2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Eriku said:
Believe it or not, it saves money to not imprison the largest amount of prisoners of any country, to keep people as tax-payers, to not have them go bankrupt over medical issues, and to drive down extortionate prices and overheads through the pharmaceutical industry and the current goings in the medical system in the US. Parents not wrecking themselves with 2-3 underpaid jobs would help them be there for their kids as they're developing, too.

Bernie represents a much needed direction change (provided his whole movement outside of the presidential election succeeds, but any rate he'll still not be as destructive as any other candidate runing) which would have positive cascade effects. I'm not sure how anybody could consider business as usual a good idea for the US, and no other candidate would address a more signicant change of course.
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But why changing if this country still the richest country in the world? If you really want to work on this country you get what you want, you can buy a house, own a car, etc. I went to Trenton in New jersey the other day and I saw a few signs asking for "help", stores mostly but then when I drove inside the city (Trenton is the capital of New Jersey and all the government offices are located in the center), I saw - not for the first time, young man polishing the walls with their asses and on the phones, they are unemployed and they live between unemployment and welfare, they are the ones we the taxpayers have to support and they are the reason I don't like the "left". Bernie's ideas will not work, some of his ideas like free college I think that could be done, we just need to stop giving money to our "friends" like Egypt and Turkey for example. Why don't give free healthcare to children until they are 18 or 21 if the parents don't have health insurance? A few things that could be done but first they need to regulate the welfare.
 
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton FOX News Cruz 46, Clinton 45 Cruz +1
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton FOX News Rubio 48, Clinton 44 Rubio +4
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 45, Bush 46 Bush +1
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Kasich 47, Clinton 44 Kasich +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 53, Trump 38 Sanders +15
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 44, Trump 43 Clinton +1
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Cruz 46, Clinton 43 Cruz +3
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Rubio 48, Clinton 41 Rubio +7
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Kasich 47, Clinton 39 Kasich +8
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Bush 44 Bush +1
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 48, Trump 42 Sanders +6
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Cruz 39 Sanders +10
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 47, Rubio 41 Sanders +6
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 45, Kasich 41 Sanders +4
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Bush 39 Sanders +1

interesting polls
 
Red Dreams said:
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton FOX News Cruz 46, Clinton 45 Cruz **
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton FOX News Rubio 48, Clinton 44 Rubio +4
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 45, Bush 46 Bush **
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Kasich 47, Clinton 44 Kasich +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 53, Trump 38 Sanders +15
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 44, Trump 43 Clinton **
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Cruz 46, Clinton 43 Cruz +3
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Rubio 48, Clinton 41 Rubio +7
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Kasich 47, Clinton 39 Kasich +8
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Bush 44 Bush **
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 48, Trump 42 Sanders +6
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Cruz 39 Sanders +10
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 47, Rubio 41 Sanders +6
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 45, Kasich 41 Sanders +4
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Bush 39 Sanders **

interesting polls
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Ross Perot v Trump and Sanders v John McCain would be nice too
 
Red Dreams said:
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton FOX News Cruz 46, Clinton 45 Cruz **
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton FOX News Rubio 48, Clinton 44 Rubio +4
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 45, Bush 46 Bush **
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Kasich 47, Clinton 44 Kasich +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 53, Trump 38 Sanders +15
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 44, Trump 43 Clinton **
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Cruz 46, Clinton 43 Cruz +3
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Rubio 48, Clinton 41 Rubio +7
General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Kasich 47, Clinton 39 Kasich +8
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 43, Bush 44 Bush **
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 48, Trump 42 Sanders +6
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Cruz 39 Sanders +10
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 47, Rubio 41 Sanders +6
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 45, Kasich 41 Sanders +4
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Bush 39 Sanders **

interesting polls
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So basically independents despise Hillary.
 
@Ubik

The Repub attack ads have started coming out. Pictures of ther ed flag and tanks rolling across Europe.

And yet, it gets better and better for him,worse and worse for Hillary.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html


There is no way she is beating Rubio based on these. (I'm counting them as the 2 most probable establishment nominees)

Polls from this year:
RCP Average 2/2 - 2/17 -- -- 47.5 42.8 Rubio +4.7
FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 1031 RV 3.0 48 44 Rubio +4
Quinnipiac 2/10 - 2/15 1342 RV 2.7 48 41 Rubio +7
USA Today/Suffolk 2/11 - 2/15 1000 LV 3.0 48 42 Rubio +6
Quinnipiac 2/2 - 2/4 1125 RV 2.9 48 41 Rubio +7
PPP (D) 2/2 - 2/3 1236 RV 2.8 46 44 Rubio +2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 1/9 - 1/13 800 RV 3.5 46 47 Clinton +1
FOX News 1/4 - 1/7 1006 RV 3.0 50 41 Rubio +9
 
More speculation that if Trump wins the ticket, he will select Marcobot as his running mate, which would make a pretty compelling ticket for the GOP.
 
Raoul said:
Today's latest polls. Hope Cruz doesn't do another Iowa at the last minute.

South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary NBC/WSJ/Marist Trump 28, Cruz 23, Rubio 15, Bush 13, Kasich 9, Carson 9 Trump +5

South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary NBC/WSJ/Marist Clinton 60, Sanders 32 Clinton +28
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Think most have been showing Trump with a 10 point lead so he looks safe, though you never know. Most interesting thing once again will be who comes third.

Hillary seems to have consolidated in SC. She just needs any kind of win in Nevada.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I don't feel like trawling back through polls, but Jeb! wasn't that close before, was he? G.W.B. effect :D
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No he wasn't and it could be an outlier poll, but when you think about it he should be closer since he's had Dubya and Lindsey Graham campaigning for him, his popular mother visiting the state, and has been much stronger in his recent debates, especially in his attacks on Trump. I think the establishment are desperate for someone they perceive as a winner who can depose Trump and he's catching a bit of tailwind from that.
 
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unchanged_lineup said:
I don't feel like trawling back through polls, but Jeb! wasn't that close before, was he? G.W.B. effect :D
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He's been at about the same level for weeks, high single digits to low teens. Kasich had a bump after NH, Rubio had one after Iowa.
 
Best case for Trump is if Carson, Bush, and Kasich stay in the race as long as possible, or a minimum through the March 1st primaries, at which point Trump will have probably gained too many delegates and momentum to be stopped. If Bush and Kasich get out before that, its a massive win for Rubio.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Who are this American Research Group? They're way different from the others.
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If you think that every candidate's figure's have a margin of error of about 5% each, they start to look a bit more similar. Primary polling with so many candidates is pretty tough.
 
I think the Fox poll is probably closer to reality. Rubio is going to finish closer to Cruz than Cruz will to Trump, and Jeb will probably put in a strong 4th if that's possible.
 
Ubik said:
Might as well wait for Super Tuesday at this point.
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Republican establishment should look to consolidate behind one candidate if they want to stop Trump/Cruz. Only hope for them is that freed up voters don't go to those two but who ever is left standing against them.
 
crappycraperson said:
Republican establishment should look to consolidate behind one candidate if they want to stop Trump/Cruz. Only hope for them is that freed up voters don't go to those two but who ever is left standing against them.
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They should, and should have done it months ago. But yeah, the likes of Kasich and Bush could get leaned on to drop out after SC, depends on how much they really want Rubio to get the nomination I suppose.
 
Raoul said:
He needs to stay in until the March primaries are done imo. There are loads of delegates at play and it will give Trump the upper hand over Cruz and Rubio if Bush stays in.
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You want Trump to win the nomination? I thought it would be a great laugh based on the line of thinking that he stood no chance in general. I don't think that's true anymore, so I would rather someone else than Cruz/Trump get the nomination.
 
Charles Koch: This is the one issue where Bernie Sanders is right
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As he campaigns for the Democratic nomination for president, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) often sounds like running as much against me as he is the other candidates. I have never met the senator, but I know from listening to him that we disagree on plenty when it comes to public policy.

Even so, I see benefits in searching for common ground and greater civility during this overly negative campaign season. That’s why, in spite of the fact that he often misrepresents where I stand on issues, the senator should know that we do agree on at least one — an issue that resonates with people who feel that hard work and making a contribution will no longer enable them to succeed.

The senator is upset with a political and economic system that is often rigged to help the privileged few at the expense of everyone else, particularly the least advantaged. He believes that we have a two-tiered society that increasingly dooms millions of our fellow citizens to lives of poverty and hopelessness. He thinks many corporations seek and benefit from corporate welfare while ordinary citizens are denied opportunities and a level playing field.

I agree with him.


Democrats and Republicans have too often favored policies and regulations that pick winners and losers. This helps perpetuate a cycle of control, dependency, cronyism and poverty in the United States. These are complicated issues, but it’s not enough to say that government alone is to blame. Large portions of the business community have actively pushed for these policies.

Consider the regulations, handouts, mandates, subsidies and other forms of largess our elected officials dole out to the wealthy and well-connected. The tax code alone contains$1.5 trillion in exemptions and special-interest carve-outs. Anti-competitive regulations cost businesses an additional$1.9 trillion every year. Perversely, this regulatory burden falls hardest on small companies, innovators and the poor, while benefiting many large companies like ours. This unfairly benefits established firms and penalizes new entrants, contributing to a two-tiered society.


Whenever we allow government to pick winners and losers, we impede progress and move further away from a society of mutual benefit. This pits individuals and groups against each other and corrupts the business community, which inevitably becomes less focused on creating value for customers. That’s why Koch Industries opposes all forms of corporate welfare — even those that benefit us. (The government’s ethanol mandate is a good example.We oppose that mandate, even though we are the fifth-largest ethanol producer in the United States.)

It may surprise the senator to learn that our framework in deciding whether to support or oppose a policy is not determined by its effect on our bottom line (or by which party sponsors the legislation), but by whether it will make people’s lives better or worse.

With this in mind, the United States’ next president must be willing to rethink decades of misguided policies enacted by both parties that are creating a permanent underclass.

Our criminal justice system, which is in dire need of reform, is another issue where the senator shares some of my concerns. Families and entire communities are being ripped apart by laws that unjustly destroy the lives of low-level and nonviolent offenders.

Today, if you’re poor and get caught possessing and selling pot, you could end up in jail. Your conviction will hold you back from many opportunities in life. However, if you are well-connected and have ample financial resources, the rules change dramatically. Where is the justice in that?

Arbitrary restrictions limit the ability of ex-offenders to get housing, student or business loans, credit cards, a meaningful job or even to vote. Public policy must change if people are to have the chance to succeed after making amends for their transgressions. At Koch Industries we’re practicing our principles by “banning the box.” We have voluntarily removed the question about prior criminal convictions from our job application.


At this point you may be asking yourself, “Is Charles Koch feeling the Bern?”

Hardly.

I applaud the senator for giving a voice to many Americans struggling to get ahead in a system too often stacked in favor of the haves, but I disagree with his desire to expand the federal government’s control over people’s lives. This is what built so many barriers to opportunity in the first place.

Consider America’s War on Poverty. Since its launch under President Lyndon Johnson in 1964, we have spent roughly $22 trillion, yet our poverty rate remains at 14.8 percent. Instead of preventing, curing and relieving the causes and symptoms of poverty (the goals of the program when it began), too many communities have been torn apart and remain in peril while even more tax dollars pour into this broken system.

It is results, not intentions, that matter. History has proven that a bigger, more controlling, more complex and costlier federal government leaves the disadvantaged less likely to improve their lives.

When it comes to electing our next president, we should reward those candidates, Democrat or Republican, most committed to the principles of a free society. Those principles start with the right to live your life as you see fit as long as you don’t infringe on the ability of others to do the same. They include equality before the law, free speech and free markets and treating people with dignity, respect and tolerance. In a society governed by such principles, people succeed by helping others improve their lives.

I don’t expect to agree with every position a candidate holds, but all Americans deserve a president who, on balance, can demonstrate a commitment to a set of ideas and values that will lead to peace, civility and well-being rather than conflict, contempt and division. When such a candidate emerges, he or she will have my enthusiastic support.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?postshare=9111455889562292&tid=ss_tw
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The evil bastard almost sounds human here.

*spits*
 
RedSky said:
I'm confused, are people actually voting for this Trump fella? Why are they voting for this Trump fella? He's an eejit.
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He is. But he's their eejit.

A comment in the Telegraph this morning explains a lot, I think: 'Trump has no truck with political correctness.'

Lots of people are angered by the suffocating blanket of liberal pc which has descended on the Western world. Trump pisses right through that. On mature consideration, his supporters won't necessarily agree with every thing he says, but they admire his willingness to say it - the fact that he bites the tail of the censorious, liberal tiger. He won't allow the liberal, cultural mandarins to dictate what he says and how he says it.
 
Will Absolute said:
He is. But he's their eejit.

A comment in the Telegraph this morning explains a lot, I think: 'Trump has no truck with political correctness.'

Lots of people are angered by the suffocating blanket of liberal pc which has descended on the Western world. Trump pisses right through that. On mature consideration, his supporters won't necessarily agree with every thing he says, but they admire his willingness to say it - the fact that he bites the tail of the censorious, liberal tiger. He won't allow the liberal, cultural mandarins to dictate what he says and how he says it.
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That's fine and dandy but you don't actually make him your president for 4 years... :lol:
 
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