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[Iker Quesadillas]

3rd LaLiga title: Played 1875 minutes, started 3, was subbed in 3 times and stayed on the bench twice in the last 8 matches despite being fit. Scored 15 and assisted 6. In other words far from the key player in the team.

This is a questionable analysis.

Real Madrid won the league title with 4 matches to go and were certain to win many matches beforehand, that's why he didn't play much in the last games. Neither did Bellingham nor Rodrygo.
He was the team's highest goalscorer (24 goals) and the 2nd highest goalscorer for them in the league (15 goals). How can he be "far" from the key player when he's 1st/2nd on goals?

 

[Grand Vizier]

I just had to comment on this one.
I think it's early days for Yamal still, but this hype for Vini is a bit funny.

Dribbling:
Out of all the players of the list (including the Yeti) who do you think have the lowest successrate on his dribbling?
Vinicius Jr. - 36,9% (65 out of 176 attempt last season in LaLiga)
Yamal - 43,8% (70 out of 160 attempts)
Musiala top the list with 56,5%
Vini tops the list of attempts per 90 though...

Possession lost because of miscontrol per 90. Who tops the list?
Vini.

Passing:
Who has the lowest completed pass ratio:
Vini 72,5%
Take Haaland out of the list and who do you think has the fewest key passes, progressive passes and successfull passes into penalty area:
Vini is lowest in every category.
He had 2 completed crosses into the penalty area in LaLiga last season.

Shall we go through the defensive numbers (take away Haaland and Mbappe)?:
Worst in every category.

The arguement that Vini has won so much compared to the others with his 3 LaLigas and 2 CLs:
First LaLiga title: He played 1355 minutes and contributed 2 goals and 3 assists
2nd LaLiga title: He was good, but was playing 2nd fiddle to Benz. Played 2700 minutes and scored 17 + assisted 13
3rd LaLiga title: Played 1875 minutes, started 3, was subbed in 3 times and stayed on the bench twice in the last 8 matches despite being fit. Scored 15 and assisted 6. In other words far from the key player in the team.
1 CL title: He was good, scored in the final, but was playing 2nd fiddle to Benz.
2nd CL title: Again he was good and scored in the final.

He is fast and he has x-factor, but he is far from the best in the world.

He is so far from being the best in the world that he is about to win Balon d'Or. Now, how does that make sense? The winner isn't necessarily the best, but they are certainly not far from it.

Your whole post is just a stat ramble. Maybe you should watch them play football one day. It is quite frankly hard to take posts like these serious, because it's just a bunch of statistics with no context behind. Take a look at Rüdiger's fbref stats and you'd think he is the worst centre back from the Polish third division.

 

[troylocker]

This is a questionable analysis.

Real Madrid won the league title with 4 matches to go and were certain to win many matches beforehand, that's why he didn't play much in the last games. Neither did Bellingham nor Rodrygo.
He was the team's highest goalscorer (24 goals) and the 2nd highest goalscorer for them in the league (15 goals). How can he be "far" from the key player when he's 1st/2nd on goals?

Far from a key player is a stretch, but he wasn't their most important player or their best player.

He played 62% of the minutes in the league last season
Stat's underneath are Real Madrid players with more than 1000 minutes last season:
7 players had more minutes
7 players had more key passes per 90
0 players had more shots per 90
He only scored 2 goals including a pen against the top 8 teams (13 against the bottom 10) and was involved in a total of 23% of Real Madrid goals in LaLiga (He scored 6% of Real's goals against the top 8 (of the 31 goals they scored) and 23% against the bottom 10).

He didn't contribute to a single goal from the bench.
Real Madrid without Vini in their starting 11: 13W, 3D, 1L - 2,47 points/game
Real Madrid with Vini in their starting 11: 12W, 5D, 0L - 2,41 points/game

His goalscoring stats against the 6 clubs with most top 6 finishes in LaLiga the last 5 seasons (Barca 2/10, Athletico 0/10, Atletic Bilbao 0/9, Real Sociedad 3/10, Sevilla 1/9, Villareal 2/11):
Total: 8 goals in 59 games..... almost without defensive responsibilities.

Let's compare last LaLiga season to Bellinghams:
Bellingham scored 9 against the top 8 last season.

Passes per 90: Vini 24, Bellingham 53
Passcompletion: Vini 72,3%, Bellingham 88,3%
Key passes per 90: Vini 1,45, Bellingham 1,87
Progressive passes per 90: Vini 2,75 , Bellingham 7,62

Number of dribbling attempts per 90: Vini 8,5 - Bellingham 3,8
Successfull dribbles per 90: Vini 3,1 - Bellingham 1,95
Successrate: Vini 36,9% - Bellingham 51,5%
Tackled while dribbling and miscontrol (lead to loss of possession) per 90: Vini 8,0 - Bellingham 3,4
Here's an interesting one (so much for all the takeons):
Takeons that lead to a shot: Vini 19 - Bellingham 8
Takeons that lead to a goal: Vini 1 - Bellingham 1

Tackles: Vini 13, Bellingham 34
Interception: Vini 1, Bellingham 21
Blocks: Vini 13, Billingham 55
Clearances: Vini 3, Billingham 17
Errors leading to a shot: Vini 2, Bellingham 0
Aerial duels won: Vini 1 - Bellingham 24

Here's how the other atting players on the list did against the top 8 teams in their league last season:
Haaland: 8 goals
Foden: 7 goals
Saka: 4 goals
Palmer: 8 goals
Yamal: 1 goal
Wirtz: 4 goals
Musiala: 1 goal
Mbappe: 9 goals

Players on the list with more goalcontributions than Vini (35) last season:
Foden(39), Palmer(42), Bellingham(36), Wirtz (38), Mbappe(54) and Haaland(43).

And as already mentioned: from all the players on the list....
...Only Haaland and Mbappe had worse defensive contributions numbers
...Vini had the lowest completed passes %'age
...Vini had the lowest successrate for dribbles

Some in here claims that Vini is literally the best player in the world. I don't agree. Top 5 at Real Madrid more accurate.
Like I said earlier: He has pace, x-factor and has scored in 2 CL finals, so definitely an exciting player, just not a 200M man for me.

If Yamal continues on the trajectory he's on right now, Mbappe and Haaland will get some serious competition for the Ballon d'ors to come.

 

[Grand Vizier]

Far from a key player is a stretch, but he wasn't their most important player or their best player.

He played 62% of the minutes in the league last season
Stat's underneath are Real Madrid players with more than 1000 minutes last season:
7 players had more minutes
7 players had more key passes per 90
0 players had more shots per 90
He only scored 2 goals including a pen against the top 8 teams (13 against the bottom 10) and was involved in a total of 23% of Real Madrid goals in LaLiga (He scored 6% of Real's goals against the top 8 (of the 31 goals they scored) and 23% against the bottom 10).

He didn't contribute to a single goal from the bench.
Real Madrid without Vini in their starting 11: 13W, 3D, 1L - 2,47 points/game
Real Madrid with Vini in their starting 11: 12W, 5D, 0L - 2,41 points/game

His goalscoring stats against the 6 clubs with most top 6 finishes in LaLiga the last 5 seasons (Barca 2/10, Athletico 0/10, Atletic Bilbao 0/9, Real Sociedad 3/10, Sevilla 1/9, Villareal 2/11):
Total: 8 goals in 59 games..... almost without defensive responsibilities.

Let's compare last LaLiga season to Bellinghams:
Bellingham scored 9 against the top 8 last season.

Passes per 90: Vini 24, Bellingham 53
Passcompletion: Vini 72,3%, Bellingham 88,3%
Key passes per 90: Vini 1,45, Bellingham 1,87
Progressive passes per 90: Vini 2,75 , Bellingham 7,62

Number of dribbling attempts per 90: Vini 8,5 - Bellingham 3,8
Successfull dribbles per 90: Vini 3,1 - Bellingham 1,95
Successrate: Vini 36,9% - Bellingham 51,5%
Tackled while dribbling and miscontrol (lead to loss of possession) per 90: Vini 8,0 - Bellingham 3,4
Here's an interesting one (so much for all the takeons):
Takeons that lead to a shot: Vini 19 - Bellingham 8
Takeons that lead to a goal: Vini 1 - Bellingham 1

Tackles: Vini 13, Bellingham 34
Interception: Vini 1, Bellingham 21
Blocks: Vini 13, Billingham 55
Clearances: Vini 3, Billingham 17
Errors leading to a shot: Vini 2, Bellingham 0
Aerial duels won: Vini 1 - Bellingham 24

Here's how the other atting players on the list did against the top 8 teams in their league last season:
Haaland: 8 goals
Foden: 7 goals
Saka: 4 goals
Palmer: 8 goals
Yamal: 1 goal
Wirtz: 4 goals
Musiala: 1 goal
Mbappe: 9 goals

Players on the list with more goalcontributions than Vini (35) last season:
Foden(39), Palmer(42), Bellingham(36), Wirtz (38), Mbappe(54) and Haaland(43).

And as already mentioned: from all the players on the list....
...Only Haaland and Mbappe had worse defensive contributions numbers
...Vini had the lowest completed passes %'age
...Vini had the lowest successrate for dribbles

Some in here claims that Vini is literally the best player in the world. I don't agree. Top 5 at Real Madrid more accurate.
Like I said earlier: He has pace, x-factor and has scored in 2 CL finals, so definitely an exciting player, just not a 200M man for me.

If Yamal continues on the trajectory he's on right now, Mbappe and Haaland will get some serious competition for the Ballon d'ors to come.

I have to applaud the effort you put into it, despite nearly every single Real Madrid fan will disagree with you and say he is their best and most important player. No matter what defensive workrate stat or low success rate stat you come up with are going to change their mind. The difference in dribbling success rate is like 0.7% between each other and you use that to "prove" one player is better than the other.

Statistically, Luis Sinisterra from Bournemouth was a better dribbler than Salah last season. Do you think he is?

 

[troylocker]

He is so far from being the best in the world that he is about to win Balon d'Or. Now, how does that make sense? The winner isn't necessarily the best, but they are certainly not far from it.

Your whole post is just a stat ramble. Maybe you should watch them play football one day. It is quite frankly hard to take posts like these serious, because it's just a bunch of statistics with no context behind. Take a look at Rüdiger's fbref stats and you'd think he is the worst centre back from the Polish third division.

Take the stat-rants as you like. Will he win the ballon d'or though?
He is almost ASM, with a lot worse dribbling and better endproduct.

I have to applaud the effort you put into it, despite nearly every single Real Madrid fan will disagree with you and say he is their best and most important player. No matter what defensive workrate stat or low success rate stat you come up with are going to change their mind. The difference in dribbling success rate is like 0.7% between each other and you use that to "prove" one player is better than the other.

Statistically, Luis Sinisterra from Bournemouth was a better dribbler than Salah last season. Do you think he is?

Vini's stats in LaLiga last season was pretty bad, also for him. Which is why it's a fun season to dig into.
When it comes to successrate and math, I must arrest you:
A player with a successrate of 51,5% has a 40% higher chance of getting past a defender than a guy with a successrate og 36,9%
Which is noteworthy. Don't you think?

What is it he is so good at? When stat's show that his passing is inaccurate, he' not very creative compared (chance creation) to his teammate or rivals, he loses possession more often than everyone else on the pitch and he is a passenger when you don't have the ball? I know RM-fans always have enjoyed a good stepover and showboating. He's great at that.

PS. Can't believe he's scored 5 goals for Brazil already. Only 24 years old.

Regarding Salah and dribling: Salah has lost a lot of pace and his dribbling numbers has dropped like a rock the last two seasons. Salah 3 years ago was a much better dribbler than this version. So yeah! Right now I'd probably put my money on Sinisterra between the two to get past a man.

 

[giorno]

Let's ask Bayern fans what Vinicius is good at

 

[Grand Vizier]

Take the stat-rants as you like. Will he win the ballon d'or though?
He is almost ASM, with a lot worse dribbling and better endproduct.



Vini's stats in LaLiga last season was pretty bad, also for him. Which is why it's a fun season to dig into.
When it comes to successrate and math, I must arrest you:
A player with a successrate of 51,5% has a 40% higher chance of getting past a defender than a guy with a successrate og 36,9%
Which is noteworthy. Don't you think?

What is it he is so good at? When stat's show that his passing is inaccurate, he' not very creative compared (chance creation) to his teammate or rivals, he loses possession more often than everyone else on the pitch and he is a passenger when you don't have the ball? I know RM-fans always have enjoyed a good stepover and showboating. He's great at that.

PS. Can't believe he's scored 5 goals for Brazil already. Only 24 years old.

Regarding Salah and dribling: Salah has lost a lot of pace and his dribbling numbers has dropped like a rock the last two seasons. Salah 3 years ago was a much better dribbler than this version. So yeah! Right now I'd probably put my money on Sinisterra between the two to get past a man.

You claim his stats in La Liga last season were bad, and that is frankly a shocking take. He played 1864 minutes, scored 15 goals and assisted 5. That is a goal or an assist roughly every 90 minutes. How is that "pretty bad"?

Since you're big on stats, let's take a look at them, using Vinicius, Yamal, Mbappé and Salah from 21/22 (his best season in terms of output).

Progressive Carries:
Vinicius: 6.92 per 90
Yamal: 5.23 per 90
Mbappé: 4.96 per 90
Salah: 4.07 per 90

Carries into Final Third:
Vinicius: 3.54 per 90
Yamal: 3.44 per 90
Mbappé: 2.56 per 90
Salah: 1.86 per 90

Carries into Penalty Area
Vinicius: 3.93 per 90
Yamal: 2.18 per 90
Mbappé: 2.91 per 90
Salah: 3.16 per 90

Miscontrols
Vinicius: 2.59 per 90
Yamal: 2.35 per 90
Mbappé: 2.45 per 90
Salah: 3.23 per 90

Dispossessed
Vinicius: 2.09 per 90
Yamal: 1.23 per 90
Mbappé: 2.45 per 90
Salah: 2.64 per 90

Key Passes
Vinicius: 2.01 per 90
Yamal: 1.82 per 90
Mbappé: 1.65 per 90
Salah: 2.02 per 90

Looking at this, I'm curious where you found your stats or how you managed to conclude Vinicius lose possession or miscontrols the ball much more than other players. If you take a look at success rate in dribbling then Vini and Yamal are very close to each other (Vini is on 40% and Yamal on 40.8%, but Vinicius attempts slightly more). Salah is just so far behind in attempts, there's no point including him. Mbappé is the standout here, although he attempts dribbling less than both Vinicius and Yamal.

If you want, you can look up Salah's passing stats from the 21/22 season and have a laugh, because they are ridiculous compared to Vinicius. So, using your own argument, what exactly is Salah good at? We all know the answer, we don't need statistics to try and tell us otherwise, exactly the same way we don't need statistics to try and tell us Vinicius isn't good at a particular aspect of the game, when it is clear to watchers what he is good at.

Rivaldo, Bellingham, Ancelotti, Ronaldo and Thierry Henry are among some that also think Vinicius Junior is the world's best player, but go ahead and show them your statistics to prove he isn't "close to it".