League Cup 3rd Round

Manchester United 0:1 West Ham United

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    RedDevilQuebecois said:
    You have a strange lack of knowledge about football history. Both Mourinho (Chelsea) and Guardiola (City) announced themselves to the English game by winning the League Cup as the first step prior to their spells of domination.
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    Errr... what the feck kind of omen is that? The final is usually end of February so it's just the first thing they can win, isn't it?
     
    Stig said:
    VDB showed why he won't get first team football. Was simply out of his depth.
    Bailly showed absolutely no initiative or idea with the football.
    Sancho still has to show that he is better than Dan James.
    Telles will never challenge for a first team place.
    Martial - absolutely a waste of time and space.

    Mata showed more skill and idea than any of them when he was on the pitch and he is probably old enough to be most of their fathers.
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    Totally agree.
     
    Stig said:
    VDB showed why he won't get first team football. Was simply out of his depth.
    Bailly showed absolutely no initiative or idea with the football.
    Sancho still has to show that he is better than Dan James.
    Telles will never challenge for a first team place.
    Martial - absolutely a waste of time and space.

    Mata showed more skill and idea than any of them when he was on the pitch and he is probably old enough to be most of their fathers.
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    What!? For real??
     
    The most irritating part, is that we actually played quite well and now there will be less matches to look forward to.
     
    Dve said:
    This would be correct if everything on the pitch happened with intention and there were no such thing as luck. Or wrong decisions by the ref. You cannot say the winner = the better. In the olympics, i.e. an Australian ice skater won gold after every skater in front of him ended up falling in a big clash right before the goal line. Since he was last by quite some distance, he avoided it and won gold. You would say he was the better skater?
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    Yes. He or she would be the winner. I feel like this is a wind up. I almost feel like i am stating the bleedin obvious.
     
    I’m struggling to care that much to be honest. It’s a crappy competition whichever way you look at it.
     
    Stig said:
    VDB showed why he won't get first team football. Was simply out of his depth.
    Bailly showed absolutely no initiative or idea with the football.
    Sancho still has to show that he is better than Dan James.
    Telles will never challenge for a first team place.
    Martial - absolutely a waste of time and space.

    Mata showed more skill and idea than any of them when he was on the pitch and he is probably old enough to be most of their fathers.
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    Seriously? I thought Donny was one of the better players, and Bailly was good as well. And Sancho is better than James every day of the week. Telles and Martial, ok I´ll give you those, but Mata´s abilities with the ball is not enough to compensate for his lack of physics, unfortunately.
     
    antohan said:
    I'm not going to diss the LC but it certainly isn't a trophy that makes any difference to keeping the job or not.

    I thought it was good to rotate and have a feel for options he isn't willing to risk in PL/CL games. I'm not particularly keen on running the first XI into the ground.
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    You can rotate and rest but still have enough spark in the team to win a match. I don’t know that we needed to play Matic, Martial and Mata in the same team.
     
    Man there is a lot of whining about going out of the mickey mouse cup....ffs it's not the league or the champions league

    as long as these guys come out healthy and got some competitive minutes under them that is the most important thing as we'll need them mixed in with the starting XI throughout the course of the season. I don't see us playing this type of side again unless it's an fa cup match against a lower level side at OT.

    it showed that martial is done, matic is done, mata is done, dalot still isn't good enough or ready, sancho needs more matches, jesse needs more matches and donny needs more matches.

    Bailly and Victor can rotate when Varane and Maguire need a rest.
     
    antohan said:
    Errr... what the feck kind of omen is that? The final is usually end of February so it's just the first thing they can win, isn't it?
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    And it's not a bad ice breaker to have, don't you think? Even Fergie's eventual spell of dominance between 2006-07 and 2008-09 started with a League Cup in 2006.
     
    Stig said:
    VDB showed why he won't get first team football. Was simply out of his depth.
    Bailly showed absolutely no initiative or idea with the football.
    Sancho still has to show that he is better than Dan James.
    Telles will never challenge for a first team place.
    Martial - absolutely a waste of time and space.

    Mata showed more skill and idea than any of them when he was on the pitch and he is probably old enough to be most of their fathers.
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    Sorry but I disagree.

    You cannot play a player sporadically and judge him on one match every 2-3 weeks. Is Fred any better? Lindelof?

    The way OGS is treating DVD is shocking. He picks players who perform worse for us e.g. Fred, Martial etc.

    You can't dump a player on the bench for weeks then let him start amongst a weakened team and then blame him for the performance
     
    Ranchero said:
    Yes. He or she would be the winner. I feel like this is a wind up. I almost feel like i am stating the bleedin obvious.
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    The winner yes, but the better? You can role a dice, you get 6 and I get 4. So you win. But better at rolling dice? Seriously?
     
    Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
    I’d love to see him as DOF. I think he’s a great team builder, but I’m with you, I just don’t think he’s ever going to take us over the hurdle when it comes to actually winning things. I’ve seen nothing in the 3 years he’s been here that tells me he’s going to challenge for the league right until the end or go deep into the champions league, and with the squad we have those should be minimum requirements.

    If we crash out in the group stage again I think he’s gone. The uproar would be massive. Plus I don’t think Ronaldo & Varane would take kindly to playing Europa league football for the first time in their career.
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    Agree with what you've said completely, he would suit a team building kind of role, that doesn't involve the coaching and tactical decision making. He's purchased some decent players but doesn't have the in game decision making or the ruthlessness of a top manager.

    I know SAF was the greatest, but he had everything.

    Half Ole's problem is he could use hiring a world class assistant, to cover his flaws a bit.

    I also don't see Ronaldo and Verane being appreciative of the Europa! Add at least Bruno to that list. Look at how animated they were behind Ole in the CL game.

    Unfortunately I think he remains untouchable. The signs were there that he'd done all he could here, I'd have held off his renewal until Christmas no one was going to poach him (which perhaps says a lot in itself)

    I can understand not wheeling out Ronaldo for this and Bruno needs a rest, but he should be wanting to win any cup. Maybe if you've won what Pep/ SAF have you can afford to bin off a cup, but winning something tends to be the springboard for that next push.

    We are the only "big" side that has gone out this round. At least if you're dismissing it, give a couple of the kids a go to see if they can be working towards the first team
     
    Ranchero said:
    Yes. He or she would be the winner. I feel like this is a wind up. I almost feel like i am stating the bleedin obvious.
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    A bit of a shite example isn't it? "The skater that didn't fall won, does that make him the better skater?" Erm, yeah?
     
    GBBQ said:
    You can rotate and rest but still have enough spark in the team to win a match. I don’t know that we needed to play Matic, Martial and Mata in the same team.
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    Matic was a decent option to test VdB in midfield. Good call.

    Mata because with no Bruno there's a risk the others just play like headless chicken. Else what else do we have him on the books for?

    Martial cause no Cavani. I'll give you that one though, throw a kid on and he will at least have the hunger.
     
    Bondi77 said:
    How is it a distraction if we field a different team?
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    We will play our first eleven eventually. I think we got a good chance in the league and possibly also in the two other cups. We need all focus there.

    It might be naive, I know that. But I think we are going to be a serious contender this season.
     
    RedDevilQuebecois said:
    And it's not a bad ice breaker to have, don't you think? Even Fergie's eventual spell of dominance between 2006-07 and 2008-09 started with a League Cup in 2006.
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    It's not like Ole and most of this squad haven't had two finals to break the ice with. The Mourinho/Pep examples, even THAT SAF team, that was the first thing they could sink their teeth into.

    Without getting all "Ole out" (wider picture there), I'm pretty clear he isn't a good cup manager. Not a great trait as in the run-in the league format becomes very cup-like (all in win/lose every game).
     
    Acquire Me said:
    We will play our first eleven eventually. I think we got a good chance in the league and possibly also in the two other cups. We need all focus there.

    It might be naive, I know that. But I think we are going to be a serious contender this season.
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    We do not play first 11 in Cup games....simple!
     
    It's a pity for the players who would have been guaranteed game time in this competition because they're also the players that need it.
     
    Bondi77 said:
    We do not play first 11 in Cup games....simple!
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    But we would in the business end, and it would be the right call as well.

    It’s not that I don’t want to win the league cup, I just think we can do better. So when we did not manage to progress, I see the positives in that rather than being to bothered.
     
    Acquire Me said:
    But we would in the business end, and it would be the right call as well.

    It’s not that I don’t want to win the league cup, I just think we can do better. So when we did not manage to progress, I see the positives in that rather than being to bothered.
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    Well that would just be fecking stupid!
    If the second string and the youth players playing together get us through to the latter stages they are getting game time and they deserve to play in the latter stages and that only improves the squad....it is not going to affect the first 11.
     
    Stig said:
    VDB showed why he won't get first team football. Was simply out of his depth.
    Bailly showed absolutely no initiative or idea with the football.
    Sancho still has to show that he is better than Dan James.
    Telles will never challenge for a first team place.
    Martial - absolutely a waste of time and space.

    Mata showed more skill and idea than any of them when he was on the pitch and he is probably old enough to be most of their fathers.
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    Er… no.

    Beek was arguably our best player and Sancho played well I thought and certainly showed he’ll be a lot better than James.
     
    Coops73 said:
    Er… no.

    Beek was arguably our best player and Sancho played well I thought and certainly showed he’ll be a lot better than James.
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    Best in a team that lost. Not knocking him but it sounds a bit much.

    Tidy performances from both and I take that as a bonus from today. Downside is they showed no spunk/drive, will to win, sheer bloody mindedness, however you want to call it. If United's "best players" don't display that we are in a bit of a pickle.

    You could say it's early days / lack of confidence, jury will stay out on that front though.
     
    ffs...he's doing exactly what fergie did with this cup. Played either youngsters or fringe players to get them games and minutes. 27 shots and you guys act like they didn't have a go at West Ham who had only 9 shots
     
    Dve said:
    Not so sure that´s the case anymore. Honestly.
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    Suppose it is also one less cup competition that he will be tempted to play him. Once Cavani is back he won't get a look in. Trouble with Martial it always appears as though he has the weight of the world on his shoulders and would rather be doing something else. If we had gone through there would have been hell to pay if he had started him against Manchester City.
     
    bosskeano said:
    ffs...he's doing exactly what fergie did with this cup. Played either youngsters or fringe players to get them games and minutes. 27 shots and you guys act like they didn't have a go at West Ham who had only 9 shots
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    We had plenty of chances to win it. I honestly think if we had started Greenwood we would have won. If we had got City next there is no chance he would risk fringe players again.
     
    lsd said:
    Seriously how on earth could you try and blame the ref for this? We deserved nothing and we got nothing end of story
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    Not blaming noone, who's blaming the ref, can you read? 26 shots, I've just pointed out like the MEN has that it was a pen like thousands of others. Never mind what you read and watch differs , plenty around good day to you.
     
    The Hilton said:
    The rules don't state anything about a better team. The winner is decided by most goals. The winning team being automatically the better team is far too simplistic for me, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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    No one cares if they were the better team and lost, because winners go home and feck the prom queen.
     
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    bosskeano said:
    ffs...he's doing exactly what fergie did with this cup. Played either youngsters or fringe players to get them games and minutes. 27 shots and you guys act like they didn't have a go at West Ham who had only 9 shots
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    Yeah with the difference that Fergie won us a shitton of trophies whereas Ole's won us feck all as a manager so far and the league and FA cup were probably his biggest chances to win us something for a change.
    Anyway let's hope all this resting of first teamers really shows on Saturday and we start the game all guns blazing for once.
     
    Week after week and game after game we are denied stonewall penalties .
    Our club doesn't even issue a statement deploring these referees and their conniving attitude.
    Meanwhile the fecking Klopp who started them doing this stuff is smiling with his sparling teeth.

    Issue a statement United!
     
    Wing Attack Plan R said:
    No one cares if they were the better team and lost, because winners go home and feck the prom queen.
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    There's a big difference in moving on from a loss though. If we'd been battered by West Ham that would have been awful, as it is they were allowed to kick the hell out of us and yet we still should have won comfortably.
     
    antohan said:
    Matic was a decent option to test VdB in midfield. Good call.

    Mata because with no Bruno there's a risk the others just play like headless chicken. Else what else do we have him on the books for?

    Martial cause no Cavani. I'll give you that one though, throw a kid on and he will at least have the hunger.
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    I should have said all 3 together. if we are going to play Matic and Mata then we need a hungry striker who is going to do the running they cant do.
     
    The most disappointing thing about this game was the performance of Martial, who never at the moment looks like he can be bothered even appearing to try, and the fact that when you combine our second string line up with a culture of not valuing this trophy, you get a game like that and inevitably lose it.

    Just because Ole maybe should prioritise this trophy (having not yet won one) doesn't mean he will - regardless of that we have a team capable of winning major competitions, at least on paper, and the focus will be on that. Privately, the manager, staff and players will be glad we're out of this.
     
    Same old malaise at the start of the game. We know it, other teams know it and now Ole knows it. Some individuals showed why they are note first team regulars. Who the hell will buy them if they play like that?
     
    antohan said:
    A bit of a shite example isn't it? "The skater that didn't fall won, does that make him the better skater?" Erm, yeah?
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    I think you're missing the fine details of that example.

    It was speed skating, shoulder to shoulder racing. All the skaters didn't fall because they're too bad to stay on their feet, but because there was a contact between two of them, enough for one of them to fall and he took out the whole group competing. All but one, who was too slow to keep up the pace. And that's how he made it from last place to first in a single twist of events.
     
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  • 25% Man Utd 2:0 West Ham
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