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West Ham United 1:2 Manchester United

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    Tony247 said:
    So basically this full season we have to play double pivot, or at least till Jan if we sign a CDM.
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    I'm not convinced we'll change even if we sign a CDM. Ole seems to like this formation with 2 sitting. A new DM would do it better but I think he'll have someone next to him, even if its Pogba who leaves a lot to be desired defensively
     
    DeGea said:
    I am supportive of Ole but he is an idiot for continuing to pick Fred ahead of VdB. Fred is so poor that VdB can’t possibly be worse
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    and yet when they both started together Fred was better than him.
     
    kouroux said:
    I'd agree with you. Hopefully Sancho proves his quality over time but really not that confident as far as I'm concerned that he is a good fit (not saying he ain't good enough just to be precise).
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    I wasnt saying that we shouldnt be interested in quality players like Sancho. But we do lack quality in midfield which was apparent when down to ten men against Young Boys. We just couldnt keep the ball. I actually think we could afford to be more adventurous and have McT sitting with Lingard on instead of Fred
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    Decent lineup.

    Only thing I disagree with is McFred Midfield as I think with our attacking options we have to move away from it.

    Pogba and McTominay should be the pair we are trying to build chemistry between.

    It has the best balance.

    With Rashford out we can keep putting Pogba on the wing but once he is back Pogba has to go to Midfield.

    We can't drop him because then we will have no on the ball control since he is the one providing that even when he starts on the left.
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    I disagree on evidence we have seen so far. McTominay hides from the ball and isn’t great positionally, he’s not mobile enough to cover Pogba either. I still think Matic and Pogba has been the best combination of any we have tried where Pogba is in the midfield two. At least Matic reads the game well and offers well for the ball. I hope in time McTominay can improve but he has a long way to go to cover for Pogba.
     
    DeGea said:
    I am supportive of Ole but he is an idiot for continuing to pick Fred ahead of VdB. Fred is so poor that VdB can’t possibly be worse. Just cannot possibly be worse. How bad does VdB need to be in training to not get picked ahead of Fred!?

    What has Ole got to lose by giving VdB a run of 5-10 games next to McSauce? I just cannot understand it which suggests it might be something personal. Either that or Ole has a stubborn streak which is not good and might come back and bite him in the backside.

    Journalists should ask this Fred/VdB question directly. Very bizarre.
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    Westham isn't a place to start Donny. Remember Noble shoved him last time when we played there.
     
    Nick7 said:
    I like him, he’s had a few and hasn’t taken any of them. West Ham away isn’t the time for giving someone a “chance”.
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    When has he been given the chance to play alongside Mctominay?

    He's an international, so hardly taking a risk
     
    Fred and McT are natural box to box CMs, a very good fit in a 2 man midfield. Pogba and VdB are not. That's why Fred-McT are chosen regularly, because they are a better fit, not because "they are not good enough to play as the lone DM" or because "Ole is negative by playing 2 DMs". In a 2 man midfield, you hardly ever get a lone DM, and both CMs have to contribute. That's why Pogba and VdB struggle their at times, and McT and Fred are the best options there right now. They are just natural CMs, which we dont have much at our club.
     
    Fluctuation0161 said:
    Pogba can't be trusted as a number 6. Great player if given freedom. He is not good with defensive responsibility I'm afraid.
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    Yet he has been much much better in the pivot than Fred has this season......

    Keep prepetuating this nonsense. He can do it and he did it very well versus Newcastle. It's all about setting up correctly

    Fred costs as many games and is more limited on the ball.
     
    Ranchero said:
    I wasnt saying that we shouldnt be interested in quality players like Sancho. But we do lack quality in midfield which was apparent when down to ten men against Young Boys. We just couldnt keep the ball. I actually think we could afford to be more adventurous and have McT sitting with Lingard on instead of Fred
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    That sounds like a horrible midfield. Neither McTominay nor Lingard offers any sort of significant quality on the ball.
     
    TrustInJanuzaj said:
    I disagree on evidence we have seen so far. McTominay hides from the ball and isn’t great positionally, he’s not mobile enough to cover Pogba either. I still think Matic and Pogba has been the best combination of any we have tried where Pogba is in the midfield two. At least Matic reads the game well and offers well for the ball. I hope in time McTominay can improve but he has a long way to go to cover for Pogba.
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    Yes I'd agree with you if Matic could still run but he isn't able to play 90 minutes a high level anymore.

    Give Pogba and McTominay a run of games together to build a partnership is our best bet.

    All our other patnerships are too flawed straight off the bat.
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    Fred cost us a semi final though.

    They're just as much to blame as anyone else.

    They protect the defense better but cost us on the ball control and passing ability.

    We will have to try move away from them as a pair as it does hold us back in Certain areas.
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    How many big games both in the PL and CL have they played in and won. I know their failings but don't get it, the most successful period since SAF which they played most of the games, yet people have such a negative view of them.
    How do you get that much success if the engine room cost us?
     
    McFred in the midfield because we need two people to do one proper DMF's job. As a result - our marquee signing, Sancho, had to be benched and Pogba is playing on the left wing instead of #8.

    Fecking great. :(
     
    TrustInJanuzaj said:
    We have a £70 million attacker and a £40 million midfielder on the bench! That should be more than enough!
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    I don't rate DvB or Martial so I'm basically hoping for Sancho to change the game if things aren't going our way.
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    Yet he has been much much better in the pivot than Fred has this season......

    Keep prepetuating this nonsense. He can do it and he did it very well versus Newcastle. It's all about setting up correctly

    Fred costs as many games and is more limited on the ball.
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    All true, and it does worry me that Ole persists with a player who’s been woefully poor this season, but we have no choice but to hope that Fred breaks his shambolic form this season starting today.
     
    Can't see West Ham winning this one. They played Thursday and no Antonio. Marginal victory to Utd, if we are clinical in finishing.
     
    Litch said:
    How many big games both in the PL and CL have they played in and won. I know their failings but don't get it, the most successful period since SAF which they played most of the games, yet people have such a negative view of them.
    How do you get that much success if the engine room cost us?
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    Well we where bad versus the top 6 last year. Barely won a game. Seems like at the highest level the engine room was somewhat found out

    Anyway attacking wise we kind of play around our engine room when it's those two as a pair.

    I wouldn't say we where every successful.

    We had some very good moments and some very poor moments too.

    It's certainly an area that is flawed.

    Every midfield partnership we can play is flawed one way or another as we don't have players that suit eachother.

    Even McTominay and Fred don't suit eachother. Sure defensively they do but playing them together exasperates their lack of ability to control a game. To play passes etc.
     
    TheMitz said:
    When has he been given the chance to play alongside Mctominay?

    He's an international, so hardly taking a risk
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    There’s a lot of internationals out there, that doesn’t mean they’re good enough for us. It is absolutely a risk playing someone that hasn’t shown anything away at West Ham.
     
    P-Nut said:
    I don't rate DvB or Martial so I'm basically hoping for Sancho to change the game if things aren't going our way.
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    Forgot Martial, in which case it looks a very strong bench in my opinion.
     
    NewGlory said:
    McFred in the midfield because we need two people to do one proper DMF's job. As a result - our marquee signing, Sancho, had to be benched and Pogba is playing on the left wing instead of #8.

    Fecking great. :(
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    We dont play with a DMF, we play with two CMs. And also, Pogba is better as a LW than as a CM. Fred and McT are our best CMs. Its not their fault that Pogba and VdB struggle at CM. Play Pogba at CM and watch us get annihilated in the counter like against Wolves or Newcastle.
     
    lex talionis said:
    All true, and it does worry me that Ole persists with a player who’s been woefully poor this season, but we have no choice but to hope that Fred breaks his shambolic form this season starting today.
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    Gets given way too much benefit of the doubt.

    It's likely cause people expect so little from him that shite performances are just forgotten about constantly
     
    Highfather_24 said:
    Fred and McT are natural box to box CMs, a very good fit in a 2 man midfield. Pogba and VdB are not. That's why Fred-McT are chosen regularly, because they are a better fit, not because "they are not good enough to play as the lone DM" or because "Ole is negative by playing 2 DMs". In a 2 man midfield, you hardly ever get a lone DM, and both CMs have to contribute. That's why Pogba and VdB struggle their at times, and McT and Fred are the best options there right now. They are just natural CMs, which we dont have much at our club.
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    They are chosen because we don't have a Kanté-style defensive midfielder to put alongside Pogba in the midfield. EVERYBODY knows we need that, except for Ole. That complete idiocy he spouted in the pre-match interview, about not believing in clearly defined, #6,8, and 10 - it was a disaster. If he really thinks that way WE ARE FECKED FOREVER
     
    NewGlory said:
    McFred in the midfield because we need two people to do one proper DMF's job. As a result - our marquee signing, Sancho, had to be benched and Pogba is playing on the left wing instead of #8.

    Fecking great. :(
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    Pogbas shit in midfield. Everytime we play him there against West Ham we lose. Mctominay and Fred will give us much needed control of the game.
     
    JustinC00 said:
    and yet when they both started together Fred was better than him.
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    Fred was better than DVB in the first half? Not sure what game you watched mate, but the amount of times Fred lost the ball was a joke. Saying that, Fred played better in the second 45 but claiming he played better than Donny onntje first 45 is ludicrous.
     
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