i've always voted Conservative, weaste - since 1979
i've always voted Conservative, weaste - since 1979
The funny thing is that this is the same answer I always get when asking why those that will vote Tory are doing so. Always the state of the economy and Iraq, ignoring the fact that the economy had nothing to do with Labour and that the Tories too supported the Iraq war. This whole classy 'one-eyed crook' dig is also frequent among em.
Tosh
The Tories supported it based o he information at hand and been then there is at best mere conjecture to suggest that post-war handling of matters would have been the same.
Brown as Chancellor and then as PM is absolutely culpable, he nurtured financial regulatory system on the ground and left us in a right rotten position to deal with the aftermath.
And if the ones promoting public services are the Conservatives and Labour the ones cutting them in my area, well Brown truly does have not a toe to stand on.
The Conservatives will make cuts that Brown will not, take ID Cards for instance. There is a difference on tax policy also.
It isn't simply for the sake of it.
It does strike me as bizzare that supposedly intelligent people have fallen for Tory "change" rhetoric, when it is quite clearly just latching onto the coat-tails of Obama's success doing the same thing.
Well, as in the USA, we'll see just how much "change" there's been in the next twelve months... I'd wager feck all, but for bigger paypackets up the top end.
Well, as in the USA, we'll see just how much "change" there's been in the next twelve months... I'd wager feck all, but for bigger paypackets up the top end.
Good to see your dalliance with the Lib Dems didn't stick.
So your idea regarding change then actually has nothing to do with change, because you never felt the need for it in 1997, but felt the need for it in 2001?
no, weaste, the change we need is a change in government
I know what the Tory policies are thank you very much, and what you say is fannying about around the edges of what all of them are going to HAVE to do. The key issue here for me is to not feck about cutting now. I've said it before, the hole we are in is that deep that digging it a little further at this point will not make a jot of difference. Downing tools and trying to fill it in a piecemeal fashion by a foot or two could have serious consequences.
Should we at this late stage still be going over the same disputes that we have during nearly 3,000 posts in the other thread? 
How about local elections, were they occurring in your constituency also?
How about local elections, were they occurring in your constituency also?
Not a clue, and none of my business.
Yet we never needed one in 1997?
i didn't think so at the time!
Again, using the war as an excuse to vote Tory is meaningless, they took up the same stance as Blair in 2003. If you really were that opposed to it then you'd vote Lib Dem, or one of the smaller parties.
And how exactly did Brown mess up finances? He nationalised Northern Rock essentially saving deposits for many people, something the Tories opposed. And what makes you think George Osbourne of all people is qualified to do a better job as Chancellor?
Nick, no amount of national financial regulation was likely to have prevented this recession. This was born, bread and exported from the United States and the only thing with a chance of preventing the disaster was a global financial regulatory system - which Brown has been calling for ever since he became Chancellor. This crisis has affected every country in the world - I would have thought that was evidence enough that it's not the sole fault of the government of our one little country.
And if we're talking about the position of the public finances, let's get a few facts straight. The Tories promised to match Labour's spending plans in the last two elections, whilst at the same time promising tax cuts - so how you can say the public debt would have been any less under a Tory government is beyond me. Also, since the crisis begun, the Tories have got pretty much every call wrong, and would have plunged us ever deeper into the mire. They opposed the nationalisation and recapitalisation of the banks, they opposed quantitative easing, they opposed the VAT cut and they opposed the financial stimulus. I shudder to think where we'd be now if the Tories had been in power to stand back and let the economy crash and burn, out of some misguided sense of free market principles.
you aren't seriously absolving Blair of any blame are you?
But you thought so in 2001 and 2005?
you and i seem to be at cross purposes
what are we talking about, again?
( small recap from me - i would like change now, so we can oust brown & co but i've always been Conservative )
At the least he thinks Conservative responsibility to be equal to that of Labour's by the sounds of it. A nonsense.
Well I'm off out to get very drunk. See you all in the aftermath.
The thing that I'm challenging you on is that you say that you want change, but you have desired a perpetual Conservative government for 21 years. You have voted Conservative for the past 21 years, meaning that you have never actually wanted any change, as you've always voted the same no matter what the context or climate. In that case, you don't actually want change, you want the Conservative government that you have always wanted. You don't want change Erica, you want a Conservative government whether it is a change or not.
I think that he's saying that no British Government no matter what party it may have been would have done anything different.
I could only vote in the local election so I can't really put anything up there (Not UK citizen).. It sucks a bit, I live here and I work/pay taxes, yet I can't really choose who I want in charge of my hard-earned money.
Edit: I didn't come here to steal your jobs by the way. xoxo
Edit: I didn't come here to steal your jobs by the way. xoxo
would another leader not have waited for definitive proof of WMDs then?
No as whoever was in would have wanted to be seen to be acting alongside the USA at the time. Wouldn't have mattered who was in power we would have in all likelihood decided to act as we did.
Correct!
Well, I'm in the same boat in reverse. I can't vote in a Spanish general election, but I can vote in this one.
I'm surprised to see so few conservative votes on here.
liberal...
mainly because the mrs is american and they think liberal is a dirty word...
and i like dirty words!
actually hoping for a hung parliment and that they will have to introduce proportional representation
mainly because the mrs is american and they think liberal is a dirty word...
and i like dirty words!
actually hoping for a hung parliment and that they will have to introduce proportional representation
you don't think that the fact that blair was so firmly lodged up bush's bottom that it occluded his view?
you dont honestly think the conservatives would have been anywhere different do you...
Lets be honest here all leaders since Thatcher onwards were the same and sided with the USA on a lot of things, so no difference if it had been anyone else in power same would have happened.
i would like to think they would have waited for proof.
whatever you may think about Mrs T , she was never obsequious like blair
she would probably have waited for proof they were heading away from a war and then sunk them...
evil cnut of a woman...
and the best argument I heard against voting conservative is that that cow might get a state funeral...
She was even further up Reagan's arse. Of course she would've done the same thing - the Tories not hawkish?! when did that happen?
I don't like the idea of celebrating death.
I'd be tempted to crack out the champagne on the news of hers.
im going to the trafalga party to celebrate her death...
and like many others if they give her a state funeral I will be exercising my right to protest
We few hold the bastion of reason and anti-Labour sentiment but the mob are forever swarming at the walls.
Half of them as you can see, afford the guy a free pass on everything from Iraq to the economy to the EU to the constant lies, and all that may be found in between.
Even if we agree that war would have occurred, a replica of post-war actions is not within your power to know or have any certain justification to make a claim on.