No, it's not just you. However I think that City result drained our morale, as many predicted it would. That's why many on here were saying it was a must win, or at least a draw. Pogba, Ibra, Rashford ect went from being on top of the world to being dominated by a City team we were supposed to be challenging for the title. It's got to have had an impact in our recent form, and it's up to Jose to find a way to pull us back up.
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No, it's not just you. However I think that City result drained our morale, as many predicted it would. That's why many on here were saying it was a must win, or at least a draw. Pogba, Ibra, Rashford ect went from being on top of the world to being dominated by a City team we were supposed to be challenging for the title. It's got to have had an impact in our recent form, and it's up to Jose to find a way to pull us back up.
People do realise we're only 5 games into the League season right? Pretty much every incoming manager has yet to figure out his best team & who he can trust the most.
Arsenal have the 2nd best squad in the League but will bottle like always while Liverpool are still very much an enigma at this point.
Arsenal have the 2nd best squad in the League but will bottle like always while Liverpool are still very much an enigma at this point.
Loosing to City should not be considered a failure or should not affect our Morale. Whether we like it or not, they are a top side with some brilliant players. Also, I think we were decent in second half.
What affects us the most is to not bounce back and win against Watford. We played horrible in that game.
What affects us the most is to not bounce back and win against Watford. We played horrible in that game.
Wrong. Read my post again, the one that you quoted.
Fully settled United squad is better than arsenal, not by too much mind. arsenal's problem is that they will get injuries for sure.
Sorry, yeah that was a different poster.
Losing at home, while being absolutely made a joke of in the first half should definitely affect morale imo. I wouldn't mind if it was at City's place, but it was on our own turf.
Fitting into a 4-3-3 formation, arsenal have a better keeper, better CBs, LB, playmaker (Ozil vs Fabregas) and B2B (Ramsey vs Oscar/Matic). That is 6 positions where they are clearly better than Chelsea. Then you have RB and wings that are about equal.
Only positions better for Chelsea are DM and ST.
No. Just no.
Yeaaah because there couldn't possibly be another reason we didn't win the title last year
We were midtable in distance covered when Klopp came in and ended up in second place, we certainly didn't look knackered towards the end of the season. We ended as bad as we did because the players needed time to understand Klopp's system, because we started focusing too much on the Europa League near the end and because we simply weren't good enough. Probably not, but you never know. Even then, Liverpool could just as easily improve as well as the season goes on because we've got four new starters as well. This is all just speculation, let's say I'd rather be in our position than in yours at this moment.Kentonio said:
No, we're relying on having a better squad. Why you would think Arsenals is stronger is bizarre quite frankly. I suppose you'd sign Giroud over Costa or Iwobi over Hazard right?
Pick a match up that suits you right?
I'd take Sanchez and Ozil over Hazard and Costa on each and every day of the week and twice on Sunday's. I'd like nothing more than those 2 to leave Arsenal, but alas they are still there.
I also as yet see no reason to believe that Conte is going to be a good PL manager, winning a one team league with easily the best players is one thing, finishing higher than other fairly evenly matched squads is another altogether. His running up and down the touch line like a fool doesn't convince me that he's smart, in control or tactically astute, in fact quite the opposite.
Arsenal on the other hand are tried and tested and although they may not win enough big games they will consistently put the lesser teams to the sword, it's what they do.
I say Arsenal has the second best squad on paper, however, Arsenal are so injury prone....
Arsenal is definitely going to be top 4 this season along with City and Spurs. The other spot is up for grabs though
Combined Arsenal-Chelsea team
Thibo
Bellerin-Kos-Luiz-Monreal
Kante-Santi/Cesc
Sanchez-Ozil-Hazard
Costa
Arsenal is definitely going to be top 4 this season along with City and Spurs. The other spot is up for grabs though
Combined Arsenal-Chelsea team
Thibo
Bellerin-Kos-Luiz-Monreal
Kante-Santi/Cesc
Sanchez-Ozil-Hazard
Costa
City are the only definite for top 4.
United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are fighting for the other three spots.
I think Liverpool will get there, but it is very hard to tell with the others. I don't think Spurs are as strong as they think they are and with injuries, would collapse.
United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are fighting for the other three spots.
I think Liverpool will get there, but it is very hard to tell with the others. I don't think Spurs are as strong as they think they are and with injuries, would collapse.
Arsenal have a meh squad.
I think Liverpool will finish 2nd however if there is a concern for Liverpool it might be that they are a bit more we'll score more than you. I think they might at some point need to think about sacrificing some flair for more solidity, if they do I think they'll definitely do very well this season.
Juve were 7th in the league for two seasons running before Conte. Then went the enture season unbeaten with Conte. They hardly had any of the leagues best players when Conte started. They did not spend any real money on the transfers in 2011 either while the likes of Napoli and Inter were spending heavily each season.
Its simply delusional to think Conte had it easy in Italy.
Take Cech over Courtois and Mustafi over Luiz, but Azpilicueta over Bellerin. That would be the strongest combined 11.
Spurs fans...
Tried, tested and failed to win the league consistently for the last 13 seasons. Then again, by you guys standards that pretty recent I guess.
Spurs fans...
Tried, tested and failed to win the league consistently for the last 13 seasons. Then again, by you guys standards that pretty recent I guess.
You should read more carefully as I haven't once suggested that Arsenal will win the title this season, I think City will win in a canter.
What I said was Arsenal have better players than Chelsea, and to give Arsenal praise above anybody doesn't amuse me but I do begrudgingly respect them.
Aww bless, loser high-fives all around.
I have to concede that is a really funny post, really really funny.
Wit that sharp is wasted online, brilliant.
Arsenal have the second best squad?
A squad that has Gabriel, Mertesacaker, Gibbs, Debuchy, Holding, Coquelin, Elneny, Welbeck, OX, Walcott and Sanogo....
A squad that has Gabriel, Mertesacaker, Gibbs, Debuchy, Holding, Coquelin, Elneny, Welbeck, OX, Walcott and Sanogo....
Only two of those players are first 11. You can list squad fillers from any team in PL and they will look poor.
Ignoring the starting 11 the only players I missed out were Perez, Iwobi and Xhaka. Hardly anything great.
Starting 11 Arsenal can compete, but IMO the rest of the squad is lacking in quality. Chelsea have the likes of Fabregas, Moses, Luiz, Alonso, Pedro, Batshuayi and Zouma as back up. Arsenal have quantity over quality. I think Chelsea and United have slightly more quality in their squad personally.
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4 of 7 Chelsea the players you mention are not backup players. They are on bench just because Conte is trying to figure this team out.
The thing with Arsenal though is that you can argue such and such teams have better players but Arsenal are a very settled squad and have been for years.
No, we're relying on having a better squad. Why you would think Arsenals is stronger is bizarre quite frankly. I suppose you'd sign Giroud over Costa or Iwobi over Hazard right?
Sorry mate I got confused, I thought Chelsea came 10th last season and Arsenal 2nd, must have gotten things muddled up!
3..2..1...
That lineup was losing to Leicester second team yesterday
They won 4-2 and dominated the game.
Oh ok, they must be the 10th best squad in the league then.
Exactly. Juventus were hardly good team when Conte was signed and he deserves most of the credit for the way he shaped Juventus.
Btw, they spent lot of money. They spent 100 Million Euros that season
Spurs fans...
Tried, tested and failed to win the league consistently for the last 13 seasons. Then again, by you guys standards that pretty recent I guess.
Yeah but who cares about 12, 11 or even 10 years ago when discussing current squads? Irrelevant.
Arsenal are strong on paper and were second only to the freak that was Leicester last season. City are clearly the strongest team but second strongest could be any of a few teams, Arsenal being one of them. They're very consistent, more so than anyone other than city over the past 4 or 5 seasons, which when talking about current squads is far more relevant.
I'd also take ozil and sanchez over costa and hazard.
There is no title race. City are competing against themselves for the points record in the league.
Under Mourinho last season they were the 10th best.
This season, top 6 yes, but they'll be nowhere near being title challengers IMO.
I wouldn't mind if we were well into the season but spouting this stuff five games into the season is silly.
The exact same was said at this stage last season, when they won their opening 5 league games without conceding a single goal and played with incredible style and conviction. They came 4th.
Wasn't there even a thread after those 5 games, might even have been fewer, congratulating City on their title? I'm sure there was.
I don't think they'll finish 4th again, but there's an enormous distance to go yet. There's time for other teams to put it right, whilst there's also time for City to falter.
It's not the same though. I thought they were a bit shit in the first few games but still dispatched teams easily. I thought we stood a chance but they slapped us about without Aguero even on the pitch. They're still improving, and have built up a decent lead already with the most ruthless and consistent manager in the game.
To be honest though, cant predict anything until xmas. Even if one of the "contenders" goes 9pts behind now for example, can easily be clawed back by then. So first 10 games i ignore table completely
Yes. City are not going to have it as easy as they seem to have it now. They have issues in their team that have not been exposed until now but that will happen at some point this season.
Once United settle it and Jose knows his best formation/11 there will be a proper title race on.
Spurs fans...
Tried, tested and failed to win the league consistently for the last 13 seasons. Then again, by you guys standards that pretty recent I guess.
For a team so much better than Arsenal they're sure not showing it.
No, we're relying on having a better squad. Why you would think Arsenals is stronger is bizarre quite frankly. I suppose you'd sign Giroud over Costa or Iwobi over Hazard right?
You're right, completely bizarre.