Yep, shocking. Who would have thought. Must be a conspiracy.
FA Cup 5th Round
Preston North End 1:3 Manchester United
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Rooney up front was good but our lack of urgency until we go behind is a real worry. We should be going to places like this and dictating the pace of the game from the early stages. Credit to Fellaini again but it's remarkable how he seems to be our biggest goal threat when we need to score, considering the money that has been forked out. Anyway, a win is a win and Van Gaal achieved what he set out to do at the start of the night - make it to the quarter finals.
As delighted as I am that the equaliser stood, I think Rooney was offside. He was interfering with play by directly effecting Stuckmann's movement towards the ball - there was a clear hesitation evident in the goalkeeper's actions, which would not have occurred had Rooney not been there. He may well have reached the ball before it got to the corner of the net.
Also, great noise from the away section tonight. It's always so much louder when more season ticket holders get tickets.
He wasn't "at fault", in fact he did very well in the situation. But he almost touched the ball and I thought it was harsh on the keeper, who must have been anticipating a ricochet.
Watched the game in a pub full of ABU's tonight. What a great history there is behind Preston NE and their ground looks decent enough. The game was half decent. A lot of pluses, bit more pace, but like many of late, finding it hard to establish a rhythm. Rooney, Young (when he came on), Herrera and Valencia did well, as did Blind and Rojo, and Smalling was ok. Di Maria was slightly good. Had a quick look at this thread when I came home and thought I was back in the pub. While it's fine for the odd opposition supporter in here (what are they doing here on matchday anyway?) to moan, we have supposed United supporters, insisting Rooney is interfering with play for the first goal .... (listen, if he does deflect it into the goal, it's disallowed, so he cleverly and deliberately avoids the ball, get it?), and various moans and complaints for the other goals as well. If half the Caf was planted in the Kop the next time United play in Anfield the Liverpool fans wouldn't bat an eyelid. They won't even notice.
How exactly is discussing an offside rule objectively the same as moaning about the team?
What on earth makes you think you're more of a supporter than somebody because they questioned a decision that favoured United during a game?
Why are you asking me if I "get it", when I clearly said Rooney did well and did not touch the ball?
Are you still in the pub?
I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you are drunk.No interference, not offside. Not even a serious debate over it, actually. No debate either over the dive.
The massive lesson learned from the match is that Roo must be deployed in a forward role, either a 9 or a 10.
Falcao and Mendes can take their huge payday somewhere else.No debate is right. Rooney was offside and dived for the pen. Anyone who denies it is an idiot.
Yeah.. And Rooney should have been red carded for the Fellaini goal..
Why?? No particular reason.. It is Rooney.. So just lets feck him for fun..And Pete is an idiot.
Woe with you..
Van Gaal's fault campaign..
Heed the advice you gave me in your last post.
Rooney made no movement towards the ball, or made any distracting movement in regards to an opponent.
Rooney neither interfered with the movement or vision of the keeper (clear to everyone with a pair of eyes ) or the movement of the ball.
One of those things had to of occurred in that situation for an offside offence to of taken place.
They didn't, so he wasn't.
Also, the decision of the referee is final, so it's a point of historical fact that Rooney did not commit an offside offence.
Where I will agree with you, is that he was in an offside position, but he wasn't not committing any offence.
So.... Sucks to be you I guess.
You know by the rule book it wasn't offside and it was a pen, criticize the rulebook if you want but the ref got them spot on
Wrong, on the alleged offside. But you're right about the dive.
The ball was not played to Rooney nor did he interfere with the keeper. No offside.
I'm no fan of "passive" off-side and never have been. A retired footballer I know once said to me, "If a player in an advanced position is not interfering with play what the hell is he doing on the pitch?"
As for the penalty it was given for an attempted trip by the keeper, not the dive or action by Rooney. Check out the rules here: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...ball-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx
Also watch Dowd when the keeper asks him why just before Wayne takes the pen. He clearly listens to what Stuckmann says and then smiles, holds up two fingers (politely) and
says "both feet" or something.
Nice Pen btw!
Rooney wasn't offside. He didn't touch the ball, he made it clear he wasn't touching the ball and he was miles away from the line of sight. The end.Just reading the managers post match comments, can't believe he was happy with the first half because we limited the amount of chances Preston had.
The mind boggles that this is the outlook of the manager. I remember when we used to pay youth in these games and still expected a good performance.
Rooney wasn't offside and it was a penalty regardless of his dive.Rooney is in the line of the shot on moves out of the way. You can call this an active action an judge offside.
The 2nd in NO foul, in no competition and escpecially not in the FA Cup and with Davies not being sent off. We don't complain that lower teams play rough and they wouldn't want to claim a foul here!
For the pen: It's a dive, no doubt but it makes no difference if he jumps over him or gets chopped down by the keeper. So he didn't dive to get an advantage he not deserves, he would have got that pen anyway if he stayed on his feet only with the difference of a potential injury.
Anyone who denies that is an idiot.Would it be possible to lock the match day thread a few minutes after the final whistle to keep all after match talk in the same thread (post match thread)
@Niall
Rooney isn't in line with the shot. If he was in line, he would have had to jump out of the way or it would have hit him. Rooney may have been in the goalkeepers peripheral sight but that's a gray area. Some you win some you lose.
what game were you watching?
I'm a fan of Falcao and he was the worst player on the pitch yesterday.It doesn't matter whether the forward dives, hurdles or gets taken out. It is the action of the goalkeeper that is being penalised.
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
- kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
- trips or attempts to trip an opponent
- jumps at an opponent
- charges an opponent
- strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
- pushes an opponent
- tackles an opponent
I'm still waiting for the day when the ref awards a penalty on the basis of the defender's / goalkeepers' actions but also books the forward player for diving.
The offside one I thought could have gone either way so I looked for some clarity:
Offside: The following definitions apply.
- Interfering with an opponent' means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball.
- Challenging an opponent for the ball means something more than "Making a gesture of movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent"
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http://livetv.sx/de/showvideo/233270_preston_manchester_utd/
Rooney clearly moves back his arse. He so has an influence on the game = offside.
Doesn't the rule say "Interfering the opponent" rather than "Influencing the game by moving"?
as fas as I know it is enough being in the line of the shot. He could touch the ball and forces the keeper to make a decision which is viewed as "interfering"
FFS
FIFA rule book says
Interfering with play” means
Playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a
team-mate.
Interfering with an opponent” means:
Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to
play the ball. For example, by clearly obstructing the
goalkeeper’s line of vision or movement.
Making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of
the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent
I think Rooney was neither obstructing the view nor distracting the keeper or distracting any opponent...
Unless you think Rooney had an extremely attractive arse movement
distracts an opponent
that's the point with being in the line of the shot.
There have been thoundsands of situation where a free kick is flying in the box. The keeper has to make a decision wheter to stay on the line or go for the ball. Players in offside position are judged offside when near the ball even without touching it. This is similar. A player doesn't have to touch the ball to be offside!Say what you like about the decisions, by the rules those goals should stand. We won and we're through to the next round now, with Villa playing WBA that's another prem team about to go out. Beat Arsenal and there will only be two other top flight teams, one if Pool go out. It's looking good for us now, we played some great stuff last night and we're pissing other fans off again. It's like the good old days again.
I dont see how Rooney was distracting anyone... If you say that the keeper was distracted because Rooney was in the box, then I dont have anything to say.
He was in the line of the shot, not the goalkeepers line of view. They are two entirely different things.
The line of the shot = the peice of net/post that the ball hit didn't have a good view of the shot because the player was in the way.
The goalkeepers line of view = The goalkeeper didn't have a good view of the shot because the player was in the way.
To clear things up further, the net/post doesn't need to have a clear view of the shot, only the goalkeeper and the goalkeepers view was not obstructed last night.
As he didn't touch the ball it doesn't matter if the goalkeeper thought he might go for it. Thats what the rule states.Funny thing,now there is a big fuss about it,wasnt Lampard`s obstruction like way worse and yet cant remember there was much talk about it?Because abusing, accusing Rooney is a kind of obsession
That's utter nonsense!
Read the 2nd part of my post again and you have the answer. It's not about view.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf
page 17 btw brings the evidence:
"must be reasonable close to play" he definately was / is when in line of shot.
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Read the rest of me me and you have the answer. If the ball touched him or rebounded to him he'd habe been offside and the keeper has to assume just that.Why are ABUs so upset about yesterday's match I don't understand? It just doesn't make sense. If it was one of their teams instead of United's, they'd be 100 percent arguing in favour of the goals. The referee was clearly correct in awarding the goals to anyone who understands the rules of the game. It's amazing actually as Dowd allowed Kevin Davies to continue playing when it was still 1 - 1 when he clearly should of been sent off, but nobody talks about the unjustified advantage the referee gave to Preson there. Nope. It's all about United.
again, the rule says close to play and closer to play than having to move to not touch the ball is almost impossible.Can't see how Rooney being in that position would stop Herrera's goal tbh. If it was the post of the goal there it shouldn't stop a goalie trying to save it. To me it looked like the keeper just couldn't see it coming till it was too late and Rooney tried his hardest to not interfere. It's a little tough on the keeper admittedly, but would have been tougher on Herrera to deny it, it was a difficult shot to pull off.
As for the dive it's hard to say. I've never seen Rooney do a blatant dive before and he does seem like a very honest player, so I find it hard to say he deliberately fell over, there's something in the argument that it was a reckless challenge and could have caused injury if Rooney didn't get out of the way, but at the same time he could potentially have done that without falling over, maybe. I think in the end it's still a penalty and wouldn't have made much difference to the game's outcome, over the whole 90 minutes Preston rarely threatened us, especially in the 2nd half. But of course it's United so everyone will be bitching about it for weeks to come.
Also, I'm afraid I still don't see it in Fellaini. The vast majority of the game all I saw was clumsiness and awkwardness from him and nothing else; misplaced passes, clumsy attempts at tackles, slowness in movement on and off the ball... The goal was good without a doubt, but 2 second's of decentness does not make up for the rest of the match being poor.Last edited:Marouane Fellaini post match interview:
Louis Van Gaal post match interview:
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Man of the Match
Runners-up
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25%
Ander Herrera
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12%
Angel Di Maria
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11%
Ashley Young
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10%
Wayne Rooney
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4%
Antonio Valencia
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2%
Daley Blind
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1%
Marcos Rojo
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1%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Luke Shaw
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 474 ratings.
Score Predictions
466,29,68
- Man Utd win
- Preston win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 20% Preston 0:2 Man Utd
- 16% Preston 0:3 Man Utd
- 13% Preston 1:2 Man Utd
- 11% Preston 1:3 Man Utd
- 7% Preston 1:1 Man Utd
- 6% Preston 0:4 Man Utd
- 6% Preston 0:1 Man Utd
- 5% Preston 0:5 Man Utd
- 4% Preston 0:0 Man Utd
- 3% Preston 1:4 Man Utd
- 2% Preston 2:1 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 1:5 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 4:0 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Preston 2:0 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 3:5 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Preston 4:5 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Preston
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 35% 65%
- Shots
- 14 11
- Shots on Target
- 6 5
- Corners
- 2 3
- Fouls
- 17 15
Referee
Phil Dowd
Man Utd Lineup
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