp?
 
Raoul said:
I could give two fecks who donated to the foundation. Its an organization that funds children's health and vaccines around the world so where the money comes from is completely irrelevant. In fact, the more they fleece the wealthy the better.
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Will be interesting seeing how much money from donations actually goes to help children.
 
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