Haha exactly. right?
The players and the manager know we are not good enough, they know the defense/GK are not good enough. Just believing that you can do it will not magically make us better.
This isn’t a Disney film where believing it will make it happen, we were very obviously not quite there yet and the beginning of the season, and we’re not there yet now.
Maybe Carragher should focus more on how dogshit his own team have been.
Sports psychology is not a Disney film either. Many teams that weren’t the best have won titles due to building and maintaining confidence and developing a ruthless streak. Character and attitude definitely matters in top level sport hence there’s a whole a field of science on how to improve on it.
I honestly believe character has gotten us this far with the amount of in game set backs we overcome.Sports psychology is not a Disney film either. Many teams that weren’t the best have won titles due to building and maintaining confidence and developing a ruthless streak. Character and attitude definitely matters in top level sport hence there’s a whole a field of science on how to improve on it.
Sports psychology is not a Disney film either. Many teams that weren’t the best have won titles due to building and maintaining confidence and developing a ruthless streak. Character and attitude definitely matters in top level sport hence there’s a whole a field of science on how to improve on it.
Facts. This season will not be about what surnames we packed to accomplish XYZ. But rather that the club have missed the opportunities present. Carragher is absolutely correct the manager is not a driven winner in his current profession.
Absolutely but its not even limited to just sports but is this genuinely an aspect in life. Individuals who are driven, have high aspirations and have a focus will always excel and it's a contagious influence that's why when having an objective it's best to be around like-minded people collaboratively expounding the targets in reach of goals.
The moment Ole came out and disregarded the title is the moment we have conceded dropping points which have been winnable. The manager sets the expectation and we have a taken a broad direction rather than a specific one. Nothing but weak mentality.
We're good enough to not throw away the points we've been throwing away. And before we threw away those points, everyone was in agreement that we were in a title race (especially those who wouldn't hear criticism of the team or manager).Many of our fans were/are deluded tbh. We're not there yet for a proper title race
What does Carragher know about winning the league?
Yep! If only Ole had said we are title contenders.Absolutely but its not even limited to just sports but is this genuinely an aspect in life. Individuals who are driven, have high aspirations and have a focus will always excel and it's a contagious influence that's why when having an objective it's best to be around like-minded people collaboratively expounding the targets in reach of goals.
The moment Ole came out and disregarded the title is the moment we have conceded dropping points which have been winnable. The manager sets the expectation and we have a taken a broad direction rather than a specific one. Nothing but weak mentality.
Not just before the season. All along the narrative from the ‘experts‘ has been the scousers and City light years ahead of everybody, and now Liverpool are dropping away it’s suddenly City’s title to lose in a one horse race. Even when we were top of the league everybody was questioning if we were really in the race. Nobody questioned Leicester or Everton or Spurs when they were top, but rubbish old United must have fluked there way top. It’s really very dull now.Because that was before the season started......
And it's all well and good and calling it clever media management... but you don't know whether it is clever media management. Is it clever management if a lot of our players go and take Ole's public (and/or private) words on this subject to heart and feel elated about the idea of finishing 3rd again, regardless of how shit a season Liverpool and City have? And that reflects on their performances and effort in the last few months of the season?
Yes every manager downplays title expectations, but Ole has gone beyond that with his comments and put the season in the context of "well we're just happy to show a little bit of progress".
Are we supposed to expect Ole and the squad to just magically switch into "title-contender" mode next season? Almost like we paradoxically 'arrive' as title challengers before we can believe we're title challengers? Because make no mistake we had better be competing for the league next season or we'll have wasted another 3 seasons and will have truly morphed into another pathetic top-four-is-a-trophy club with no ambition. We're not fecking Arsenal. Finishing in the top four in consecutive seasons is not a valid achievement.
Yep. They won this by signing Dias and transforming their defence. I feel we arent that far away if we find our own equivalent.It's nothing to do with bottle. We don't have a good enough first 11. City have won this league thanks to having a top GK, CB pair and CDM, our big weaknesses.
The only hope we have left is that they suffer bad injuries.
Yep. They won this by signing Dias and transforming their defence. I feel we arent that far away if we find our own equivalent.
Neville and Keane have shared exactly the same sentiment. UCL, Treble, League winners. The context of who said it doesn't matter as the term states the proof is in the pudding and we have clearly taken our foot off the gas when we should have been hammering down our opportunities.
Yeah, we aren't far away at all. Our right wing is mediocre to decent because we have no natural right wingers, and then our defence and goalkeeper let's us down far too often. And it's not our fullbacks. It's the center backs. Our fullbacks are perfectly fine for whatever level we want to get to. Our center backs make far too many mistakes, and when they don't, our goalkeeper let's us down. Sort that trio out, sort out the right wing (Sancho or Diallo) and we'll challenge seriously, even with the midfield as is right now.Feck him , but I’d like us to challenging next year with a good transfer window in the summer. We’re not as far behind as a lot on here think we are.
What absolute shit are you dribbling.Facts. This season will not be about what surnames we packed to accomplish XYZ. But rather that the club have missed the opportunities present. Carragher is absolutely correct the manager is not a driven winner in his current profession.
What Ole says in public vs private may be two entirely different things. If Ole says they’re going for the title it sets them up for failure and media criticism. He could easily be telling the boys in private that they have the talent and ability to do it if they pull their fingers out of their arses.The fact he said that wouldn't bother me if it wasn't for Ole saying we're not in the race, which IMO is unacceptable. I would rather let the players know we're in the title race than set low expectations, even if winning it is very very unlikely with current squad.
Its the below par performances from our best players that does my head in. I consider martial one of our better players and even he cant muster the tenacity to win games on his own like he did after the restart. Then you have cowards like De gea who are a tax we have to pay every two games. Lets just finish strong and prepare well for next season because City has most likely won this one.Much like I said I agree with Ole when he said we're not in it, I agree with Carragher as well that we don't fancy ourselves. The amount of silly mistakes and needless dropped points and below par performances we've seen in the last month or so, after we did all the hard work of going on that great run of form to even get in this position, you don't see that in a title winning team. We were supposed to keep going, not fall off without even a whimper.
Of course, but saying at least something like "the race isn't over" is a strong statement to all around. It has a psychological impact. Saying we're not is just weak and invites comments like this from Carragher.What Ole says in public vs private may be two entirely different things. If Ole says they’re going for the title it sets them up for failure and media criticism. He could easily be telling the boys in private that they have the talent and ability to do it if they pull their fingers out of their arses.
Ole is like that 15 goal a season striker, who's not bad but you need the 20 goals per season striker to win the league. Sadly I think this year was a golden opportunity for us to win the league, with all the covid situation. Most likely next season we'll be back to business as usual and City and Liverpool will be making 90+ points. Do you think Ole can take us there even with an improved squad?
This is obviously somethings that’s been said a lot by pundits and fans alike but it’s kind of a nonsense and a serious moving shifting of goalposts.
Man City are still on course to win the title with 80-90 points. Theyve got 50 points, they have 16 games left, you’d imagine at the very least they’ll get about ten wins.
Nobody in their right mind would have expected us to get 80 points or more. We got 66 last season. We didn’t do anything in the summer to make a 14-24 point improvement with our playing squad. So this sort of “this was Uniteds best chance” “they should have kicked on” is kinda crap tbf. It’s not Leicester of 2016 who’d just escaped relegation the year before, that we are chasing. It’s still Man City.
It’s the very definition of moving goalposts. There is no chance in hell this United team hit 80-85 points by May, it just isn’t happening and that’s what is likely to be required to win the title.
When Carragher says shit like this it’s purely a way of throwing shade at us.
