19 children and 2 teachers killed in Texas school shooting (24 May 2022)

[mu4c_20le]

If someone decided tomorrow they want to go kill 15 people they will do it with or without a gun.

This is true, if the person was determined enough, like a terrorist. But for your average antisocial teenager it will require a lot of balls to massacre that many people up close as opposed to the simple pull of a trigger.

I’ll tell you what if someone came into my school with a AR-15 I would rather be the guy with a Glock that has a chance to take the gunman down and in turn save other lives then be massacred.

Don't you think you'd have an easier chance against someone with a knife or machete, instead of going on a wild shoot out with someone who woke up with the intent to kill?

 

[calodo2003]

I know about your unequal senator numbers, I didn't know the the term was land voting.
What's the legal procedure to change the senator numbers and can it be done?

I may be using the term incorrectly, but that’s what I’ve always called it.

Not sure on any legal procedure, there are those much more erudite on that on this thread.

 

[carvajal]

Heartbreaking, poor children and poor parents. What can go through someone's head to act in such a way against innocent people?

 

[Wibble]

Criminals will always find a way to get illegal gun. Banning weapons and the right to bear arms and protect yourself just leaves you defence less against these shooters.

All these schools should have trained and armed security personnel. Ex military or law enforcement.

After something like this thinking we don’t need guns is absurd.

Criminals will always have access to guns, banning guns help the criminals more then the innocent.

Why not arm the teachers. And primary kids? What could possibly go wrong?

If there is an event that proves that guns should be virtually banned it is this.

 

[Wibble]

I am and I have the right to my opinion as does everyone else.

And everyone has the right to think your opinion is idiotic.

 

[Wibble]

It might be comedy but ...

 

[calodo2003]

That’s another thing that shouldn’t be sold to the general public - Kevlar anything. There’s just no need for it.

 

[calodo2003]

 

[MarylandMUFan]

That’s another thing that shouldn’t be sold to the general public - Kevlar anything. There’s just no need for it.

It's nuts. You can not only be kitted out like a swat team member but you can have bullet proof fashion items as well: https://bulletproofzone.com/collections/adult-bulletproof-clothing

 

[Wibble]

So God is letting this stuff happen until more people believe or something?

 

[calodo2003]

A World Central Kitchen team has been dispatched to Uvalde to ensure that those affected by this tragedy will not have to worry about food during the coming days.

Andrés is the fecking man.

 

[fergies coat]

Your going to get as much help from God as you would Santa Claus.

 

[MarylandMUFan]

A World Central Kitchen team has been dispatched to Uvalde to ensure that those affected by this tragedy will not have to worry about food during the coming days.

Andrés is the fecking man.

I swear, he is better at the logistics of feeding people than any other government or NGO. If we had knighthood, he surely would be knighted by now.

 

[calodo2003]

I swear, he is better at the logistics of feeding people than any other government or NGO. If we had knighthood, he surely would be knighted by now.

I literally started tearing up when I just heard this.

I’d love to see him get nominated for the NPP. He’d be in the discussion that year, no doubt.

 

[Carolina Red]

fecking hell. She started off on the right track and then completely veered off course

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

The count is now 18 kids and 3 adults dead.

 

[Wilt]

Tragically, everyone knows this will happen again, and again.

Vicious circle of madness.

 

[SportingCP96]

This is true, if the person was determined enough, like a terrorist. But for your average antisocial teenager it will require a lot of balls to massacre that many people up close as opposed to the simple pull of a trigger.


Don't you think you'd have an easier chance against someone with a knife or machete, instead of going on a wild shoot out with someone who woke up with the intent to kill?

My point is the guy who wants the gun will still get it…criminals have illegal guns all the time. So if someone wanted to do it they would have a gun and you would just sit and watch as you mowed down.

 

[SportingCP96]

And everyone has the right to think your opinion is idiotic.

As I think yours is equally if not more.

 

[SportingCP96]

I think you’ve watched Red Dawn too many times.

And the UKs murder rate was lower by 2005 (there were multiple reasons for the small increase around 97) and has been every year since…. and we still haven’t been invaded by Russia.

Just cause you haven’t been invaded yet does not mean it won’t happen. Let me remind you of 1942.

 

[Wibble]

As I think yours is equally if not more.

The difference is I'm right. I'd also guess that you haven't been the victim of gun crime.

 

[calodo2003]

Just cause you haven’t been invaded yet does not mean it won’t happen. Let me remind you of 1942.

A militia wouldn’t stop invaders.

 

[calodo2003]

 

[Wibble]

My point is the guy who wants the gun will still get it…criminals have illegal guns all the time. So if someone wanted to do it they would have a gun and you would just sit and watch as you mowed down.

Do you know how hard it is to get an illegal gun? And the penalties for having one? Except possibly in the US where the millions of legal guns provide a fantastic source of stolen guns to feed the black market.

 

[Wibble]

A militia wouldn’t stop invaders.

"You are bringing guns to a drone fight" Jim Jefferies

 

[MarylandMUFan]

My point is the guy who wants the gun will still get it…criminals have illegal guns all the time. So if someone wanted to do it they would have a gun and you would just sit and watch as you mowed down.

First of all, no person having a serious conversation is trying to ban all guns. It's an non starter. What we want is legislation. I need to be 21 to drink, need to pass safety courses and vision check-ins to get and keep a drivers license. It's ridiculous to think we can't have sensible things like that for gun ownership. To you other point, I don't want to be freeking Rambo. If I am shopping with my family and someone starts shooting, my first thought isn't "wow, wish I had a gun". My first thought would be "how to I get my family and myself the hell out of there.

 

[Wibble]

First of all, no person having a serious conversation is trying to ban all guns. It's an non starter. What we want is legislation. I need to be 21 to drink, need to pass safety courses and vision check-ins to get and keep a drivers license. It's ridiculous to think we can't have sensible things like that for gun ownership. To you other point, I don't want to be freeking Rambo. If I am shopping with my family and someone starts shooting, my first thought isn't "wow, wish I had a gun". My first thought would be "how to I get my family and myself the hell out of there.

In the US particularly. Even elsewhere a total ban would be hard. Shame.

 

[mu4c_20le]

 

[MarylandMUFan]

These people are brainwashed and bought by the gun lobby. Nothing will change. Even worse, this Supreme Court will always side with the gun lobby.

 

[SportingCP96]

The difference is I'm right. I'd also guess that you haven't been the victim of gun crime.

Your right ? Why because you say so?

 

[Frosty]

What on earth happened in 1942?

 

[calodo2003]

What on earth happened in 1942?

Allied invasion of North Africa?

 

[SportingCP96]

A militia wouldn’t stop invaders.

I rather have A chance then no chance.

 

[njred]

I 100% agree with your first paragraph.

As for the last one it’s never that thought out, it’s all a reaction and these guys aren’t doing research on what people at shop rite do or don’t carry a gun.

All I’m saying is if a gunman was shooting a mall up and he was 50 feet away from you and your family your going to wish you had a gun and knew how to use it.

As you said, 1000% their should be stricter laws on being able to acquire guns but banning them out right is just stupid.

Its not stupid. Tell that to one of the parents. No guns means less chance of one being used. Ok you still will have gang violence, drug related killings but the usual typical mass shooter will find it much harder to carry out these horrific acts. If the government passed a law I would have no issue turning in any weapon. These are kids who are dying. Also wasn’t there a cop on the scene before this kid got in the school who called for backup while the shooter went on a rampage? Did the cop have a gun? How did that work out. Maybe I don’t know all the details of the cop but if kids are going to be killed you give your life for them.If it was my kid who got shot they would have to drag me from the Senate and god help any idiot who thinks more guns is the answer and says it to my face.

 

[calodo2003]

I rather have A chance then no chance.

As someone rightly said earlier, you’ve seen ‘Red Dawn’ far too often.

 

[Wibble]

Your right ? Why because you say so?

No, because the idea that more guns is the answer to gun crime is insane and is totally contradicted by all of the evidence. The number of guns owned always increases the rate (not just the number) of gun deaths. Which is why the US has such a horrendous rate of gun deaths.

If you plotted # of deaths rather than rate per 100k the line would be heading almost north.

 

[atkar83]

Your going to get as much help from God as you would Santa Claus.

She doesn't actually believe in god. She's playing a role and this gets her money from the morons in her base.

 

[calodo2003]

Its not stupid. Tell that to one of the parents. No guns means less chance of one being used. Ok you still will have gang violence, drug related killings but the usual typical mass shooter will find it much harder to carry out these horrific acts. If the government passed a law I would no issue turning in any weapon. These are kids who are dying. Also wasn’t there a cop on the scene before this kid got in the school who called for backup while the shooter went on a rampage? Did the cop have a gun? How did that work out. If it was my kid who got shot they would have to drag me from the Senate and god help any idiot who thinks more guns is the answer and says it to my face.

It’s never going to be zero sum, any lessening of gun violence by whatever common sense method is a good thing. Cigarettes weren’t banned, they just had restrictions placed on where they could be smoked. Hundreds of thousands of people’s lives were saved yearly worldwide by these common sense restrictions. The same thing can happen for gun control.

 

[Frosty]

The "use of arms for resistance" is based in 17th century English law. Which aimed to protect Protestants against Catholics.

The Bill of Rights 1689 restated the ancient rights of the people to bear arms by reinstating the right of Protestants to have arms after they had been disarmed by James II. It follows closely the Declaration of Rights made in Parliament in February 1689. The Bill of Rights text declares that "the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law".

Whereas the late King James the Second, by the Assistance of divers evil Counsellors, Judges, and Ministers, employed by Him, did endeavour to subvert and extirpate the Protestant Religion, and the Laws and Liberties of this Kingdom ... (b)y assuming and exercising a Power of dispensing with and suspending of Laws, and the Execution of Laws, without Consent of Parliament ... (b)y causing several good Subjects, being Protestants, to be disarmed, at the same Time when Papists were both armed and employed contrary to Law ... (a)ll which are utterly and directly contrary to the known Laws and Statutes and Freedom of this Realm ... the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons, pursuant to their respective Letters and Elections, being now assembled in a full and free Representative of this Nation, taking into their most serious Consideration the best Means for attaining the Ends aforesaid, do in the First Place (as their Ancestors in like Case have usually done), for the vindicating and asserting their ancient Rights and Liberties, Declare, ... That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence, suitable to their Condition, and as allowed by Law.

 

[calodo2003]

No, because the idea that more guns is the answer to gun crime is insane and is totally contradicted by all of the evidence. The number of guns owned always increases the rate (not just the number) of gun deaths. Which is why the US has such a horrendous rate of gun deaths.

If you plotted # of deaths rather than rate per 100k the line would be heading almost north.

Any inkling why ZA wasn’t included in this?