Europa League Quarter-Final 2nd Leg

Sevilla 3:0 Manchester United

Ramon Sanchez-Pizjuan Stadium

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    Oranges038 said:
    He's not.

    Not even worth half that of a quarter of that.

    I genuinely believe he is one of the most over rated keepers in the history of the game.
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    We cannot forget that he has been a top keeper for us in the past. But he is being asked to play in a way that he is incapable of doing. He is a top shot stopper.. But his distribution is rubbish and he never dominates his area at corners. What gets me about this is this was a quarter final of a major European trophy. QUARTER FINAL. And we showed no passion or desire, at all. That is a total and utter disgrace.
     
    Rayman96 said:
    I do feel ETH has had too many shit the bed moments in a short time.

    First game of the season.
    Liverpool away
    Man city away
    Arsenal away
    tonight

    Not saying we win all these games but lets be honest we stunk the place out in them all bar arsenal. Is he bottling it?
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    I'd forgive the Arsenal game, but you could easily put the Newcastle game in there.
     
    I think Sancho should have stayed on! He made a couple if good us during the first half. Having him taken off and then Martial getting injured. Left us no options.
     
    It makes me laugh that Paul Scholes says that we are a better team than Sevilla, after we were just thumped. He actually said that. You cannot say that. Sevilla showed the right mentality, they had the heart and they had the passion. If you don't have that in a quarter final, how can you be the better team. It is a ridiculous thing to say.
     
    Yorke to Cole said:
    I think Sancho should have stayed on! He made a couple if good us during the first half. Having him taken off and then Martial getting injured. Left us no options.
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    The substitutions were ridiculous. Wan Bissaka did nothing wrong. Sancho needed to get some confidence. The issues were not them. Easy targets.
     
    sparx99 said:
    A number of our new faces have helped us in that regard. Generally Martinez, Malacia, Casemiro and Antony are up for the fight. Garnacho as well.

    Unfortunately, we had an Ole team out there today. De Gea, Lindelof, Maguire, Sancho and Martial all play with a lack of intensity. It’s half the team and it’s too many.
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    Even with them, I've not seen us play like that. Individually we have moments, but never collectively. Not by design.
     
    sixdwarf said:
    The substitutions were ridiculous. Wan Bissaka did nothing wrong. Sancho needed to get some confidence. The issues were not them. Easy targets.
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    :lol: :lol:
    Both were crap. Not that it means DDG and Maguire were not. But it is hilarious if one thinks that was good performance by Sancho or AWB. The bar would have to be set way too low.
     
    Where are all those fans who thought we just needed a CFW to Win a title?

    Reality Check -
    De Gea out (He’s an ageing liability and 200k new contract is obscene for his current level especially with his feet) Hopefully new owners come in quickly and cancel that idea.

    Maguire out (Another 200k contract agreed by the moron the Glazers put in charge!)

    Sabitzer - No thank you

    Weghorst - No thank you

    J Sancho. - 6 months to prove himself

    Ericssen was clearly not ready for 90 mins Should be back up next season)

    Fred - Just not good enough sell

    Lindelof - 6 Months to prove himself


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    Henderson, Bailey, Teles, DVB, A Elanga should all be sold. We would have been better playing T Mengdi today than Maguire, he’s that bad!

    Before anything positive can happen to our club, we need to get the parasites to leave, this is on them as they have recruited so badly in the last 10 years, our squad is barely a top 8 squad right now and we have a good manager that’s getting the max out of them, I’d rather lose the cup semi final to Brighton now and make sure we regroup and get the 4/5 wins from the PL to guarantee CL, this team without Varane and Fernandez at the back have also seemed to have an impact on Casemiro performance whose been off the pace massively in last 3/4 games.

    The absolute reality is the club need to sell or get rid of all the listed above players and buy; A GK, RB, CB, DM, CM, MF, LW, CF, Back up STRIKER, that’s 9 players probably over two transfer windows not one.
     
    Only caught the first 10 minutes.

    Were there any slight positives? Anyone not play really badly? Contentious moments? How was ETH's game management?
     
    DomesticTadpole said:
    ETH has been hamstrung by awful decisions made by the previous manager and Woodward. Renewing contracts that were not deserved. Overpaying fees and big wages to players not worth anywhere near those amounts.
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    Jose said it years ago, he got 350k a week and he had nowhere else to go. Not one top team wanted on needed him, yet Ed threw 350k a week at him. It's the same now, not one top club needs or wants him.

    Yet somehow he might manage to get a new deal on 200k a week?

    sixdwarf said:
    We cannot forget that he has been a top keeper for us in the past. But he is being asked to play in a way that he is incapable of doing. He is a top shot stopper.. But his distribution is rubbish and he never dominates his area at corners. What gets me about this is this was a quarter final of a major European trophy. QUARTER FINAL. And we showed no passion or desire, at all. That is a total and utter disgrace.
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    He was really good a one thing, sharp reflex stops. That was it. It helped him to excel in the chaos he helped to create with his otherwise ridiculously passive style.
     
    Barnslig said:
    Feel like we're saying this every two weeks tbh, worrying that we keep lowering the bar every so often. Progress with ETH definitely slowed down and he doesn't seem to be able to coach the lacklustre trait out of this team, it's incredible that we can play very well one week and then look like a pub team the following game.
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    Some of the players have fundamental flaws in their game. We saw today how poor Maguire and DDG can get. Both of them have proven that they cant be taught how to improve by making the same errors over and over again.

    Theres a reason why Pep has 2 players per position. It allows him to rotate but still keep the same playing style and quality.
     
    RedDevil@84 said:
    :lol: :lol:
    Both were crap. Not that it means DDG and Maguire were not. But it is hilarious if one thinks that was good performance by Sancho or AWB. The bar would have to be set way too low.
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    No.. I am not saying that they were good. But they were by no means the worst on that pitch.
     
    RedDevil@84 said:
    So De Gea and Maguire start the FA cup game?
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    Maguire is suspended for the Brighton game i believe. As for tonight it is what it is the players that got managers the sack are still producing the same performances at a consistent level.
     
    Oranges038 said:
    Jose said it years ago, he got 350k a week and he had nowhere else to go. Not one top team wanted on needed him, yet Ed threw 350k a week at him. It's the same now, not one top club needs or wants him.

    Yet somehow he might manage to get a new deal on 200k a week?



    He was really good a one thing, sharp reflex stops. That was it. It helped him to excel in the chaos he helped to create with his otherwise ridiculously passive style.
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    When we won the EL it was Sergio Romero in goal not DDG. Says something.
     
    I do wonder why we did not bring Bailly back from on loan. Shaw looks like he took another knock having just returned from injury. We cannot field two proper central defenders for an FA Cup semi coming up with Maguire suspended. Now the harshest of us might say Maguire is no loss after today's performance, but really we have zero options.
     
    The below was by far our biggest problem tonight. Way way too deep D line. Sevilla could defend with 11 guys, and then when they won the ball they just needed to poke the ball loose and go on the attack. Extreme collapse on behalf of both our CBs.

     
    Said there’d be things worse before it got better, tonight definitely one. Played into their hands.

    Gawd knows what will happen Sunday.
     
    sixdwarf said:
    It makes me laugh that Paul Scholes says that we are a better team than Sevilla, after we were just thumped. He actually said that. You cannot say that. Sevilla showed the right mentality, they had the heart and they had the passion. If you don't have that in a quarter final, how can you be the better team. It is a ridiculous thing to say.
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    We clearly are the better team in terms of quality, but we didn't match them for intensity, nor were we able to keep our heads in the hostile atmosphere.
     
    Cant beleive pundits are saying how good Sevilla were? They werent, they were bang average, not a patch on past Sevilla sides. They scoed four goals and three were from mistakes or defelections and DeGea should have saved the other one.

    The simple truth is our first eleven is 2-4players short quality wise for a season and our squad is huge, but it is over loaded in certain positions and almsot fallow in others.

    I am confident we reach the champions league, so regardless of the fa cup, that woudl make a decent season.

    BUT, there are still a good 10-15 players on our books for me shouldnt be for differign reasons and we are still a big window short of challenging for the major honours,

    All our centre backs beyond Varane/Martinez are not good enough, the improvement of some players is a myth under Ten Hag as well.

    Its the managers mentality with these players and the additions of Casemeiro and Martinez that have made the difference this season. We are not much further on in reality bar those two than we were when SOlkjear came second.

    There are a lot of players here wouldnt be playing for any of the other big sides both in our league and in Europe and they shouldnt be playing for us
     
    sixdwarf said:
    But if you have no intensity, you have nothing.
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    Intensity can definitely bridge a gap in quality, as it did tonight, but this Sevilla team are as average as it gets and we should have cruised through this round. The damage was done by their outrageous fluke goals in the first leg.
     
    Injuries and fatigue have caught up with us. Expecting to get beaten on Sunday too. Lads are flying back to Farnborough tomorrow to get ready In London. Schedule is ridiculous
     
    sixdwarf said:
    We cannot forget that he has been a top keeper for us in the past. But he is being asked to play in a way that he is incapable of doing. He is a top shot stopper.. But his distribution is rubbish and he never dominates his area at corners. What gets me about this is this was a quarter final of a major European trophy. QUARTER FINAL. And we showed no passion or desire, at all. That is a total and utter disgrace.
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    I get that it's in vogue to play out from tge back, but when the opposition has three players close to the central part of your 18-yard box, surely a player shouldn't feel pressured to play a short ball. Is there no flexibility in play these days. That ball to Maguire was a suicide pass. Maguire's pass was also a suicide pass. Over the two legs they scored five fluke and/or gift goals. I'll give them Malacia as a pressured OG and header today off the shoulder as only somewhat a fluke. The other three were nuts.
     
    Here's a thought. You shouldn't have to play out from the back if the option is to play a dangerous pass or play a long ball. Choose the long ball. I don't understand the all or nothing mentalitty of playing out from the back. It's eight minutes in, why the obsession with possession?
     
    Incredibly poor starting eleven and nothing much off the bench
    Squad needs a lot of work over the summer
     
    Woziak said:
    Where are all those fans who thought we just needed a CFW to Win a title?

    Reality Check -
    De Gea out (He’s an ageing liability and 200k new contract is obscene for his current level especially with his feet) Hopefully new owners come in quickly and cancel that idea.

    Maguire out (Another 200k contract agreed by the moron the Glazers put in charge!)

    Sabitzer - No thank you

    Weghorst - No thank you

    J Sancho. - 6 months to prove himself

    Ericssen was clearly not ready for 90 mins Should be back up next season)

    Fred - Just not good enough sell

    Lindelof - 6 Months to prove himself


    Plus
    Henderson, Bailey, Teles, DVB, A Elanga should all be sold. We would have been better playing T Mengdi today than Maguire, he’s that bad!

    Before anything positive can happen to our club, we need to get the parasites to leave, this is on them as they have recruited so badly in the last 10 years, our squad is barely a top 8 squad right now and we have a good manager that’s getting the max out of them, I’d rather lose the cup semi final to Brighton now and make sure we regroup and get the 4/5 wins from the PL to guarantee CL, this team without Varane and Fernandez at the back have also seemed to have an impact on Casemiro performance whose been off the pace massively in last 3/4 games.

    The absolute reality is the club need to sell or get rid of all the listed above players and buy; A GK, RB, CB, DM, CM, MF, LW, CF, Back up STRIKER, that’s 9 players probably over two transfer windows not one.
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    Yes, reluctantly I agree with this.
     
    jem said:
    I'd forgive the Arsenal game, but you could easily put the Newcastle game in there.
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    What can I fault him for last night?

    Maybe if he is rigid about playing out from the back. Perhaps motivation, but honestly players at that level shouldn't need to be motivated by their manager.

    He didn't have much choice in the starting XI but I wonder what's happened to him and Fred.
     
    The reality is both De Gea and Maguire will have the odd good game, De Gea more often than Maguire and both do have some strengths. However their glaring weaknesses get exposed in the important games. You could blame either or both for the first goal but it goes back to the constant issue both continue to demonstrate and that is they're awful with their feet and decision making. The third goal again just re-emphasises De Gea's complete lack of ability with his feet.

    I get the argument that Dave has made big saves this season and kept us in games but I still come back to the reality that when big games are on the line neither player will help us control things and will ultimately cost us more games.

    Maguire is arguably the worst signing United have made in my lifetime of nearly 40 years, mainly due to the price and what we got for our money and he is the epitome of everything United isn't.

    As a team though we look like we've run out of steam, and have done for a few weeks to be honest but then ETH will continue to pick the same players week in, week out without really being able to rest players due to the lack of squad depth. This is something we'll hopefully address in the summer.

    Reality is though when the season started a lot of people on here didn't even think we'd get top 4 let alone win a trophy. We're still in the mix for top 4 and in a good place in that regard and a trophy is in the cabinet. If we finish top 4 regardless of the FA Cup at the weekend, I still think it'll have been a cracking first season under ETH.
     
    mikeyt said:
    The reality is both De Gea and Maguire will have the odd good game, De Gea more often than Maguire and both do have some strengths. However their glaring weaknesses get exposed in the important games. You could blame either or both for the first goal but it goes back to the constant issue both continue to demonstrate and that is they're awful with their feet and decision making. The third goal again just re-emphasises De Gea's complete lack of ability with his feet.

    I get the argument that Dave has made big saves this season and kept us in games but I still come back to the reality that when big games are on the line neither player will help us control things and will ultimately cost us more games.

    Maguire is arguably the worst signing United have made in my lifetime of nearly 40 years, mainly due to the price and what we got for our money and he is the epitome of everything United isn't.

    As a team though we look like we've run out of steam, and have done for a few weeks to be honest but then ETH will continue to pick the same players week in, week out without really being able to rest players due to the lack of squad depth. This is something we'll hopefully address in the summer.

    Reality is though when the season started a lot of people on here didn't even think we'd get top 4 let alone win a trophy. We're still in the mix for top 4 and in a good place in that regard and a trophy is in the cabinet. If we finish top 4 regardless of the FA Cup at the weekend, I still think it'll have been a cracking first season under ETH.
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    I agree with this as well. Take Arsenal for example. I don’t think they played a full strength team for the entirety of the Europa League this season. Yet when we are in the Europa it’s full strength every Thursday. I really don’t get it. Focus on the league. If we are in the Champions League totally fair enough to play full strength in that too. But for me United should never be in the Europa. Even Spurs don’t take the tournament seriously.
     
    mikeyt said:
    The reality is both De Gea and Maguire will have the odd good game, De Gea more often than Maguire and both do have some strengths. However their glaring weaknesses get exposed in the important games. You could blame either or both for the first goal but it goes back to the constant issue both continue to demonstrate and that is they're awful with their feet and decision making. The third goal again just re-emphasises De Gea's complete lack of ability with his feet.

    I get the argument that Dave has made big saves this season and kept us in games but I still come back to the reality that when big games are on the line neither player will help us control things and will ultimately cost us more games.

    Maguire is arguably the worst signing United have made in my lifetime of nearly 40 years, mainly due to the price and what we got for our money and he is the epitome of everything United isn't.

    As a team though we look like we've run out of steam, and have done for a few weeks to be honest but then ETH will continue to pick the same players week in, week out without really being able to rest players due to the lack of squad depth. This is something we'll hopefully address in the summer.

    Reality is though when the season started a lot of people on here didn't even think we'd get top 4 let alone win a trophy. We're still in the mix for top 4 and in a good place in that regard and a trophy is in the cabinet. If we finish top 4 regardless of the FA Cup at the weekend, I still think it'll have been a cracking first season under ETH.
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    And if we play like last night we’ll get thrashed by Brighton twice, and be lucky to win 3 from the last 8 EPL games ending up 5th or 6th. ETH needs to concentrate on the PL nothing else matters now. He needs 4 wins and a draw from 8 games.
     
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38% 62%
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20 16
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