You're saying he's won states because of that rather than demographics?
I'm not a woman so I'm sure to get flak for this, but I don't think abortion is as clear cut an issue as liberals make it sound. Point one, it's the baby's body too. Point two, why is it required for the man to pay family support but not OK for him to have an input on whether she keeps the baby in the first place?
The current administration has done nothing to assure me Democrats are not also for expanding the drug war and spying. Obama's also put into place various anti-immigration policies that Bush never did (like automatic social security deductions even if you're not eligible for social security). Don't really see what cultural wars have to do with government largesse.
I think that was kind of his point.
I'd bet that she extends her pledged delegate lead, the big prizes left all lean her way.
She's a weak primary candidate unquestionably, I think she'll be a good general election one though.
Might go all the way to Clint Eastwood's chair. Would probably win Utah anyway.
Well my point is (assuming sex was consensual) that its a responsibility they both took on together from that point on. I think they should both have an input into how it proceeds. Obviously if there are health risks to the mother then that should be evaluated by a medical professional.wow!
1. Because he doesn't have to carry the thing around in his uterus for 9 months
2. Because his health/life won't be at risk if any potential problems arise
3. Because if men have any sort of legal say over abortion then abuse of the system will inevitably take place, also men that want to have a say in what women do with their bodies are generally not men who have much respect for women.
4. Because it'll will give licence for abusive men to assert control over a spouse/girlfriend and for vindictive twats to punish women who have since left them
5. Because it could give rapists the potential to inflict further misery & pain on their victims.
and that's even ignoring any reasons beyond birth about whether or not the woman/man/parents are even mentally capable or have the income to raise a child in a healthy environment.
I think the fair question is whether men should be forced to assume paternity. They certainly should have no say whether a woman should or should not take a pregnancy to the end.
The vast majority of abuse goes undocumented, so those protection clauses mean nothing. Men already have input when they're in a relationship, by talking to the woman just about everyday about everything, but the point is when the woman goes to the doctor and asks for an abortion the man can either hold her hand or feck off.
My view is that abuse is an issue that should be dealt with separately from abortion law. Obviously more needs to be done about domestic abuse, both of partners and of children.
Babies are expensive. I'm sure women would be alright with getting the financial help from the state instead of dealing with a man who doesn't want to get involved, but the same ring-wing that wants to ban abortions will cry about it being her responsibility. It's rough, but the bills gotta get paid.
..But the point is, your safeguards for women don't work. The only one that works is letting her make the decision. It doesn't matter if you want more to be done about abuse, it won't be enough.
Yeah, I don't really want the taxpayer to have to pay for someone else's babies tbh. I've seen friends constantly having to pick up the tab at work while their co-worker takes their third long maternity leave in as many years; that's as far as someone should have to go in supporting someone else's children as far as I'm concerned.
Ok, that's fair enough, I should have said its reasonable for any father to care.
Yeah, I doubt there'd be much conflict in a good relationship, but a conflict doesn't mean its an abusive relationship either. I'd agree that the father should never get to force a mother to have an abortion, but I think he should have some say if they are living together, there's no history of abuse nor medical issues, the sex was consensual and he wants to keep the baby and she doesn't. Either that or scrap the spousal child support requirement.
