Bush was a former cokehead (and C student), also he was exceptionally dumb.
Dont get me wrong I am not a Hillary supporter....Warren/Sanders is my dream ticket.
Everyone else is bought out by the 1%.
2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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Bush was a former cokehead (and C student), also he was exceptionally dumb.
Dont get me wrong I am not a Hillary supporter....Warren/Sanders is my dream ticket.
Everyone else is bought out by the 1%.
meh - why waste brain power on someone who's not standing nor in the limelight (or held a big cabinet position, etc)....
Partly name recognition, partly the fact that she's served in two prominent, high level positions since leaving the WH in 2000. There's probably a bit of wanting to see Bill back in the WH again as well.
yeah - I agree with you and hence worry whether it's good enough to be the leader of the free world...
Elections are often just as much about popularity and likeability than just the underlying issues candidates represent.
She's as qualified as anyone else on her own merits.
She hasn't defined herself yet, so lets so how that goes. So far, the only ones who have attempted are her critics. Personally, the entire Democratic Party machine will likely be behind her, so its quite likely she will be the nominee, and from early indications, there aren't any GOP candidates so far with the ability to beat her.
What I've seen her say so far since she announced has been surprisingly lefty to me. From what I've read though Jim Messina is on her team for next year, which means her message will be extremely well targeted and executed by the end.
I don't pretend to know that much about US politics, but from what I've read, isn't it true that there's no realistic challenger in the primaries?
Who do you think are viable candidates for the 2016 election?
This time that's correct, although this would be a one off. There's usually a lot of competition among contenders.
Donald Trump is running.
But we did laugh it off....... at Trumps humiliation.
Couldn't care less for Bush myself and regardless of what he was he was still the president of the United States and got a huge amount of disrespect. Obama has been just as ineffectual and his backing down on Obamacare taking it from a true universal healthcare option in the USA to the full plan orignally made by Nixon in the seventies was horrendous. So as far as I'm concerned they're as bad as each other. I also couldn't care less for any of the candidates I see no truly progressive person who will take away from the 1% on any of the candidates.
That was the one just before the Bin Laden raid as well!
That is quite literally one the biggest public rinses ever. Called him "the Donald" for fecks sake. That alone is an absolute ruiner.
She's also too fecking old!
That's just cracked me up all over again. Moon landing, Roswell, where are Biggie and 2pac?
It's finally happened. 
You seriously think Obama is as bad as Bush?
Bush left 2 wars and full blown financial meltdown in his wake....at least Obama tried to give the people health care.
Sanders is the only candidate who is serious about cleaning up wall street.
Obama likekly couldn't have gotten Obamacare through in it's original form even if he'd wanted to. It wasn't backing down, it was politics. Trying to introduce national healthcare fully blown into a country where half the population still think it's the first step to communism was about as realistically feasible as an instant, blanket gun ban.
Yup and I actually like Obama. I think he's a very charming guy but his presidency has been just as bad. The financial crisis was the result of over 20 years and can't be laid as the fault of Bush. I blame Clinton more for removing Glass Steagal in 99 as the final nail that created the crisis. Don't get me wrong I think Bush was a terrible president all I'm trying to say is he got jut as much disrespect for his position as President.
When you're elected in with a majority on the back of a universal healthcare reform plan promising hope and change and you're the man to take on the lobbyists to then pander to the demands of the opposition and not bringing you're own party in line then creating a Healthcare system that invited the lobbyists in and was the biggest kiss off to the insurance industry you could imagine, then it is more than just backing down for me, it's outright betrayal. The timing was right for the introduction, they'd just elected a president on the back of it.
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Just being objective?
Has this 'query' ever been asked of any other president? And with such fervour and aggression?
The whole thing got traction because there is an incredibly aggressive wing of the Republican party who has been trying to find any way to disrupt Obama since he started his presidency, with a very poorly disguised ahem "undercurrent".
PS: That poster is not objective and no other president has been treated with such disrespect from day 1. From asking Obama to see his birth certificate, then long form birth certificate to senators screaming at him calling him a liar during a session in congress....the list goes on and on....can you imagine if Barack had started 2 wars based on lies and led the country into financial ruin how the right would have acted? They would have probably all out revolted by now.
BENGHAZI!!!!111!!
Barack Obama seems to be highly ineffectual - but again, that's from a UK person looking in.
Re: Hilary - I dunno, I just don't like her air of arrogance after what seems to be scandal after scandal....I mean the email thing, seems no one is talking about that here?(!) Her sense of entitlement/inevatibility/call-it-what-you-will turns me off IMHO.
Trump is a breath of fresh air. A genuine democratic alternative to the dynasties. I thing all billionaires should vote for him.
This season of Republican Primaries is looking to be a good one. I didn't think it was going to be anywhere near as good as last season, but adding Donald Trump to the cast list is a stroke of genius. I just hope he makes it at least until the primary debates.
He needs to get into the top 10 in the polls.
The Republicans are easily stupid enough for him to manage that.
I doubt Trump will be in the debates. The GOP establishment will try to keep him out to avoid him smearing their "normal" contenders with his circus brush.
I think the arrogance was much more apparent in 2008. She seems to have toned it down a notch this time around.
Ordinarily I would agree with you, but did you see the bunch they had last time? It was a zoo. It has been for a while.
For Christ's sake, Sarah Palin was the GOP choice for vice-president!
There was a riveting 30 minute interview of Bill Clinton on The Daily Show last night. He's one of the smartest men to have been POTUS and although you may not care too much for Hillary, they will make a formidable team if she gets elected. To have him in the background as her most trusted advisor will be a huge advantage for her.
When you see an idiot like Trump give a speech like he did the other day and then watch Clinton speak eloquently and intelligently on a range of issues, you have to wonder what the feck is wrong with this country that we'd even consider a feckwitt like The Donald for office.
When you see an idiot like Trump give a speech like he did the other day and then watch Clinton speak eloquently and intelligently on a range of issues, you have to wonder what the feck is wrong with this country that we'd even consider a feckwitt like The Donald for office.
What the feck is wrong with a country that re-elected both Bush & Obama, now they should put another political family back in office that is as much, if not more, a corporate whore than any of the others in the potential field of candidates?
System is broken, privilege looking to continue to flourish. Americans are fecked which means we all are
System is broken, privilege looking to continue to flourish. Americans are fecked which means we all are
To be honest I'm moving towards Raoul's position on this - after Hillary, which dynasty has another presidential candidate ready to run? We're looking at the exception of the last 25 years and treating it as the norm. There needs to be massive reform on campaign finance undoubtedly, and Clinton to her credit has already talked about it.
The problem with this approach, as is the case every election with the lesser of evils approach is that it has done absolutely nothing to course correct the county
And anyone who has followed Hillary should know full well what sort of corporate stooge she is
The bigger issue with the system and potential candidates is that its left to career politicians (invariably bought off) and big money (undoubtedly paid off). It's no different, IMHO, to how corrupt organizationally FIFA is - one stepping down & another jumping in isn't changing a damn thing.
You can't expect different results with the same approach, everytime
And anyone who has followed Hillary should know full well what sort of corporate stooge she is
The bigger issue with the system and potential candidates is that its left to career politicians (invariably bought off) and big money (undoubtedly paid off). It's no different, IMHO, to how corrupt organizationally FIFA is - one stepping down & another jumping in isn't changing a damn thing.
You can't expect different results with the same approach, everytime
Corporations are part of the capitalist system and aren't going anywhere. If anything, electing Hillary will probably ensure a left leaning Supreme Court which will have a ripple effect on issues like campaign finance reform and a variety of other things. The likes of Sanders don't have any more chance for the left as Ted Cruz and Santorum have on the right.
Hillary and getting money out of politics. Now I have heard it all. I agree with @FCBarca
The "lesser of two evils" logic is integral part of the problem.
I agree with @FCBarca The "lesser of two evils" logic is integral part of the problem.
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