Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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[QUOTE="prtk0811, post: 21060733, member: 106324"]We could use abamyang as a yard stick. While higuain was a first team starter from a direct league rival and a proven Exp goal scorer.[/QUOTE]

I think that is kind of what we did when we put a bid in for Morata, but Real turned it down and want something closer to what Higuain went for.
 
R.E.D. said:
Bale was injured most of the season and Benzema had the worst season of his career. He could push himself more into the first team but anyway... . A season before that he was in Juve, let's say Dybala is the main forward he had to compete with Mandzukic for the other spot and Mandzukic srarted more games than him. Now, Mandzukic is a good player but he's not a great goal scorer, you can always put yourself ahead of him. A season before that again he was in Juve, let's say Tevez was the main forward he had to compete with Llorente for the other spot and Llorente started more games than him. Now again you can put yourself ahead of Llorente as well. He's better than Llorente in general I'm not comparing.

He's good player. He would be perfect in Fergie days when we had 4 strikers and we played with 2 forwards and we rotated them so all of them could play a lot of games. Basically his role in Juve. But 70, 80, 90 millions for him is just too much. He's going to lead our front line for titles but he's not on that level. We're paying a world class fee for a player who is not world class.

The only good thing about him is that I believe he will match Rashford, Mkhi and Martial much better than Zlatan. So may not have the individual effect of Zlatan but if we play all of them right we might have a better team. But again that kind of money is too much.
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Benzema, being French and French/Algerian is always going to get picked by Zidane for obvious reasons, which makes it hard for Morata to get more starting minutes. And yet he still managed La Liga's 2nd highest minutes to goals ratio and actually outperformed Benzema from the bench (20 goals in 43 appearances).

Thought he was very good at Juve, especially in their run up to the CL final a couple of years back. I fully expect him to knock in 30 in all comps next year.
 
Canuckred64 said:
[QUOTE="prtk0811, post: 21060733, member: 106324"]We could use abamyang as a yard stick. While higuain was a first team starter from a direct league rival and a proven Exp goal scorer.
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I think that is kind of what we did when we put a bid in for Morata, but Real turned it down and want something closer to what Higuain went for.[/QUOTE]

You Missed the other part, Higuain is a starter, a Proven goal scorer and was a striker of a domestic league rival. Morata can not be judged with higuain. And everyone knows higuain had a release clause.
 
prtk0811 said:
I think that is kind of what we did when we put a bid in for Morata, but Real turned it down and want something closer to what Higuain went for.
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You Missed the other part, Higuain is a starter, a Proven goal scorer and was a striker of a domestic league rival. Morata can not be judged with higuain. And everyone knows higuain had a release clause.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that they shouldn't use Higuain as a yard stick and for the reasons you state, but they do seem to be trying to do that. Otherwise they would have accepted our bid.
 
I think people are underestimating our ability to cut a good deal. Everyone was going bonkers when we bought Pogba in for a world record fee, ignoring the fact that the money circulating in football has increased tremendously. Now, a player like Pogba will fetch way more than what we paid for in today's market. The Bailly, Mkhi and now Lindelof deals were also done at a very good price. We even sold Depay and Schneiderlin for more than what people expected. I think we will be able to push the price down, and our interest in Belotti (who I am quite sure will leave at less than his buyout) will be there to force Madrid to give in. This is happening with the Perisic deal as well.

But at the end of the day, we are definitely spending way within our means, given the massive income that we generate each season.
 
Canuckred64 said:
You Missed the other part, Higuain is a starter, a Proven goal scorer and was a striker of a domestic league rival. Morata can not be judged with higuain. And everyone knows higuain had a release clause.
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I agree with you that they shouldn't use Higuain as a yard stick and for the reasons you state, but they do seem to be trying to do that. Otherwise they would have accepted our bid.[/QUOTE]

No, They are just a club who wants to get their ways and Spend on mbappe
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Come on let's be done with this already. 2 months to kick off so it would be nice to bed him in.
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If we buy Morata the deal will take place in July or August. Our fiscal year ends in June so because of accounting reasons we probably can't accept a hefty €75m +- outlay before 1st of July.

Remember last summer. Bailly in June, Zlatan and Mhiki in July (if I remember correctly) and Pog in August.

Based on experience I think that in order to buy more then three new players we needs to sell. Viggo was probably inside our 2016/17 budget.

Regarding negotiations between Madrid and us it's a waiting game. Perez needs fresh money, that's why Morata and James is for sale in the first place. It's a little bit funny. United "must" buy a new striker. Real "must" sell one, maybe two valuable assets in order to balance their books if they want to buy Mbappé. So who will panic first?
 
7even said:
If we buy Morata the deal will take place in July or August. Our fiscal year ends in June so because of accounting reasons we probably can't accept a hefty €75m +- outlay before 1st of July.
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Absolute nonsense. Football transfers are amortised over the length of the contract, so if for instance the total was €80m the books would show something like €20m for 16-17, €20m for 17-18, etc until paid up over 4 years.
 
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In amongst all this, you have to feel a bit for Morata, who's got this unresolved situation hanging over his head plus a wedding at the end of the week. Imagine his missus sitting there going "Alvaro, where are we going to be living next month?" :lol:
 
Sammyjunn said:
Icardi creates more for others than Morata does I think, he isnt super technically gifted but has excellent link-up play and vision on the field, racked up a nice amount of assists too. Aubameyang is far more proven than Morata, big variety of finishing, super quick, runs down the channels and always proves to get a lot of goals. Also a great counter player. If he moves to PSG I'd also rather try Cavani than Morata.

Lacazette does miss the aerial presence but I actually want to move away from that Mourinho ideal, it hampers the team at times I think. It's a bit outdated the view that a striker must be big and strong.

Doubt Icardi would cost more, around the same. Lukaku would cost more yes. Not a huge fan of him but a bit more proven.

I hope he can adapt to being the starter and the guy upfront, always having to perform. Hunting on another guy who's starting is slightly different. Huntelaar can tell you all about that.
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Inter want €50m for Perisic and you think they would sell Icardi for around £70m?
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Madrid want 90m for fecking Morata :lol:. Get Bellotti in or offer Auba a fat contract.
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What's the difference with Belotti? As for Auba, that one is puzzling. One of the 10 best players in the world right now, would cost a fortune in wages(heard PSG are offering him the equivalent of £350k a week) and more overall, but, well, he's one of the ten best players in the world right now.
 
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giorno said:
So standing firm on your initial demand is "fecking about" now?
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That's the thing. You can stand firm on whatever you want, does not mean you aren't fecking about. If DDG wants to leave and we quote 150 mil to you, would you say we are justified and not "fecking about"?
 
giorno said:
So standing firm on your initial demand is "fecking about" now?
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You are absolutely right. Making out there were more Madrid fans in that stadium is fecking about. We should fax them an offer lol
 
NK86 said:
That's the thing. You can stand firm on whatever you want, does not mean you aren't fecking about. If DDG wants to leave and we quote 150 mil to you, would you say we are justified and not "fecking about"?
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That's between you and him, but you didn't quote 150mil for de gea and we're not quoting 150 mil for Morata. We're quoting a realistic price in a market were Belotti, Lukaku, Lacazette would go for similar fees, for a player we'd rather not sell
 
Raoul said:
More appropriately, its CAF posters who don't know much about him or don't think he's sexy enough a name we should be buying.
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It really is. No one is saying they've watched him extensively and don't think he's good enough. All the negativity is based on stats they've plucked off whoscored.com.
 
giorno said:
That's between you and him, but you didn't quote 150mil for de gea and we're not quoting 150 mil for Morata. We're quoting a realistic price in a market were Belotti, Lukaku, Lacazette would go for similar fees, for a player we'd rather not sell
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He is not a starter for you and neither close to being one of your important players. The likes of players you mentioned are all their teams' main striking options then how can you compare to them.

The 150 mil for De Gea was not quoted because are aren't interested in yanking your chain and act like morons. The prices quoted by Madrid for someone who is warming your bench are ridiculous. As for you not wanting to sell, if you didn't you wouldn't even be listening to offers so let's not pretend that you guys are desperately trying to keep him.
 
NK86 said:
He is not a starter for you and neither close to being one of your important players. The likes of players you mentioned are all their teams' main striking options then how can you compare to them.
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Was only our second goalscorer in the first league/CL double in 60 years. Yeah, not an important player at all :rolleyes:

The 150 mil for De Gea was not quoted because are aren't interested in yanking your chain and act like morons. The prices quoted by Madrid for someone who is warming your bench are ridiculous. As for you not wanting to sell, if you didn't you wouldn't even be listening to offers so let's not pretend that you guys are desperately trying to keep him.
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If the player wants to leave, there's not much that can be done. You name your price and try to get it paid in full. If the other party doesn't want to pay, you can always tell the player that the other club didn't want him enough and you rate him more and he's better off staying
 
Hans Moleman said:
He'd cost 100m, so I don't see how it's a better option if money is your worry



Completely different sort of striker, not what Mourinho wants, and he's 28 this summer so will become less effective soon as his natural pace falls off.
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The difference is our money will go to a small Itallian team, not towards them cnuts buying M'bappe and De Gea. Auba is a better striker than Morata i'm sure Mourinho would live.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
His point is that by 25 he still isn't a first choice for his club, not that he's too old.
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R.E.D. said:
No but if you're 25 and you haven't had a season as a starter and first choice you're not 70, 80, 90 million player.
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Was he first choice at Juventus in his 2 seasons there? Definitely more so in his second season too.
 
NK86 said:
He is not a starter for you and neither close to being one of your important players. The likes of players you mentioned are all their teams' main striking options then how can you compare to them.

The 150 mil for De Gea was not quoted because are aren't interested in yanking your chain and act like morons. The prices quoted by Madrid for someone who is warming your bench are ridiculous. As for you not wanting to sell, if you didn't you wouldn't even be listening to offers so let's not pretend that you guys are desperately trying to keep him.
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It always goes like this, have you not seen American Pickers.
 
Canuckred64 said:
You Missed the other part, Higuain is a starter, a Proven goal scorer and was a striker of a domestic league rival. Morata can not be judged with higuain. And everyone knows higuain had a release clause.
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I agree with you that they shouldn't use Higuain as a yard stick and for the reasons you state, but they do seem to be trying to do that. Otherwise they would have accepted our bid.[/QUOTE]
Bet Juventus wished they had Morata in that final, because as usual Higuain disappeared. Morata scores in the big games.
 
LonelyFire said:
The original price for Morata is inflated and Madrid know that.
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So? All prices are inflated in the current market. He's our player, why should we accept much less than what we want? It's not like nobody can afford it in this market
 
flappyjay said:
Inter want €50m for Perisic and you think they would sell Icardi for around £70m?
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Perisic is their 2nd most valuable player I think, 70 million sterling or a bit more seems reasonable. Real actually want 90 million for Morata which is really absurd. If you asked me what Morata would be worth in this current crazy market prior to him being linked to us I'd say 45 million tops. He's an excellent prospect and a good striker but the price seems very odd. Probably because they dont want to lose him at all.
 
giorno said:
So? All prices are inflated in the current market. He's our player, why should we accept much less than what we want? It's not like nobody can afford it in this market
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Relax, it's obviously not Madrid's fault if they don't want to sell a player less than whatever price. At the same time, you can surely understand a United fan's frustration with the prices being bandied about. Although I think more people are annoyed about the 'delay' than the price, even though it's barely mid June.
 
giorno said:
So? All prices are inflated in the current market. He's our player, why should we accept much less than what we want? It's not like nobody can afford it in this market
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Its the stance of Madrid - its utterly hypocritical. You want clubs to pay 90m Euros for a striker who cannot get in your team yet you're not prepared to pay the "current market" (as you call it) for arguably the worlds best goalkeeper - certainly in the Top 3.

Why is 90m Euros a realistic price for a striker who sits on your bench? 70m Euros is even too much yet we seem prepared to pay that.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Perisic is their 2nd most valuable player I think, 70 million sterling or a bit more seems reasonable. Real actually want 90 million for Morata which is really absurd. If you asked me what Morata would be worth in this current crazy market prior to him being linked to us I'd say 45 million tops. He's an excellent prospect and a good striker but the price seems very odd. Probably because they dont want to lose him at all.
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Inter would ask £85-90M for Icardi, at least.
 
Akshay said:
Relax, it's obviously not Madrid's fault if they don't want to sell a player less than whatever price. At the same time, you can surely understand a United fan's frustration with the prices being bandied about. Although I think more people are annoyed about the 'delay' than the price, even though it's barely mid June.
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Nothing to do with a "delay" for me - im not convinced this will go through. This is about Madrid being unrealistic
 
Sammyjunn said:
Perisic is their 2nd most valuable player I think, 70 million sterling or a bit more seems reasonable. Real actually want 90 million for Morata which is really absurd. If you asked me what Morata would be worth in this current crazy market prior to him being linked to us I'd say 45 million tops. He's an excellent prospect and a good striker but the price seems very odd. Probably because they dont want to lose him at all.
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Or milk United since the DDG saga. Whatever it is, both seem to play the waiting game now and it's obvious that we will orverpay for him. We probably hope that Morata will put some pressure on Madrid
 
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