Agree with this.
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The market is nothing to do with ETH, all he does is identfy options, we know he wanted Oshimen, Kim and Kane the club didn't give them too him, we know he wanted at least 2-3 in midfield the club didn't give them too him all we got is Mount. It is very rare that every purchase is a sucsess, we knew Fred and McTominay needed replacing and that we needed a back up to Eriksen the Club didn't deliver.
As for the system he is trying to get them playing its the same system City and Liverpool play, and it did take klipity Klopp 4 years to win a trophy while Sir Alex took 6 years to win his first trophy at United.
With the market Chelsea has set, that sounds expensive.
There's a lot of difference between expecting to be world class and expecting him to be atleast competent. He plays like he has never played as a striker before. There is no excuse for him to look that incompetent.
I'm honestly not going to argue about whether we should've started Martial today.
Oh 100%
It's one of the things that frustrates me about Ten Hag. Ferguson wouldn't be keeping quite espeically in light of the media meltdown during the week which absolutely played a part (along with it being that cnut Oliver) in the peno not being givenI seen sancho pull out of at least 3 challenges.
We couldn't afford those players because he put us into debt because we were panic buying after the brighton and brentford losses, spending 150 million on casemiro and antony. This season he should have relied on the scouts finding bargains, instead, he spends most of the budget on mount, onana and hojlund. Onana has so far been worth it, but we could have found cheaper options for the others. Let's not forget kane was bever going to be sold to us.
Liverpool and city don't play like this. There's no game plan, no style of plsy, just typical moments fc nonsense.
Not entirely his fault but when you set your team up in the way he has with the players he selected for those roles not being the right fit, he must shoulder some blame. And I’m fully on board the ETH train and nowhere near ready to jump off it yet but he needs to change stuff before the next game. OK he tried the same again today, can’t really blame him for that. But if he doesn’t for the next game then I would start feeling a bit more concerned.
Agree, if there isnt more business, we are basically reliant on Mainoo or even Hannibal coming into that midfield and excelling if we are to challenge for the top four.
I think he is a good player and of cause he has to develop in to the role, but I think Mount as a number 8 looks a terrible bit of business. He only turns into a good signing for me as competition for Fernandes role.
Our midfield is shambolic as a unit, three players there already signed by Ten Hag, two in there 30's.
Unless something big happens in the rest of the window, even with Hoijlund coming in I think City, Arsenal, Newcastle, Liverpool, Brighton, Chelsea....cant see us finishing higher than half of them ad that isnt a knee jerk reaction, thought that before the season started.People keep saying we need midfielders. We haven’t got a clinical striker.
Excellent post. If you're 6.
Striker is a massive problem. Also if the are going to bring Ramus into the side make it against Forest. God help the poor lad if it is against Arsenal.
Which caliber is Bruno?
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You people really amuse me, all our thrashing started after we signed Bruno. Mourinho lost only ONCE more than 4 goals+, against Chelsea.
Since Bruno came in 2020 look at how many times we have been overrun and hammered. From the top of my head we have shipped more than 4(+) goals in more than 10 games since 2020.
We have changed, McFred, Maguire, Ole, De Gea, brought ETH, Casemiro, Eriksen, Mount, Martinez, Varane but we still get overrun, get dominated in midfield.
Who is the constant in all this? The guy has been involved in all this midfield dominations.
The only time we went away from home and played "well" was under Carrick to Chelsea, crucially Bruno was benched.
Bruno is 29 years in 2 weeks, he has NEVER WON any major club title. He has never played in a champion league semi final game in his CAREER, he has never been involved in a title race in his career but somehow he is world class.
He's is the maguire of our midfield. I said it last season in January. I was called names but untill we move away from Bruno we will never progress as a team.
It's why everything looks disjointed, players are playing not to their strength because we are always in a rush caused by a player who can't hold to a ball, misplace passes, falls over to any touch, tries Hollywood passes every second, can't dribble or run with the ball.
He's the face of the current overrated United team.
Etihad and Anfield will be massacre.I'll admit I'm more worried after the first two games this season than I was last.
We play for the here and now, if he isn't ready to score the goals then it's a questionable signing given we had a limited budget this summer.
Ten Hag was my first choice and I was so glad we got him, but he's had more than a season to prove we have a style of play, yet we don't. He's backed himself into a corner tactically with the Mount signing and our midfield is being bypassed at ease, not to mention the lack of cutting edge and ruthlessness infront of goal, can't remember the last time I said that about a United team.
Yea, I said it before but I am skeptical about Mount singing and don't think he is not the profile of midfielder that we needed. But we decided to spunk 55m on an attacking midfielder and are now trying to convert him into a no.8. Why not just sign one who is ready made for that role? His signing continues to baffle me to no end. Two games in a row now where we are completely outplayed in the midfield.
yet only world class striker can hold up the ball and link up in tight space surrounded by 4-5 opposition players.
Agreed, but the best players seemed to be unavailable to us. The good choices were Kane and Oshimen.
We had to buy someone. I would rather buy someone with potential to be world class than buy a mid player that's just there to be a body.
He can and should do a lot more. I see those fake jumps with no intention of winning the header or those half arsed presses he makes.
Your last paragraph is mostly incorrect, there's clearly a game plan, and there's clearly a style of play, the problem is that the players are struggling to implement them, and they fall back onto the "moments fc" style when things get tough.
Yes me too, think we all knew we were bringing players in after those games which definitely improved us. This time we are looking highly unlikely to do the same. The hope is resting on a heavily priced and inexperienced striker to fix us.
EtH priorities were wrong if he thought his first signing should be a similar player to Bruno and Eriksen when everyone with eyes could see how weak we are defensively in midfield.
We are now weaker without Fred, and he was never good enough.Unpopular opinion but Rashford saved him last season
What game plan? Where was it? There's no style of plsy, at least not the one people tell me ETH prefers. You can blame the players, but the fact they look uncoached and unable to implement it suggests ETH is fecking up.
This is half the problem. We’d then have two poor right wingers instead of three capable left wingers.
Something’s gotta give.
I actually think Pellistri will play a lot down the right this year.
We could sell him for £50m tomorrow. He’d be brilliant elsewhere as he’s a top footballer.
Utterly pointless to keep him to play as understudy to two players though.
There definitely is a plan, and an attempted style of play, similar to Klopp's Liverpool really, the players are just doing a rubbish job of implementing it. Today we were completely on top for most of the first half, but after their goal we didn't match their intensity and half the team were trying to rush things and ended up unable to hold onto the ball.
Tell me what it is. The fact you can't even tell me and then give a wrong comparison is telling.
he cant, its been known for years that rashford excels only when hes given space to exploit but now we know that hes too dumb to create space by making smart movements.I hope this is satire
they couldn't string two passes together last season
we are not playing last season, i think in at least 4 or 5 positions they had/have better players than we had today. Their right back was good, their holding midfield players were better than we have, Maddison played better than Fernandes, Son at the left is better than we have and although Richarlison wasn’t good he is better than we have because we don’t have any strikers at all at the moment. They bought well to replace Lloris.
Ofcourse we have good and maybe even better players in a lot of positions but we are unorganized and unbalanced right now. Let’s hope we can improve soon.Not enough goals.
Martial needs to start with Rashford on the left.
Varane and Cassemeiro shouldn’t be getting our best chances.
Need Amrabat in the midfield and a proper striker to pair with Martial.
I posted the exact same thing. I don’t know quite what to think right now. I’d been looking forward to the season all summer and now I feel deflated.
We can only hope that Rasmus is the player we so desperately need him to be, but I don’t think he can save us. We need to get rid of the owners and start afresh.
Couldn’t agree more. Get some much needed money in for a late transfer splurge. Don’t really want to see him playing for us again.
This is the only thing that really matters really.
Until then we just need to hope ETH gets his wish with Maguire and Mctominay moved on, with replacements for them brought in.Anthony is too predictable on right. He needs to either come off bench, or play on left. I would try that honestly.
I did tell you what it is, and I offered a great example of where we want to be. Just because the team didn't execute the plan well doesn't mean there wasn't one - its very childish to suggest that EtH told the players to go out and have fun without any direction.
They didn’t. Rashford hit the keeper from 5 yards out, Bruno had a free header missed from 6 yards out and Anthony hit the post with just the keeper to beat. Varane and Casemiro just had the bollocks to make the keeper save itI suppose the silver lining is another false dawn for Spurs to laugh at further down the line, I doubt it will take long to unravel.
Are you shocked, or did you think we were better today than vs Wolves?
Moving those two on is important, but even if we do, they won’t raise enough cash to be able to impact the team with new players.
Aside from that, I do wonder about how the players are being coached and why they can’t hold onto the ball and do the very basic things right. Too many long balls forward and lofty square passes in dangerous positions that are at best 50/50 and usually leave us wide open.
The 2nd leg in Sevilla and the game at Anfield were two of the worst games I’ve seen us play in over 40 years of watching United and as I watched the Wolves game on Monday night, I just imagined how things might pan out against the better teams that we’ll face. It ain’t gonna be pretty.- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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10%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
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8%
Raphael Varane
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3%
Casemiro
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2%
Luke Shaw
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2%
Mason Mount
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2%
Jadon Sancho
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2%
Facundo Pellistri
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1%
Bruno Fernandes
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1%
Alejandro Garnacho
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1%
Lisandro Martinez
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1%
Diogo Dalot
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 282 ratings.
Score Predictions
158,67,81
- Man Utd win
- Tottenham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 27% Tottenham 1:2 Man Utd
- 17% Tottenham 1:1 Man Utd
- 10% Tottenham 0:2 Man Utd
- 9% Tottenham 2:1 Man Utd
- 8% Tottenham 2:2 Man Utd
- 7% Tottenham 1:3 Man Utd
- 7% Tottenham 2:0 Man Utd
- 5% Tottenham 0:1 Man Utd
- 2% Tottenham 3:1 Man Utd
- 2% Tottenham 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Tottenham 1:0 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 0:5 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 6:0 Man Utd
- 0% Tottenham 9:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Tottenham
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 56% 44%
- Shots
- 17 22
- Shots on Target
- 6 6
- Corners
- 5 6
- Fouls
- 9 8
Referee
Michael Oliver
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Diogo Dalot
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replaced by Facundo Pellistri
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replaced by Anthony Martial
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replaced by Jadon Sancho
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replaced by Christian Eriksen
