Álvaro Carreras

crackers0seven said:
If fast was so important we would be keeping rashers. Sometimes game IQ and technique is more important than speed because It puts you in position than you might influence the game ie reading the game. Marcus had or has speed,teddy Sheringham had bearly Any speed,but had a brain and played to near on 40. Alvaro looks like a better footballer than dorgu. Not as fast,but he might not need as much speed as dorgu because his touch is better. Dorgus touch isn't great and he's to accelerate into tackles to keep the ball. Think we've enough raw players. Need more technical footballers. But who knows dorgu could be unreal if bought. Like zirkzee,hojlund,Veron and darmian. Seria A hasn't done us wrong before.
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If we are talking general players that can play towards the back on the left hand side, fine.

But amoriums 3-4-3 and his system and vision relies very heavily on wingbacks which create a back 5 out of possession and a front 5 in possession. The position is very specialist - it's like a box to box midfielder on steriods but they have to be a defender then an attacker not just a DM then AM.

So discussing who is best is irrelevant. We need to discuss who us best for this very specialist role for our team under this manager.
 
Ish said:
Yeah, I’d assume those are probably top end speeds versus acceleration, because Doku seems rapid off the mark.

Then those top end speeds are probably clocked without the ball as well.
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Being slow off the mark is a death sentence in football.
 
Sign him if Ruben wants him and sell him if it doesn't work out. He has existing suitors who will pay full price. Low risk if Dorgu's price is out for reach.
 
Buy back clauses have to be paid in full don’t they? Shouldn’t be a problem for us anyway. I’d imagine we’ve tried installed payments for Dorgu but if it’s true that we put an offer of 25m in for him then surely we have the 16m for Alvaro.
 
DJ_21 said:
Buy back clauses have to be paid in full don’t they? Shouldn’t be a problem for us anyway. I’d imagine we’ve tried installed payments for Dorgu but if it’s true that we put an offer of 25m in for him then surely we have the 16m for Alvaro.
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We might do what we did with Zirkzee - pay slightly more than the clause so we can structure payments more advantageously
 
Deco10Legend said:
I just checked Uefa stats and assuming they are right, yes Carreras is faster than doku.

Have to keep in mind that Doku is 1.73m and Carreras is 1.86m.

By Uefa stats, Raphinha is faster than Carreras, so that explains a bit that last minute goal.
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Raphinha had a head start on him. Pace wasn’t an issue as he got back. The weak defending was an issue
 
We clearly don’t see him as a long term solution, maybe we can do some bizarre deal where we take him on loan for 6 months and they can wipe off the buy back/sell on. Gives us chance to go for our top targets in the summer.
Or we take him and try and make money on him in the summer, that probably makes more sense!
 
pocco said:
For the youth teams it was often said that he possessed good technical qualities but was lacking athletically. And the issue for me is that I really feel like we lack some athleticism in our team, with wing back being a particularly demanding role. For that reason I could see why, in my limited knowledge of Dorgu, he seems to be preferred. Just watching the clips of him you can see he’s probably better equipped to the role even if he doesn’t have the technical ability (I don’t know if he does or not). But when players like Frimpong and Dumfries excel in this role, you can see how physical attributes are just as important as technical. I suppose it depends on what you prefer, but it’s rare to find a player that is of a high level in both.
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Agreed, we shouldn't sign a player just because we can - it's what got us into this hole in the first place - going for players that are easy to sign not because they have the attributes we need in the team, case in point Zirkzee and Ten Hag's plethora of Erediviste graduates.

My view on Dorgu is that if the technical team; Wilcox, Amorim, Vivel and the scouts, are in agreement that he has the physical and technical properties to make it here then £5m shouldn't be a deal breaker. We obviously need to operate on a more efficient basis but this isn't the same as the Antony deal where we paid €100m for a €30m player.

It would be more beneficial to wait a year or two for Benfica to sell him and make a nice profit on our sell on clause than sign him, watch him fail to get to grips with the physicality of the league and then have to give him away. If Dorgu is too expensive, our scouts have to give us another option.
 
AneRu said:
Agreed, we shouldn't sign a player just because we can - it's what got us into this hole in the first place - going for players that are easy to sign not because they have the attributes we need in the team, case in point Zirkzee and Ten Hag's plethora of Erediviste graduates.

My view on Dorgu is that if the technical team; Wilcox, Amorim, Vivel and the scouts, are in agreement that he has the physical and technical properties to make it here then £5m shouldn't be a deal breaker. We obviously need to operate on a more efficient basis but this isn't the same as the Antony deal where we paid €100m for a €30m player.

It would be more beneficial to wait a year or two for Benfica to sell him and make a nice profit on our sell on clause than sign him, watch him fail to get to grips with the physicality of the league and then have to give him away. If Dorgu is too expensive, our scouts have to give us another option.
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Not sure that he would fail, he is 186cm and whilst not built like a rugby player is hardly a weakling, as for the previously mentioned potential for making more money from his sell on clause bear in mind if he went for his release clause of £50m that is still only going to be £10m to us, unless we put him on mega wages we should easily be able to command £10m or more to sell him, so actually it makes more financial sense to buy him for £16.7m and flip him for £20m plus than it does to wait on his release clause being triggered.

I think the far more likely reason that we prefer Dorgu to Alvaro is Dorgu's versatility, he has demonstrated can play left or right, I am not convinced that even if we do sign Dorgu that we will not be back in for another WB in the summer having versatile players is extremely valuable to this system.

edit: Actually thinking about it, irrespective of anything else, it makes financial sense for us to re-sign Alvaro , it would actually be stupid not to resign him on a financial basis, (even if as a show of good will we loan him back to Benfica for the remainder of the season), it is not like we do not need cover anyway, we have zero LB/LWB as Shaw is a write off, and Malacia is not the level, obviously there are people involved , it is not FM so he would have a say in matters, but it is a no brainer to resign him if he is up for it.

If we sign for £16.7m double his current wage in 18 months if we sold for £22m we would have completely broken even and had an actual usable LWB for 18 months, £32m and we have still made the same as we would if he sold for his release clause this summer, the only down side we have had to wait 12 more months for a £10m pay out, but then we are skint, £36m in 5 years is break even £46m is the same profit, I just see zero reason why we wouldn't resign Alvaro if he is up to it, we are never going to get a better deal for a player of his quality, damn ETH for forcing his sale, and poor on management for authorising, still I guess they were going off info handed them by a man who clearly knew nothing about players given the shitshow squad he has left us with
 
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In perfect world we get both of them, Dorgu and Alvaro. They are very different players and would compliment each other. But if we have to choose one, then Dorgu is miles ahead in terms of what we are missing.
 
Zed 101 said:
Not sure that he would fail, he is 186cm and whilst not built like a rugby player is hardly a weakling, as for the previously mentioned potential for making more money from his sell on clause bear in mind if he went for his release clause of £50m that is still only going to be £10m to us, unless we put him on mega wages we should easily be able to command £10m or more to sell him, so actually it makes more financial sense to buy him for £16.7m and flip him for £20m plus than it does to wait on his release clause being triggered.

I think the far more likely reason that we prefer Dorgu to Alvaro is Dorgu's versatility, he has demonstrated can play left or right, I am not convinced that even if we do sign Dorgu that we will not be back in for another WB in the summer having versatile players is extremely valuable to this system.
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I think he is versatile and very good physically. You'd think that having the ability to play so many positions points to his football IQ and when you combine that with physicality then there is more than enough to work with over the years.
 
Not followed him since he left, can he play wingback, or is he more traditional left back?
 
An assist , gave away a penalty and defensively poor for Barca’s winning goal so yes he would fit right in with this squad .
 
I could be being harsh but given we have such a weakness in terms of availability in his position and a low buy-back clause, I’m not sure why we hadn’t made a decision as January started whether to bring him back. Finances of course may have been the reason in we needed to get players out first, but feels to me like that would have been basic planning.

Secondly, if we do trigger it and it doesn’t work out, providing we don’t put him on a stupid contract I’d reckon we should at the very least get our money back, if not a profit, on the basis of his Benfica performances.
 
Idxomer said:
He looked weak in two of the 3 goals Benfica conceded yesterday too.

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Looks like Amorim would hate him. Doesn't even jog back after falling over (from nothing) on the second. Makes absolutely no effort at all to sprint back to the line after the pass gets past him for the third.
 
I’m not too sure because he doesn’t have the explosion to play wingback. Playing full backs and wingbacks are two different things. May be it can work if Alvaro plays as LWB to provide balance in the team if we play Amad as RWB who is much more attacking minded. But from what I can see is that Amorim doesn’t play Amad as wingback other than when we play against the bottom teams. If he wants to play Amad as RWB against Fulham, he could play Mainoo or Collyer next to Ugarte and push Bruno as R10 and Amad as RWB.
 
Pros and cons. Cons are not the end of the world in and of themselves, however in this particular team - the lack of physicality/pace is probably something we can’t afford. He’s a fantastic footballer but we need legs.
 
Rozay said:
Pros and cons. Cons are not the end of the world in and of themselves, however in this particular team - the lack of physicality/pace is probably something we can’t afford. He’s a fantastic footballer but we need legs.
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Yeah and we've got that buy-back clause until 2026 so can buy him in summer or next year.
 
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