Tottenham Hotspur 2:0 Manchester United

Santoryo · Jan 27, 2018

RedRom said:
I have put my team that I think should play in a previous post, no way should the most in form player for us, and probably the league not play, plus you have to take into consideration his record at Wembley, it all leads one to say Lingard has to start, not starting him is crazy.

Wouldn't necessarily be crazy. Most of our attackers are in form and it wouldn't be unlike Jose to play a 3 in midfield against a top team especially away. Lukaku is a cert to lead the line, Sanchez is starting and Martial who is actually the league most inform player is also expected to start, Jose even rested him.

Unless Jose goes with 2 in midfield than Jesse is likely to start from the bench.

Godfather · Jan 27, 2018

So who is out for them? Is Eriksen fit? Either way we should win this. Can't wait for Alexis playing with our A team.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

ivaldo said:
Purely for the positions they play in. Lingard is significantly better playing at #10 than he is playing wide, agreed? In a 4-3-3 there is no room for a #10 but there is a left forward.

I think that Lingard is great playing in either role, and anyway you simply cannot drop someone who is this bang in form.

podurban2 · Jan 27, 2018

Santoryo said:
Wouldn't necessarily be crazy. Most of our attackers are in form and it wouldn't be unlike Jose to play a 3 in midfield against a top team especially away. Lukaku is a cert to lead the line, Sanchez is starting and Martial who is actually the league most inform player is also expected to start, Jose even rested him.

Unless Jose goes with 2 in midfield than Jesse is likely to start from the bench.

Jessi can be part of a 3 man midfield though, and we don’t have anyone better to put in there.

ivaldo · Jan 27, 2018

RedRom said:
I think that Lingard is great playing in either role, and anyway you simply cannot drop someone who is this bang in form.

You don't play a play out of position just because he is in form. His form has been built on playing #10 role, not out wide, especially when it means he's taking the place of another in form player more accustomed to the role or another who is world class.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Santoryo said:
Wouldn't necessarily be crazy. Most of our attackers are in form and it wouldn't be unlike Jose to play a 3 in midfield against a top team especially away. Lukaku is a cert to lead the line, Sanchez is starting and Martial who is actually the league most inform player is also expected to start, Jose even rested him.

Unless Jose goes with 2 in midfield than Jesse is likely to start from the bench.

You could say José rested Lingard as well, Ashe only brought him on for a few minutes, it is just that he is so good at the moment, that he scored, as below usually does at the moment.

It is just madness to think of not playing Lingard, he is bang in form, and has a great record of doing well at Wembley.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

ivaldo said:
You don't play a play out of position just because he is in form. His form has been built on playing #10 role, not out wide, especially when it means he's taking the place of another in form player more accustomed to the role or another who is world class.

Lingard can play alongside other top level players, and he just raises his game to match them, so whichever role you ask of him, he does it very well, so if asked to play a more wider role, but still cutting in, then I am sure that he could do it.

Either way, he just has to start, he is bang in form at the moment, and José resting him for most of the match last night was very telling indeed about his intentions I feel.

Tincanalley · Jan 27, 2018

RedRom said:
How on earth are there people not starting with arguably the most in-form player in the whole country???

Lingard has to start, and will obviously start, not to mention his great record of playing at Wembley!

Come on people, have some commonsense here!

Good point. (I am having a Messi Lingod dilemma. Entering the critical phase. The centrifugal force of repeated spinning and highly amplified G’s has my saliva at boiling point. It’s almost a religious experience). On at halftime?

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Tincanalley said:
Good point. (I am having a Messi Lingod dilemma. Entering the critical phase. The centrifugal force of repeated spinning and highly amplified G’s has my saliva at boiling point. It’s almost a religious experience). On at halftime?

Try on from the start!

Godfather · Jan 27, 2018

The thing is if Lingard starts we sure as hell go with 4-2-3-1 and I'm not sure Pogba and Matic in CM will be enough.

Alabaster Codify7 · Jan 27, 2018

Huge game, but this screams 'dropped points' to me.

----------------DDG------------------------
Valencia---Smalling----Jones------Young
-----------Matic-----Pogba----------------
Mata----------Sanchez------------Martial
-----------------Lukaku--------------------

SUBS - Rashford (Martial), Lingard (Mata), Fellaini (Matic)

Spurs 2 - 2 Man United
Dele Alli, Kane
Martial, Sanchez

Tincanalley · Jan 27, 2018

Anyone see Rojo getting a game? I know he played 90 minutes v Yeovil

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Godfather said:
The thing is if Lingard starts we sure as hell go with 4-2-3-1 and I'm not sure Pogba and Matic in CM will be enough.

Why would it not be enough? Do you think Spurs could contain all of our attacking players?

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Alabaster Codify7 said:
Huge game, but this screams 'dropped points' to me.

----------------DDG------------------------
Valencia---Smalling----Jones------Young
-----------Matic-----Pogba----------------
Mata----------Sanchez------------Martial
-----------------Lukaku--------------------

SUBS - Rashford (Martial), Lingard (Mata), Fellaini (Matic)

Spurs 2 - 2 Man United
Dele Alli, Kane
Martial, Sanchez

No Lingard from the start is s bit odd.

ivaldo · Jan 27, 2018

RedRom said:
Lingard can play alongside other top level players, and he just raises his game to match them, so whichever role you ask of him, he does it very well, so if asked to play a more wider role, but still cutting in, then I am sure that he could do it.

Either way, he just has to start, he is bang in form at the moment, and José resting him for most of the match last night was very telling indeed about his intentions I feel.

Now come on, that's simply not true. Even his biggest admirers will agree he needs to play centrally. There's plenty of evidence floating around to attest this. Ultimately you're either going to be dropping another in form player to play him away from his best position, or you're going to play a less effective formation to accommodate him.

Lingards biggest strength is his ability to find space where there shouldn't be any. Out wide his chances to do that are less, and he doesn't have the overwhelming pace or dribbling ability to square up his man and beat him.

I have a sneaky suspicion Jose will play 4-2-3-1 with Lingard behind Lingard, which I think is a mistake for the reasons I mentioned in a previous post. I'm be glad to be wrong though.

ManuMou · Jan 27, 2018

There is no way to drop Messe Lingod.

So logically, the only way to start Sanchez......

4-2-3-1

--------------Lukaku--------------------
Martial-----Sanchez------Messe Lingod
--------Matic--------Pogba--------------
Young----Jones---Smalling----Valencia

What a starting XI there ! Full or energy there from Matic, Pogba, Sanchez and Lingod !

I am ready to unzip

Sanchez/Lingard positions could be other way round. Who cares man? Come on United !

Is this our best starting XI post Fergie ?

haram · Jan 27, 2018

What if Spurs went back to a 3 at the back? Wanyama is back as well.

Grande · Jan 27, 2018

ivaldo said:
Now come on, that's simply not true. Even his biggest admirers will agree he needs to play centrally. There's plenty of evidence floating around to attest this. Ultimately you're either going to be dropping another in form player to play him away from his best position, or you're going to play a less effective formation to accommodate him.

Lingards biggest strength is his ability to find space where there shouldn't be any. Out wide his chances to do that are less, and he doesn't have the overwhelming pace or dribbling ability to square up his man and beat him.

I have a sneaky suspicion Jose will play 4-2-3-1 with Lingard behind Lingard, which I think is a mistake for the reasons I mentioned in a previous post. I'm be glad to be wrong though.

If he does, it’s likely to be a mistake ...
Joking aside, Jose will likely line up differently away against Spurs than most other matches, and who plays will depend as much on tactics and personal profile as on form and general anility.

I expect Matic to be accompanied by Fellaini or Herrera, so two of Mata, Lingard, Martial and Sanchez doesn’t start. If Not, I would be surprised if Lingard doesn’t play an 10/8 role.

ManuMou · Jan 27, 2018

haram said:
What if Spurs went back to a 3 at the back? Wanyama is back as well.

If Jose plays 3 at the back system, its easily a 3-4-1-2

----Martial-----Lukaku------
----------Sanchez-----------

Sanchez playing half #10 and half #8

Also full of energy from Matic Pogba Sanchez

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

ManuMou said:
There is no way to drop Messe Lingod.

So logically, the only way to start Sanchez......

4-2-3-1

--------------Lukaku--------------------
Martial-----Sanchez------Messe Lingod
--------Matic--------Pogba--------------
Young----Jones---Smalling----Valencia

What a starting XI there ! Full or energy there from Matic, Pogba, Sanchez and Lingod !

I am ready to unzip

Sanchez/Lingard positions could be other way round. Who cares man? Come on United !

Is this our best starting XI post Fergie ?

The best would be swapping Smalling for Bailly, so just one away, but yes it is very exciting indeed!!

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

ivaldo said:
Now come on, that's simply not true. Even his biggest admirers will agree he needs to play centrally. There's plenty of evidence floating around to attest this. Ultimately you're either going to be dropping another in form player to play him away from his best position, or you're going to play a less effective formation to accommodate him.

Lingards biggest strength is his ability to find space where there shouldn't be any. Out wide his chances to do that are less, and he doesn't have the overwhelming pace or dribbling ability to square up his man and beat him.

I have a sneaky suspicion Jose will play 4-2-3-1 with Lingard behind Lingard, which I think is a mistake for the reasons I mentioned in a previous post. I'm be glad to be wrong though.

We have another Lingard??!! Where have we been hiding him, I would love to see two Lingards play!

rotherham_red · Jan 27, 2018

I think we might see a back three, so that we can fit Sanchez, Martial and Lingard around Lukaku while also having the correct shape in midfield

PS - I'm going to the game! Can't bloody wait!!

ManuMou · Jan 27, 2018

RedRom said:
The best would be swapping Smalling for Bailly, so just one away, but yes it is very exciting indeed!!

Yea I missed out on Bailly/Smalling there. I was actually focusing on the front 6 lol :lol:

Android1974 · Jan 27, 2018

GlastonSpur said:
That's because Alderweireld has been out for a longish while (he should be back for this match). Without him we don't have the personnel to play 3 at the back except by moving Dier away from his normal DM role, which we mostly haven't been able to do because Wanyama has also been out injured.

Before that we normally played with Sanchez - Alderweireld - Vertonghen at the back. I'm not saying we'll necessarily revert to this formation, but we might well.

I very much doubt Pochettino will start Sánchez at the back against us, he knows Mourinho has his number since the Europa League final.

Android1974 · Jan 27, 2018

ivaldo said:
He is playing better than anyone else at the moment, and he has that ability to create a goal by himself. You don't drop a player in red hot form to play someone else away from their best position.

You don't, but Mourinho does it all the time.

cyberman · Jan 27, 2018

@rotherham_red
I agree. A back 3 would allow us to push up since Spurs haven't got the pace to get in behind with Jones / Lindeloff stepping forward into midfield to add a 3rd body when needed.

Android1974 · Jan 27, 2018

ivaldo said:
Purely for the positions they play in. Lingard is significantly better playing at #10 than he is playing wide, agreed? In a 4-3-3 there is no room for a #10 but there is a left forward.

Mourinho did play Lingard in the leftwing and Martial as a center forward against Everton away, though.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

ManuMou said:
Yea I missed out on Bailly/Smalling there. I was actually focusing on the front 6 lol

No worries, that forward line is scary enough to warrant all of anyone's concentration!

Android1974 · Jan 27, 2018

Godfather said:
The thing is if Lingard starts we sure as hell go with 4-2-3-1 and I'm not sure Pogba and Matic in CM will be enough.

We didn't at Burnley away, where we played 4-3-3 with Lingard as #8 on the rightcenter midfield, so why would we not against Tottenham? You can say Herrera fits better, if we're to worry defensively, though.

Android1974 · Jan 27, 2018

ManuMou said:
If Jose plays 3 at the back system, its easily a 3-4-1-2

----Martial-----Lukaku------
----------Sanchez-----------

Sanchez playing half #10 and half #8

Also full of energy from Matic Pogba Sanchez

Don't believe that, with that system Lingard and Sánchez definitely play, one of Martial or Lukaku would be dropped.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Android1974 said:
We didn't at Burnley away, where we played 4-3-3 with Lingard as #8 on the rightcenter midfield, so why would we not against Tottenham? You can say Herrera fits better, if we're to worry defensively, though.

Why think defensively? Lets the opposition worry about their defence, and how they are going to stop our formidable attack I say.
Unleash them all!!

Android1974 · Jan 27, 2018

RedRom said:
Why think defensively? Lets the opposition worry about their defence, and how they are going to stop our formidable attack I say.
Unleash them all!!

Why think defensively? Because Mourinho.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Android1974 said:
Why think defensively? Because Mourinho.

Okay, we shall see, but I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this particular point.

ivaldo · Jan 27, 2018

Grande said:
If he does, it’s likely to be a mistake ...
Joking aside, Jose will likely line up differently away against Spurs than most other matches, and who plays will depend as much on tactics and personal profile as on form and general anility.

I expect Matic to be accompanied by Fellaini or Herrera, so two of Mata, Lingard, Martial and Sanchez doesn’t start. If Not, I would be surprised if Lingard doesn’t play an 10/8 role.

RedRom said:
We have another Lingard??!! Where have we been hiding him, I would love to see two Lingards play!

Just imagine those celebrations.

Android1974 said:
Mourinho did play Lingard in the leftwing and Martial as a center forward against Everton away, though.

I can't see him playing without Lukaku as his CF, now he's found a little bit of his old form.

GlastonSpur · Jan 27, 2018

Android1974 said:
I very much doubt Pochettino will start Sánchez at the back against us, he knows Mourinho has his number since the Europa League final.

Meh ... what does a one-off game in the EL prove?

Besides, playing alongside Alderweireld and Vertonghen is a different kettle of fish, not to mention the benefit of coaching by Poch.

Assuming that Alderweireld is match-fit, I'd say 3 at the back for Spurs is more likely than not.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Let Spurs play three or four at the back, I doubt that it will really make all that much difference if we play to our potential.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Jan 27, 2018

Something really satisfying about having Lingard, Sanchez and Herrera in a lineup for a big game, all will work their bollocks off and be a pest for the opposition.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Jan 27, 2018

Godfather said:
So who is out for them? Is Eriksen fit? Either way we should win this. Can't wait for Alexis playing with our A team.

They have a lot of their players that are expected to return for our game; Eriksen, Lloris, Rose and Alderweireld all set to be back to training today. Leaving Winks and Aurier as the only possible doubts but even they are expected to return by the 31st.

Mihai · Jan 27, 2018

Android1974 said:
Alright, but who do you drop, then?

No one, Sanchez instead of Mata and Lingard in midfield. Like against Burnley. I just have a feeling we will go with 3 in midfield Matic, Pogba and Herrera and Sanchez, Lukaku and Lingard in attack, which will be a shame as Martial has been in form recently.

RedRom · Jan 27, 2018

Mihai said:
No one, Sanchez instead of Mata and Lingard in midfield. Like against Burnley. I just have a feeling we will go with 3 in midfield Matic, Pogba and Herrera and Sanchez, Lukaku and Lingard in attack, which will be a shame as Martial has been in form recently.

Why not just play, Sanchez, Martial, Lingard, Pogba and Lukaku?
That would be mouthwateringly good!

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