Do we not need a striker who scores alot of goals? Im confused why we would be intrested in Morata then
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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I'm not against signing Morata but I don't see how "nobody else" wants him. Is the context that United are offering him so much more that they're the favorites and no one else can compete? Or is it that we're the only club that feels he's worth what Madrid want for him? Even if we need a striker I'd still like James more than Morata if we're buying from Madrid...
So we'll judge everyone on that? Or are we able to judge every player individually?
Because Di Maria was a sack of shit doesn't mean every big player will follow.
Milan wanted him but they've dropped out for some reason (possibly too much money). Chelsea have been reported to be interested too.
The people with the checkbook care cos what he gets paid affects what other players expect to get paid and what the club can afford to spend on other players. If that continues, you end up with a lot of overpaid average quality players, (which we are already getting there) who you cant offload easily even if you wanted to
If a player truly wants to leave, there is no point in forcing him to stay.
You build a world class team by do what is best for the club and not just stroke fan egos over a GK. Juve sold Pogba and they still made it to the CL final.
Combination of few things I think.
All other top clubs (Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, PSG, City, Spurs, Chelsea if they settle situation with Costa...) pretty much have their number 9 sorted for the next season. Other clubs probably can't afford him and if are interested, when it comes to wages, can't compete.
Was worried about Milan because of personal reasons but it seems he said last night that he won't move to Italy for sure.
That wouldn't be such a bad thing. Don't get me wrong I'd love to keep DDG but if his heart is set on a move and we get a decent offer so be it. As for the other 2, they would improve us no doubt.
No of course not but the noise coming out of Madrid is that Morata isn't keen on leaving Madrid like Di Maria and we know how that worked out.
I want players to join this club because they want to, not because their current club wants them gone.
We're not getting the best players in the world then, but then I suppose we wouldn't be if we were buying cast offs from other clubs.
Agree with this. Would love to keep him, but if he wants to go then we must look to get the best deal possible.
If that's the case I hope you're not turning your nose at Perisic et al. because those seem to be the players that want to join this club.
I don't really see the relevance of Di Maria, that was a a complete whirlwind of shit with the team trying to integrate about 5 new first team players in one window and van Gaal being a fecking atrocious man manager and never really knowing where to play him. Mourinho has worked with Morata before and clearly wants him at the club as the first choice striker, if he has the confidence and trust of the manager along with a fairly settled squad, this has a much better chance of being a success.
Agree, if Madrid pay up, and don't play silly beggars this time then it should be left up to DDG to decide, all for Morata, not James though, rather get some cash and look elsewhere, or just stick and wait for Greizmann.
Nope.
What's wrong with wanting players play for the club who really want to play for us and have that extra bit of quality.. like Pogba for example. If Morata joins because he wants to then great but I can't be the only one who doesn't want players here who think "if I have to join them then fine".
Why is he leaving, anyway? He seems to have had a decent season and will surely get more and more minutes, with Benzema's gradual decline. They don't have much depth in the position beyond that.
It happens more often than not, I would imagine. After all, it's their profession. They have to go where the money and playtime is, even if they're not 100% sure on going to that club.
Oh come on Stubbs.
Pogba probably would have joined Real Madrid if they offered the same amount of money as us.
For every Di Maria there is Ozil, Sneijder and Robben. Players who did not want to leave Madrid yet still went on to perform at a high level.
Majority of footballers in the world currently would choose Madrid over us. Does that mean we should not sign anybody remotely decent because we fear they might want to play for Madrid.
"Morata isn't a goalscorer" is a lazy myth
Actually look at his goalscoring record then come back and say it. He's pushing 30 goals this season and was pretty much just bit part. His goalscoring record is quite brilliant and playing regularly in a top team and the focus of attack, he'd be lethal imo. Not good enough to displace Ronaldo is his problem at Madrid which is understandable
wait for Griezmann to do what?
Even if he would succeed here, he'd run back to Madrid ASAP if they'd want him as first choice. Just not worth it at all.
Can someone give me some stats/info about what the value of a world class keeper is compared to an average keeper? I can't imagine it is more than what adding Morata and James would provide to United's offense. But I would love to be proven wrong. These are two young, improving players that have demonstrated huge performances over their careers. Yes, they play at the most stacked club in the world and thus are backups, but that does not mean they cannot be world class. If we could add a pacy left wing, or even a guy like Willian as an inverted winger on the right, our offense could become one of the better ones in the Premier League given time.
Neither of these two are players of Griezmann's caliber. If it is possible to get a Griezmann-esque player this summer (i.e., someone who is clearly an already-established world class offensive player), then you do that, and build outside of said addition. But, two points: first, these players are world class for a reason, and a lot do not exist, and the grand majority are not available. Secondly, as we wait, finding said player becomes increasingly unlikely, and furthermore, finding players who have potential to become world class also becomes increasingly unlikely.
If the goal is to compete for the Champions League title next season, then you do not sell De Gea. If it is to win the Premier League title, do well in the Champions League, and attempt to challenge for the CL title in two seasons, then I think Mou, Woodward, and company will consider it.
Neither of these two are players of Griezmann's caliber. If it is possible to get a Griezmann-esque player this summer (i.e., someone who is clearly an already-established world class offensive player), then you do that, and build outside of said addition. But, two points: first, these players are world class for a reason, and a lot do not exist, and the grand majority are not available. Secondly, as we wait, finding said player becomes increasingly unlikely, and furthermore, finding players who have potential to become world class also becomes increasingly unlikely.
If the goal is to compete for the Champions League title next season, then you do not sell De Gea. If it is to win the Premier League title, do well in the Champions League, and attempt to challenge for the CL title in two seasons, then I think Mou, Woodward, and company will consider it.
You can never be certain, but if manage to convince Morata to sign, nothing so far suggest that there will be a problem with his attitude. He doesn't look like "prima donna" type of player who wouldn't give his all on the pitch.
While in Juventus he work his socks off for the team. He then returned to Real, had great statistics, still spend lots of time on the bench and didn't have a one bad word about it. His attitude seems spot on in that sense.
You can say that about any player that is a youth product of a top team. Will lukaku also run back to Chelsea?
So do you think Juve regretted having Pogba for all those seasons and selling him back to us for a boat load of money?
If he is good enough to be first choice at Madrid, then he has likely developed into one of the best players in the world. It is then up to us to make him feel at home here or, if he wants to leave, fleece Madrid for it
I thought you were serious too tbh..That would take the fun out of it
Threads like; 'would it be better if we lose the EL final?' or gems like 'Is the CL really all that?' have fried my brain.
They left me unable to ever detect sarcasm on here again.
If we don't get Griezmann in this window we should move on from him. It's not everyday clubs are willing to meet substantial buy out clauses and in his case £86mil is alot of money. There's not much point in buying him in January as he won't be eligible to take part in the champions league for us. We'd have to buy him in the summer at possibly a higher fee. When you put numbers together with the length of service in his prime, it's £30 mil per season, compare that to Pogba £80mil, £10/£12 mil per season, its a bit expensive. Morata for £50mil is also £10 mil per season. If we get Rodriguez then the ship's sailed for Griezmann imo.
Tevez only scored 14 goals in the league in 2007-2008 playing ahead of Ronaldo. That's just what happens in a system where the focus of creating chances is for the man coming off the wing. Morata suffers the same thing.
Incidentally, so did Drogba and Benzema during Mourinho's early seasons at Chelsea and Real. He prefers his striker to be a lightning-rod for the attack, with most of the goals coming from midfield or the wings. It's only on rare occasions (when the the AMs or widemen lack finishing ability) that the goalscoring onus is on the centreforward. I think Morata + somebody in the mould of Griezmann or Bale would be the template that Jose is going for.
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Of course. Didn't see the sense also... He will never lead Madrid attack.
Oh shit, incoming posts - why would he lead our attack then?
I think we should move on from Griezmann too but I don't think being cup tied in Europe should be why. We are miles away from the top sides in Europe, Juve and Bayern might make that excuse for not signing someone but it makes no difference to us. We cannot win the CL next season, we are at least two or three years away just yet imo. for me it's just a matter of pride and dignity. Griezmann rejected us, we must not be seen to go crawling back. He has made his decision. If he wants United but chose to stay with Atletico out of loyalty then he should miss out on what we're building towards. Atletico will only fall another year behind Barcelona and Real Madrid with no Summer transfer window.
Drop 100M euros on the table for Morata and James, tell them we'll talk about De Gea after, get Morata and James signed up and then pull out that fax machine.
There is no Man United cheque writers in here. SO NOBODY CARES. This is a fact.
And as you brought it up. We can well afford to pay DDG 250KPW only someone who does not follow football could even try to highlight it as an issue to man united. I mean really? Come on!
As I and most here accept he is the top keeper round right now and the club, who made public he is happy here, know we do not have to sell this summer. IIRC he was none too happy with Real for fecking up the move the last time and it was them who fecked it up. SO any talk of him joining them is a little premature as we are the ones who have always looked after his best interests. We did not block his move and when it fell through he got a huge bumber deal. He may fancy a move to real but I'm fairly sure its only if we dont want him. He will leave that decision to us. At least for now.
Of course DDG could say this summer. Look i enjoied it here i owe you everything but im off home to spain. At that stage we have to come up with a contingency plan. But for now he is going nowhere.
So if you dont mind can we stick to Morata either solo or with Hamez. At least until the DDG situation is clearer. As it is we are off down a blind alley that might not even happen. And probably just keep going over and back all week
love it, basically my point too!
Mbappe would stop him running back.
So it begins...
I did:
http://us.soccerway.com/players/alvaro-morata/103171/
And it is not United class striker stats.If this impresses you then we have 2 very different views on brilliant goalscoring record.
Come to Manchester Lad.
15 goals in 26 games with 14 of those being starts really is a horrible record
Idk how many times his goalscoring rate in La liga has to be mentioned. At Juventus, he was often used as a winger. He's only 24, with very good all around ability, and he easily has the potential to turn into a 30 goals per season striker if he's given the playing time. He had 20 goals for Real Madrid this season even though he only started 17 matches for them all season.
Lukaku is no youth product, and Morata has indicated he doesnt want to leave it all and says Madris is his city and town, even preferred Milan above us. Yes, I'll gladly have people with a long term future here.
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