2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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I'd be willing to piss on him if he changes his mind mid-burn.
Nothing will change for the GOP - at the State level - they are still dominant and nothing will change that in the near future. Presidential - who knows....it's not like, Hillary is a sure thing.
yeah. I'm not all gung ho about the Dems either.
Meanwhile in the Trump House...
Donald Trump refuses to release birth certificate and passport records
He really is a scumbag.
Donald Trump refuses to release birth certificate and passport records
He really is a scumbag.
Trump is not serious...probably another TV show is on the way.
During his 'announcement' I was not listening to him...just watching that bit of white something in the corner of his mouth. was waiting to see when it will fall off.
During his 'announcement' I was not listening to him...just watching that bit of white something in the corner of his mouth. was waiting to see when it will fall off.
Oh I agree, although I'm sure he thinks he would be a great POTUS.
I just hope he makes it to the debates.
I just hope he makes it to the debates.
The longer he stays in, the more he tarnishes their legitimacy...so long may it continue. 
A PPV event would seem ideal.....
The longer he stays in, the more he tarnishes their legitimacy...so long may it continue.
or he may just make the others seem 'sane'.....clever.
Highly unlikely since he will drag the narrative more to the absurd and force the others to participate in that discussion.
think the GOP has learned from their mistakes. They are smarter. Look at Rand Paul. I think they will ignore him.
Hope I'm wrong though.
They can't ignore him if he participates in the debates, which since he's currently polling 2nd in New Hampshire, virtually guarantees that.
Has the "south" or any major southern christians groups ever issued a simple, heartfelt apology to African Americans? Just a simple apology? My god, what incredible inroads that would make.
An apology instead of an insistence and obsession on the Confederate flag. Seems more like there´s this lasting resentment for liberation and civil rights that´s still around today and used as a political rallying point. I mean, what the fxck? There´s nothing wrong with being sorry.
Are they even sorry???
An apology instead of an insistence and obsession on the Confederate flag. Seems more like there´s this lasting resentment for liberation and civil rights that´s still around today and used as a political rallying point. I mean, what the fxck? There´s nothing wrong with being sorry.
Are they even sorry???
Not sure what you're getting it. The South is not some sort of single entity that speaks with one voice. Its merely a geographic area.
Ya know, the south that was united under the confederate flag that fought a bloody civil war against the north. Surely you understand this. I can´t imagine you would think of the South as "merely" a geographical region in this day and age.
Maybe I´m wrong, but considering the way the "South" has become so overwhelmingly conservative and Republican, you don´t really get a sense that they are sorry about the civil rights resistance and racism and slavery and apartheid of their ugly past. On the contrary, the fervor of their confederate flag seems to be a rallying point of "southern" pride.
Maybe I´m wrong, but considering the way the "South" has become so overwhelmingly conservative and Republican, you don´t really get a sense that they are sorry about the civil rights resistance and racism and slavery and apartheid of their ugly past. On the contrary, the fervor of their confederate flag seems to be a rallying point of "southern" pride.
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Not sure why you're tarring an entire heterogeneous region with a single brush based on a war that took place a mere 155 years ago. The south today, in places like Atlanta, Charlotte, and other big cities is significantly ahead of the racial discussion than a few random northern cities (Boston etc).
I´m not tarring the region with a single stroke. I´m talking about generalities. It is a recognized region with an identity and a "feeling" and a flag and souther pride that is very dominant. Maybe an actual born and bred American has a much better sense of this.
Much as you want to ignore the 150 years ago, that war, the "southern strategy, civil right resistance is very very alive today. And you can´t deny it has become a very Republican, conservative region. I wonder why.
Much as you want to ignore the 150 years ago, that war, the "southern strategy, civil right resistance is very very alive today. And you can´t deny it has become a very Republican, conservative region. I wonder why.
Only if you've watched a few too many reruns of the Dukes of Hazzard.
As for an actual born and bred American - i've spent 15 years living in the south and as an outsider, have a pretty good observational sense of the dynamics there. You, on the other hand, seem stuck in some sort of 1960s / George Wallace / KKK loop in your perceptions of the south, when things have moved on significantly since that period, and in many cases are more progressive and conciliatory than several northern cities.
Stuck in the 60s George Wallace? Dukes of Hazard? Can you get more cliche. Jesus! I think my political awakening was seeing the reaction to an Obama presidency, especially in the South. You for some reason think the the civil war, civil rights and southern strategy have no affect on the south. Unbelievable.
Churches are burning again. Did you notice?
Churches are burning again. Did you notice?
There you go again. Get over it. Even better, go visit the south sometime. I was just there the other day - it's not the dramatic, Mississippi Burning scene you're trying to conjure up.
I visit the south quite often. Have family who live there. You on the other hand sound like these typical immigrants who become more Americans than Americans. Or think they are.
How about this. Look how progressive the south has become. But naw, Obama and the southern strategy have nothing to do with this.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-elections-Southern-takeover/2014/11/08/id/606173/
With the walloping Republicans gave Democrats in the midterm elections, the GOP stands one Louisiana Senate runoff away from completely controlling Southern politics from the Carolinas to Texas. Only a handful of Democrats hold statewide office in the rest of the Old Confederacy.
How about this. Look how progressive the south has become. But naw, Obama and the southern strategy have nothing to do with this.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-elections-Southern-takeover/2014/11/08/id/606173/
With the walloping Republicans gave Democrats in the midterm elections, the GOP stands one Louisiana Senate runoff away from completely controlling Southern politics from the Carolinas to Texas. Only a handful of Democrats hold statewide office in the rest of the Old Confederacy.
On the other hand, Virginia and North Carolina are progressively turning Democratic in Presidential elections, and there's a concerted effort to turn Texas blue. There are a lot of hispanics in the south, which is shifting the demographics from traditional white/black to a variety of other groups.
Still, you cannot deny, the republican party in general controls southern politics, and we all know why. The change you mentioned is indeed because of changing demographics, as white people are losing their traditional number advantage.
This is not rocket science.
This is not rocket science.
Its more so a matter of southern democratic voters not being energized. For example, blacks make up roughly 40% of Mississippi's population, but don't turn out in sufficient numbers to vote. Once more voter registrations and early voting get organized, that will change.
Mississippi Burning? . . . no, erm 2015
String of fires at Black-majority churches
http://www.premierchristianradio.com/News/World/String-of-fires-at-Black-majority-churches
String of fires at Black-majority churches
http://www.premierchristianradio.com/News/World/String-of-fires-at-Black-majority-churches
Or is it that white conservative voters are getting very energised? Again, I wonder why?
Was Gene Hackman in the mix as well ?
White voters aren't a homogenous block. There are an increasing number of white progressives in the south, which when combined with blacks and hispanics, will slowly challenge the conservative advantage. See Virginia and NC as examples, and over time other states will join.
I'm not sure this is true - looking at the 2012 exit polls for Mississippi and Alabama, the turnout for black voters is broadly in line with the demographics of the states, it's just that white voters went 85-90% for Romney.
Alabama - http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/alabama/president/#exitPoll
Mississippi - http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/mississippi/president/#exitPoll
It is true though that white voters in states like VA and NC were closer to the national average, though that national average was still an eye-watering 20 point lead for Romney.
That's of course true. Aside from the glaring exception of Obama, voting is mostly still done along racial lines by party.
I realize white voters aren´t an homogenous block. That´s more than obvious. But again, why has the south during Obama turned almost completely Republikan? And Republikan with an extreme tea party taste to it. Doh! This is not rocket science. The race card is an essential part of Republican politics. Essential at getting the white working and middle class to vote against their economic interests. You do realize this, don´t you?
I´m optimistic that progressive politics will, shall I say, overcome in the south. Not only from changing demographics, but also from the slow realisation that the Republican party of today, especially in the south, has become a dying dinosaur full of pricks. This last outrageous massacre has fortunately done loads to help bury the vestiges of of this southern legacy. Still a lot of work to be done.
Its easy as to why the south is more Republican - because it's historically been a more conservative/traditionalist base of the country, where as the north east has been more progressive. Most of the old preconceived notions of the south are rapidly shifting these days, mainly because of a change in social attitudes and shifts in demographics. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see one or two additional southern states come into play for the Dems in the next election.
But c´mon, admit it, racial politics play very very well in south. Why would that be? And during Obama´s administration it has become more conservative than ever. Yes, attitudes are shifting, but you can´t explain the unprecedented Republican success in the south during Obama´s reign (and the tea party for that matter) on a simplistic belief that it is just historically more traditional.
The "conservative/traditionalist base of the country" is typically racist in the US. Dog whistles and race cards work very well with them.
The "conservative/traditionalist base of the country" is typically racist in the US. Dog whistles and race cards work very well with them.
A perceptual illusion. The south is far more on the cusp of going Democratic than it ever has been since old school racist Dems became Republicans during the Civil Rights era.
¿Perceptual?
"With the walloping Republicans gave Democrats in the midterm elections, the GOP stands one Louisiana Senate runoff away from completely controlling Southern politics from the Carolinas to Texas. Only a handful of Democrats hold statewide office in the rest of the Old Confederacy."
"With the walloping Republicans gave Democrats in the midterm elections, the GOP stands one Louisiana Senate runoff away from completely controlling Southern politics from the Carolinas to Texas. Only a handful of Democrats hold statewide office in the rest of the Old Confederacy."
Its a standard reaction during mid terms and when the opposite party controls the White House. Happened to Clinton as well in 94. Its merely a balancing reaction to galvanize opposition to the President's agenda.
Standard reaction to a African American in the White House more like it.
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