Álvaro Morata | Performances

rotherham_red said:
I remember @EyeInTheSky being particularly disparaging of Lukaku and saying we should have had Morata, I wonder what he says now :D
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Different players, different managers their whole team is having a poor season just like we did in the league last season yet here we are sitting pretty. He is a quality player and would be a different storey under Jose or a team that is not in disarray. We have the same players this season playing better than last season. They were neck and neck until Conte had a meltdown. In the right setup, I would take him all day long. Some of the goals and play have been sensational as well, he has everything but just like Lukuku went through a bad spell.
 
MrMourinho#7 said:
I wasn't disappointed but was indifferent when we signed Lukaku in the summer. Neither of Morata or Lukaku is good enough for a top club who wants to win everything.
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Unfortunately I agree. I've said it a few times and got stick on here for it. They're both likable players but like you said, none of them are winning top honors as the main man any time soon.
 
Why bring up Lukaku at all?
Poor Lukaku gets criticised everytime Morata plays like a ballon, its ridiculous.
 
Trizy said:
Unfortunately I agree. I've said it a few times and got stick on here for it. They're both likable players but like you said, none of them are winning top honors as the main man any time soon.
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Said in another thread, If it was up to me; i wouldn't have signed him in the summer and would play Martial and Sanchez in LW and ST positions now as they both can play in these two positions and can interchange in the game too.


cyberman said:
Why bring up Lukaku at all?
Poor Lukaku gets criticised everytime Morata plays like a ballon, its ridiculous.
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Can't criticize or fault the effort the Big Rom had but the guy is just not good enough for a top club imo just like Morata as i said in my previous post.
 
MrMourinho#7 said:
Said in another thread, If it was up to me; i wouldn't have signed him in the summer and would play Martial and Sanchez in LW and ST positions now as they both can play in these two positions and can interchange in the game too.




Can't criticize or fault the effort the Big Rom had but the guy is just not good enough for a top club for me just like Morata as i said in my previous post.
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But why bring him up at all?
Personally I think hes had a fantastic 2018 and his performance thread reflects that.
The only time he gets consistently criticised is when Morata plays like a donkey. It doesn't make any sense.
 
cyberman said:
But why bring him up at all?
Personally I think hes had a fantastic 2018 and his performance thread reflects that.
The only time he gets consistently criticised is when Morata plays like a donkey. It doesn't make any sense.
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Fair enough, and i know it may not be fair to Lukaku as he had a great couple of weeks/months lately as you said, but the constant comparisons and bringing up one of them even when discussing about the other one are because they were both linked with us and Chelsea in the summer (we stole Romelu under Chelsea's nose ffs). So it's only natural and will probably be the case in the foreseeable future for a lot of fans.
 
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MrMourinho#7 said:
Said in another thread, If it was up to me; i wouldn't have signed him in the summer and would play Martial and Sanchez in LW and ST positions now as they both can play in these two positions and can interchange in the game too.




Can't criticize or fault the effort the Big Rom had but the guy is just not good enough for a top club imo just like Morata as i said in my previous post.
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Yeah bcause since summer youre damn sure we're going to sign Sanchez in January. some people here....
 
borrays said:
Yeah bcause since summer youre damn sure we're going to sign Sanchez in January. some people here....
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Maybe i should have rephrased that more clearly but what i meant was; i wouldn't have signed Lukaku in the summer as he's not a top top striker + Martial and Sanchez are more suitable for our LW & ST positions to play a more fluid football now. Never said i was sure about us signing Sanchez in January.

And to be honest; if i was Man United manager last summer and there was a decision to make in front of me about making a choice between signing Lukaku (a 7/10 player) now or playing Rashford for now and waiting for a top quality guy (9/10) to be avaliable (Sanchez in that case), i would always choose the latter. Now, we are discussing the possibility of losing Martial who is one of the biggest attacking talents in world football and how he can be another De Bruyne or Salah for Mourinho.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
ha ha, so true.

Really does show what a mental stat that is, get brought off early for being utter dire = keep decent goals to minute stat.
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Exactly the reason I don't get why some people are so obsessed with stats. Stats only paint half the picture and there are much more factors in play. If it really is that simple to just depend on stats alone, football scouts everywhere will have the easiest job in the world.
 
Danny Roberts said:
Batshuayi has gone off the boil as well hasn't he?
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A friend told me last night that he broke his leg this weekend, after a good start to his Dortmund career? :nervous:. Feck, sad news if true.

OT, Morata just seems like he's not much interested in being in England, albeit after a fairly impressive start to the season. I think Italy was his preferred destination (obviously after Madrid) but they could not afford him. Either that, or Conte has just completely lost him/the dressing room, which is also not a good sign for Morata.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Different players, different managers their whole team is having a poor season just like we did in the league last season yet here we are sitting pretty. He is a quality player and would be a different storey under Jose or a team that is not in disarray. We have the same players this season playing better than last season. They were neck and neck until Conte had a meltdown. In the right setup, I would take him all day long. Some of the goals and play have been sensational as well, he has everything but just like Lukuku went through a bad spell.
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Do you ever admit you’re wrong about anything?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Do you ever admit you’re wrong about anything?
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That ’s hilarious coming from you.

When Lukaku was at Everton I gave him stick for the flaws in his game all be it from the handful of games that were televised where he featured and he still has those flaws now but is improving so credit where its due. I criticize our players all the time and praise them or when they play well. I am not on here looking for kudos for crystal ball guesses.

Morata: All comps: 14 Goals PL_starts/Goals: 17/11 Assists: 6
Lukaku: All comps: PL Goals 15 Assists:


Just because I won't label Morata shite seems to have upset you. He is a quality player and I think like any other quality player has a bad patch. Just like Lukaku has a few times this season. What is your problem exactly?

Ultimately you don't have the first clue about what I do or don't admit to despite your magical crystal ball. I don't feel the need to be accepted or have a complete meltdown. I am not the type to rage quit a forum even if I was exposed as a raging hypocrite. If I make a mistake then fine but never have I knowingly lied or misled people so your low rent comment can get to feck :)
 
EyeInTheSky said:
That ’s hilarious coming from you.

When Lukaku was at Everton I gave him stick for the flaws in his game all be it from the handful of games that were televised where he featured and he still has those flaws now but is improving so credit where its due. I criticize our players all the time and praise them or when they play well. I am not on here looking for kudos for crystal ball guesses.

Morata: All comps: 14 Goals PL_starts/Goals: 17/11 Assists: 6
Lukaku: All comps: PL Goals 15 Assists:


Just because I won't label Morata shite seems to have upset you. He is a quality player and I think like any other quality player has a bad patch. Just like Lukaku has a few times this season. What is your problem exactly?

Ultimately you don't have the first clue about what I do or don't admit to despite your magical crystal ball. I don't feel the need to be accepted or have a complete meltdown. I am not the type to rage quit a forum even if I was exposed as a raging hypocrite. If I make a mistake then fine but never have I knowingly lied or misled people so your low rent comment can get to feck :)
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So that’s a no, then.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So that’s a no, then.
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No this is a no (2 for the price of one).

Football poster in “ likes player shocker”

Where is my disparaging remark on the Lukaku vs Morata transfer?

Will take it back if I said that “Compared to Morata Lukaku is of little worth”.

If you can’t then will you ever admit your wrong? Just like your almighty back peddle on the General forum when you yet again with no clue abused and insulted a poster personally and they showed you were categorically and demonstrably wrong as the full video was on the bbc website ;)

So will you ever admit your wrong ?
 
He's lucky Chelsea also signed Bakayoko otherwise he'd be outright the worst purchase of the season
 
Raoul said:
There's no evidence of this. A player doesn't suddenly become better or worse at football because their manager opts to use them as a starter or bring them on as a sub. Its probably moreso a perceptual illusion based on the Solskjaer experience.
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So what do you think happened here? Did someone use some black magic to make Morata a worse player? Or is it possible that the physical strain of playing c. 50% more league minutes than at any point in his career, the mental strain of being the team's primary source of goals, and the higher average quality of opposition all play a role in him appearing less prolific? His goals per minute ratio in the league has doubled, from 1 in 90 mins to 1 in 180 mins...

The OP in this thread honed in on the mental aspect, which you now seem to be acknowledging as a legitimate issue but a month into his career your position was that anyone who didn't agree with your unlosable argument was just a jilted lover...

Raoul said:
Its moreso a case of knowing one's own argument is solid and able to withstand scrutiny. If you know you're right then you're incentivized to continue debating since you know you can't lose.
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Raoul said:
Its the jilted lover syndrome
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He has serious issues with 1 on 1's. What is bothering this guy? He has several contenders for miss of the season. And it's not like there's anyone close to him either. He has received the ball in acres of space yet again. He isn't a striker. A striker doesn't miss sitters like these.
 
Brwned said:
So what do you think happened here? Did someone use some black magic to make Morata a worse player? Or is it possible that the physical strain of playing c. 50% more league minutes than at any point in his career, the mental strain of being the team's primary source of goals, and the higher average quality of opposition all play a role in him appearing less prolific? His goals per minute ratio in the league has doubled, from 1 in 90 mins to 1 in 180 mins...

The OP in this thread honed in on the mental aspect, which you now seem to be acknowledging as a legitimate issue but a month into his career your position was that anyone who didn't agree with your unlosable argument was just a jilted lover...
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Jilted Lover syndrome 100%
 
I actually would have preferred him over Lukaku last summer, looks like Mourinho got that one right anyway.
 
Raoul said:
Jilted Lover syndrome 100%
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It's kind of amazing how the comical pyschological studies pretty accurately predicted how you would react to a pretty likely scenario...
 
I don't know that he's had a bad season, but definitely a disappointing one, given the fee.

I'm also not convinced that he'll be in England next season.
 
If he played for any other club then Juventus would be there and snap him up for a bargain fee.

No one gets a bargain from Chelsea though, not even Juve.
 
Brwned said:
It's kind of amazing how the comical pyschological studies pretty accurately predicted how you would react to a pretty likely scenario...
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I'd happily indulge in any habits and behaviours that are good for my mental health! :D
 
He looks absolutely woeful. Unbelievably poor signing.

Makes you realise how good and important Costa was for Chelsea.
 
Raoul said:
He had a bad season this year, he will do better next year.
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It's not a bad season, but rather what we've seen at Juve when he was more of a starter than used as an impact sub at Real against tired sides and decided games.

He doesn't have the mentality to lead the line on permanent basis at a top club and would struggle with expectations. Was the same at Juve, we see the same here.

Lukaku is the better striker, although many weren't convinced a year ago, yet he has proven it again.

It's not due to Chelsea under performing either - those are excuses. He was in a Juve team that won the title 2 years in a row on the trot, yet he produced the same performances and same erratic finishing.
 
Raoul said:
He had a bad season this year, he will do better next year.
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There's so little evidence to support that. The only thing that could lead you to believe that he's a 40+ goalscorer is by only paying attention to him last year and deciding your understanding of football is so superior that any conflicting evidence is irrelevant.

This season is entirely in keeping with his overall goalscoring record. If you look at last season as an anomaly and ignore it, his league record is a goal every 160 mins. He's only slightly worse than that right now. Even with last season's exceptional return included, he scores a league goal every 138 mins.

12/13 - 2 goals in 400 mins / 1 every 200 mins
13/14 - 8 goals in 558 mins / 1 every 70 mins
14/15 - 8 goals in 1,319 mins / 1 every 165 mins
15/16 - 7 goals in 1,455 mins / 1 every 208 mins
16/17 - 15 goals in 1,330 mins / 1 every 89 mins
17/18 - 11 goals in 1,976 mins / 1 every 180 mins

I think he's a good player and might have done better here, but there are really obvious questions to ask about his mentality. Both he and Lukaku went through a dip in form, but only one of them was able to rebound from that. That wasn't entirely unpredictable. In 15/16 Morata scored 3 in his first 5 games, then went a remarkable 18 games without a goal. This season he managed 13. The last time Lukaku went more than 10 games without a goal, he was an 18 year old in his first season in England. That's much more to do with mentality than skill, as far as I can see. When you're a super sub that pressure is relieved hugely. It's not magic.

Prometheus said:
I'd happily indulge in any habits and behaviours that are good for my mental health! :D
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:lol: true! Count me in!!
 
Brwned said:
There's so little evidence to support that. The only thing that could lead you to believe that he's a 40+ goalscorer is by only paying attention to him last year and deciding your understanding of football is so superior that any conflicting evidence is irrelevant.

This season is entirely in keeping with his overall goalscoring record. If you look at last season as an anomaly and ignore it, his league record is a goal every 160 mins. He's only slightly worse than that right now. Even with last season's exceptional return included, he scores a league goal every 138 mins.

12/13 - 2 goals in 400 mins / 1 every 200 mins
13/14 - 8 goals in 558 mins / 1 every 70 mins
14/15 - 8 goals in 1,319 mins / 1 every 165 mins
15/16 - 7 goals in 1,455 mins / 1 every 208 mins
16/17 - 15 goals in 1,330 mins / 1 every 89 mins
17/18 - 11 goals in 1,976 mins / 1 every 180 mins

I think he's a good player and might have done better here, but there are really obvious questions to ask about his mentality. Both he and Lukaku went through a dip in form, but only one of them was able to rebound from that. That wasn't entirely unpredictable. In 15/16 Morata scored 3 in his first 5 games, then went a remarkable 18 games without a goal. This season he managed 13. The last time Lukaku went more than 10 games without a goal, he was an 18 year old in his first season in England. That's much more to do with mentality than skill, as far as I can see. When you're a super sub that pressure is relieved hugely. It's not magic.
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His goals per minute in the league however is identical to Lukaku - and that's with him having a poor season. Lukaku has had a better year because of his over all play and goals in the CL. I'd wait another year before triumphantly declaring one as better than the other.
 
I had my doubts but in the end it seems that Madrid have done a good business. I do not know what happened to him, after starting the season so well.
In la liga I considered him an strong forward, I did not imagine that the demand of the Premier would be his weak point (according to what you write).
Surely now he regrets having left Madrid
And now out of the world cup. The most sensible thing is to go to Italy
 
carvajal said:
I had my doubts but in the end it seems that Madrid have done a good business. I do not know what happened to him, after starting the season so well.
In la liga I considered him an strong forward, I did not imagine that the demand of the Premier would be his weak point (according to what you write).
Surely now he regrets having left Madrid
And now out of the world cup. The most sensible thing is to go to Italy
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He didn't set the world on fire there either.
 
carvajal said:
I had my doubts but in the end it seems that Madrid have done a good business. I do not know what happened to him, after starting the season so well.
In la liga I considered him an strong forward, I did not imagine that the demand of the Premier would be his weak point (according to what you write).
Surely now he regrets having left Madrid
And now out of the world cup. The most sensible thing is to go to Italy
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Its mental. Something happened to him about a third or so into the year where his performances dropped. Happened around the same time as Chelsea hit a rough patch with people questioning Conte's job etc.
 
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