I truly believe if he stays, he'll be instrumental for us next season.
I hope we don't sell.
I hope we don't sell.
Ángel Di María | Transferred to PSG
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Despite having an average season by his his standards, he was the player who had the most assists for us. People on here have been saying that this number is deceiving, nonetheless he was the best at creating chances, something which we massively struggled with. The stats back this up as well. He's also our best dribbler and probably the best going past an opponent by pure individual skill. If we'd sell him, we'd lack something like it. Memphis is going to struggle at times in his first season and Januzaj has to prove his talent again.
It's really not that hard to see what he can give us, especially if he's going to improve on his first season. One of the biggest reasons why I'm against selling him is that we already have enough changes in the dressing room and to the squad. We'll most likely bring in a centre-back and a striker, coupled with 4 players already coming in and the possibility of signing another goalkeeper, it's quite a huge change again just like last summer. Also, who's to say that his replacement is going to be a good signing? Pedro for example needs someone who creates opportunities for him, he'd be far from ideal. Signing someone like Lucas, Fekir or Felipe Anderson might not work out either. The only replacements I see for him that would definitely work are Bale, Isco, Reus, Müller and de Bruyne. Our chances of getting one of those are slim.
The underlying issue causing his complete loss of form was lack of confidence. During his first month or two, he was unbelievable, even when surrounded by a number of out of form players. The game against Germany illustrates that, when at full confidence, he's capable of ripping through any opposition, regardless of his starting position.
As the season wore on, he seemed to have levelled out with the rest of our team, and following his injury troubles, he was dropped after the red card incident versus Arsenal.
If we're able to get him back to level he was displaying during September/October, then we'll reap the rewards. It'd be a huge mistake letting him go. He's capable of much more, and I'd stop comparing him to Nani, as he's already illustrated that he's levels above him.
£45m would be a fair price for him. We clearly overpaid in the first place just to secure the signature, and coming off a poor 2nd half of the season we won't re coup or money. We either need to stick with him and give him every chance possible, or get rid all together.
The number of assists is an ultimate argument for people who defend him. He is creative because he isn’t afraid to try difficult things. But with that comes a lot of risk, and van Gaal doesn’t like that. I think we shouldn’t sell him if there is no replacement, but like I said, we would be a better team with Pedro than Di Maria. The bolded part is irrelevant because Di Maria was never an important player for us in the second part of the season, when we clicked. Also, he won’t be available for a few weeks so we can bring a replacement who will start training with us in a few days really. It’s not like ADM is essential/key player for us right now.
I don’t think he was unbelievable, probably the best player on the pitch in a few games though. But we played him in midfield and we were gung-ho. I believe that’s what he likes, but we will never play like that again.
The game vs Germany is an example of how good he is in counter attacking team versus a team that defends high and values possession over everything, and we already knew that. This friendly game is massively overblown.
It’s not like he’s a bad player, I just think he doesn’t fit in van Gaal way of playing.
This would mean that any player similar to di Maria doesn't fit, too i.e. most creative players.
Not every player who is creative is as wasteful as Di Maria though.
I think we need an attacking/creative player who is good at dribbling in tight spaces - players like Sanchez or Hazard would excel in our system.
I think Di Maria will be just fine here next season if he mans up a bit and deals with the challenge instead of running off at his first chance. Are people forgetting we only handed him the number 7 shirt last year? If he didn't fit in with van Gaals philosophy and plans I really don't think we would have gone through the trouble of signing him in the first place. I'd be pretty shocked if we agreed to sell him, unless he desperately hates it in England and wants to go it doesn't really make any sense.
PSG are unlikely to come in with a ludicrous offer as we already paid a silly amount to get him from Madrid. We would look like idiots if we sold him after breaking the British transfer record to bring him him. Unless of course by some miracle we were signing a player like Bale, Ronaldo or Reus I really don't see us agreeing to let Di Maria leave so prematurely. He will get his confidence back and get plenty of assists and goals if he stays here, he does need to accept last season wasn't good enough though and he needs to start bringing his A game when he puts on the famous red shirt.
PSG are unlikely to come in with a ludicrous offer as we already paid a silly amount to get him from Madrid. We would look like idiots if we sold him after breaking the British transfer record to bring him him. Unless of course by some miracle we were signing a player like Bale, Ronaldo or Reus I really don't see us agreeing to let Di Maria leave so prematurely. He will get his confidence back and get plenty of assists and goals if he stays here, he does need to accept last season wasn't good enough though and he needs to start bringing his A game when he puts on the famous red shirt.
Check the stats posted, previously (in another thread I think). Whilst creating the most chances, from a select few players, he also had the 2nd highest (?) passing accuracy. Tells me that he wastes less than other creative players.
I don't think dribbling is an issue for di Maria as he's more than capable of taking opposition defenders on in tight spaces. Like I've mentioned earlier, his biggest issue was lack of confidence, which was fairly obvious in his cameo against WBA, last season.
IF we sell Di Maria, and considering Bale nor Ronaldo will come this year, I would love to have De Bruyne. The best option we could have, imo. And we would have extra cash still.
I didn't see it from him last season. Thought he looked good carrying the ball forwards from midfield and out wide but when closer towards the box he struggled and just attempted lots of chipped balls.
Think so too. He's very talented, and proven a CL world class player.
Exactly, even if you see his highlights of 14/15 you will see how comfortable he feels running at full speed with the ball from the deep. But I wouldn’t say he is an excellent dribbler in tight spaces.
Di Maria was the player who completed the most successful dribbles for us last season, he also averaged more key passes than any other player. The number of assists isn't an ultimate argument, but a good one, if we are talking about stats. What does it say about the rest of our team, when he has more assists than anyone else, despite having a poor season? Even without the lucky deflections he has more assists than Rooney and Young.
The changes being made aren't irrelevant, otherwise it wouldn't be as important as it is to van Gaal to bring in players early. Di Maria wasn't an important part of our team when we weren't clicking anymore either. We managed 2 goals in 6 games following our purple patch, playing the likes of Everton, West Brom, Crystal Palace and Hull. Not exactly good enough. As frustrating as di Maria can be, he's still consistently more threatening than Young for example. But yeah, he fits the philosophy and all.
What would Pedro bring to the team that makes us a better team with him than di Maria?
This is the key thing for me, we need DiMaria performing in our team if we want to win the league. Young isn't going to cut it.
As for Pedro though, he offers goals IMO, but DiMaria offers assists and chances, I actually think we should sign Pedro and keep DiMaria
Pedro on the wing would be far more useful than Mata (on the wing)
if we do lose him, i would seriously test Real, with a 50m plus De Gea bid for Bale.
They'd reject that straight away imo
We still need him and should stay. He is much better than what we have and its also the staffs task to bring the best out of him. Or do people want to continue with Young who has no end product
£55m they can have him. Pedro to replace him we aren't taking much of a loss.
If they give us £55mill then we should be busting our balls getting Reus or Bale as replacements.
- sell him
- get in Griezman
- solve the right winger / back up striker issue at the same time
- give memphis #7 jersey
- everyone is happy
el fin
- sell him
- get in Griezman
- solve the right winger / back up striker issue at the same time
- give memphis #7 jersey
- everyone is happy
el fin
If we sell him, which I personally don't think we should do, then this would be exactly who I would bring in. Classy player, Griezmann.
Well if there's one man who knows how to make himself popular, it's Samir Nasri.
Why does the stupid media run with that price. Do they really think we will sell him for that price after one year im the premier league?
If he's genuinely unhappy here i think we should sell him provided we get the proper fee. Makes no sense having a player just here collecting a huge salary and not giving an F about the shirt.
I won't believe that he's off untill he's holding a PSG shirt. If El-Khelaifi keeps his word of complying to FFP they just cannot afford Di Maria's transfer sum of 85m Euro this year, never mind his wages. Their restrictions have been lifted but they would be punished again next year if they did buy him since they can't spend more than they earn.
Bayern won't more than double their previous transfer record of 40m Euro for another prime aged winger. Can't think of a realistic club who otherwise could afford him. On top of that I believe Angel's interviews that he wants to fight for his place, I would be really dissapointed in him if he didn't have that fire to succeed here. Burglars exist in every country sadly.
Bayern won't more than double their previous transfer record of 40m Euro for another prime aged winger. Can't think of a realistic club who otherwise could afford him. On top of that I believe Angel's interviews that he wants to fight for his place, I would be really dissapointed in him if he didn't have that fire to succeed here. Burglars exist in every country sadly.
In FFP calculations transfer fees are amortised over the length of the player's contract eg. Di Maria purchased for £45m on a 5 year deal would cost PSG £9m this year (plus wages) as far as FFP is concerned. They can certainly afford him, we wouldn't be here if they couldn't. The question is whether we're willing to sell... I think it would be a great shame, but wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes now.
50m? Pretty reasonable price. We blatantly overpaid for him after he had his best season ever, he had a poor year so his price went down a bit. It's only a 7m loss, except the Euro got weaker I think so it's not much of a difference euro wise.
It's the same rehashed story from France earlier in the morning. Obviously all the English papers are running with it, and these same papers will be eerily quiet when it transpires that nothing happened like last week.
I rather have Pedro on RW with a 50m striker budget than Di Maria on RW with a 25m striker budget.
PSG are trying to buy big names to become a big club over night so selling to PSG should be unreasonable. To the point they would be mugs to pay the money, but if they do? Fine. 50 million to a European competitor would reflect badly on us. He's under contract and we know on his day he's a world class player. FTP was eased for clubs like them so a cool 100 Milliion under a strict promise they stop opening their big mouths...
We don't have to do them favors by being reasonable. They're dicked us over Moura. Have talked shite about Di Maria since day one. If they want him, they should get real. We would be competing with them in Europe at some stage. There is little point strengthening them
Do you think that Paris Saint-Germain will have now a higher capacity to compete with big European clubs?
"The answer to this question is certainly yes even if the settlement agreement will remain applicable. As I have said in the past, some clubs from different European countries do have strong financial advantages over us. We all know that English clubs will benefit, starting 2016-2017, from a massive amount of financial resources coming from their TV mega deal. This contract is great for them but it will maintain a serious gap against others European rivals.
What can this UEFA decision change regarding this summer transfer window?
"During this past season, we already focused on contracts of several of our talented young French and international players. This is a very important investment for us. They represent the future of our Club. Today, as I said before, we are now able to be more active on the transfer market to make our team even more competitive by recruiting the right talents that our team needs. However, we are mindful that the settlement signed last year with UEFA is still applicable. Our club has, among other objectives, to break even in 2015-16. So we will spend our money on the right players as we always did and this will help PSG to grow. We don’t have an unlimited budget."
Al-Khelaifi http://www.psg.fr/en/Actus/003001/A...l-Khelaifi-Une-decision-constructive-et-juste
FFP calculates losses over a 3 year period which can't be more than 45m Euro, they still can't make a loss this year so they would have to sell to buy. I doubt, even though they are growing, that they've made enough to compensate for (85m+ Euro:4 or 5)+salary for just Di Maria. We pay him bigger wages than their best earners too. They've also signed Stambouli for 8m and need another midfielder since Thiago Motta and Rabiot are leaving the club. Unless they get a real big fee for Zlatan with 1 year left I can't see it happening, would be surprised if they could. We will not sell a player of Di Maria's quality with a 4 year contract for a loss after a year to a CL rival, 85m Euro+ or he's staying no matter how hard he wants out (which I don't believe).
Not saying it definately won't happen, just think the odds are very low.
People forget that most likely it's his desire to leave, so all the analyses and stats don't matter, when any player wants to leave it should only be a matter of money for the club, we shouldn't keep a player that isn't happy for whatever reasons as long is we get the money we want.
di Maria to PSG
Reus to Madrid
Karim to Arsenal
Pedro to United
some how. We look to have got the shit end of the stick here
Reus to Madrid
Karim to Arsenal
Pedro to United
some how. We look to have got the shit end of the stick here
If he leaves, and I think he will, then his time here is a great black mark on his club career. Could only hack one season at Manchester United, donning the infamous #7 shirt, before running across to Paris to play in an easier league, with less exposure and, ultimately, a lot less pressure.
I generally tend to argue that a player's personal life takes priority. That being happy is more important than the tribal inclination of football fans.
However, I can't shake the feeling that he just can't hack it here, and that he doesn't have the bollocks to pick himself up and be the star of this new-look United side. Frankly, if he isn't up to being that then we're well shot of him. We need fighters here, not tarts.
I generally tend to argue that a player's personal life takes priority. That being happy is more important than the tribal inclination of football fans.
However, I can't shake the feeling that he just can't hack it here, and that he doesn't have the bollocks to pick himself up and be the star of this new-look United side. Frankly, if he isn't up to being that then we're well shot of him. We need fighters here, not tarts.
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