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    RedCurry said:
    I think ETH has a decision to make about who plays LCB. Martinez has just had one full game after the World Cup and was tormented by Haaland last time, Maguire might be okay with physical aspect but could struggle for pace, Shaw has played well but Haaland is different pedigree. It’s controversial but I would probably go with Maguire.
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    I'd go for Maguire too if we plan to sit deep and counter. Also AWB. Many here don't fancy them but they usually play really well when we sit deep and don't play from the back or with a high line.
     
    GreenFieldsGoldenBarley said:
    KdB is a rival player. His word are as likely made to wind us up. Clearly shouldn't be taken as proof something isn't true.

    KdB says something > it must be true is not logic.

    Now you're just being pissy at everyone with a nuanced opinion.
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    Honestly you're just being silly, if you don't want to believe him that's fine. It's bizarre because you're so naieve to think he'd outright make something up just because he's a rival player :lol:

    As for being pissy, that's rich coming from the guy escalating debates by saying others have a shit post.
     
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    Regulus Arcturus Black said:
    ha ha! They had a similar amount of shots in fairness, which leads to thinking it certainly wasn’t a “battering” by any sense, and then there’s the small issue us of scoring 3 and them 1.
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    Yeah but we had 6 on target against theirs 3.
    Anyway, no matter the stats, their domination was sterile, not dangerous at all…never seen the battering.
     
    The real measure of how far we've come, isn't really the result (obviously a battering won't do us no good) but rather how well we can impose ourselves on the match.

    Under Ole, we won games against the so called big teams by playing with a small team mindset, and everything time we tried to get out of it against them, we got absolutely destroyed.

    I'd rather we lose playing the ETH way than win by reverting back to the Ole way.

    I wasn't too worried about the early season result because:
    A) It was right after an international break. When you're trying to implement a new system, breaks like those are likely to impact progress.
    B) Key members of the team e.g. Martial, Casemiro, Luke Shaw and possibly Varane weren't ready.
    C) The team confidence and self belief wasn't there. We didn't believe we belonged on the same pitch as them and it showed.

    A and B are not a factor this time around. C I expect to also have changed.
     
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    They will have some kind of backlash and come out strongly
    I hope we can defend properly this time around as we always score
    It’s going to be a tough tough game
     
    ManUnitedCanuck said:
    Have a feeling that Pep is considering playing Walker at CB, to counter Rashfords speed on the break. That’s the way we have hit them before and he’ll want to counter that. Thought if it when he said he had a crazy idea.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing two holding midfielders at the weekend, like Casemeiro and McTominay so we don’t get overran in the middle of the pitch and put them under more pressure. Of course that will impact us going forward.

    Just hoping we can compete and not get embarrassed as we did the first time out this season.
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    After seeing Walker as a CB last night I’d say he’s changed his mind
     
    FrankWhite said:
    The real measure of how far we've come, isn't really the result (obviously a battering won't do us no good) but rather how well we can impose ourselves on the match.

    Under Ole, we won games against the so called big teams by playing with a small team mindset, and everything time we tried to get out of it against them, we got absolutely destroyed.

    I'd rather we lose playing the ETH way than win by reverting back to the Ole way.

    I wasn't too worried about the early season result because:
    A) It was right after an international break. When you're trying to implement a new system, breaks like those are likely to impact progress.
    B) Key members of the team e.g. Martial, Casemiro, Luke Shaw and possibly Varane weren't ready.
    C) The team confidence and self belief wasn't there. We didn't believe we belonged on the same pitch as them and it showed.

    A and B are not a factor this time around. C I expect to also have changed.
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    I don’t care if we play oleball ethball even sarriball as long as we beat them Saturday .
     
    FrankWhite said:
    The real measure of how far we've come, isn't really the result (obviously a battering won't do us no good) but rather how well we can impose ourselves on the match.

    Under Ole, we won games against the so called big teams by playing with a small team mindset, and everything time we tried to get out of it against them, we got absolutely destroyed.

    I'd rather we lose playing the ETH way than win by reverting back to the Ole way.

    I wasn't too worried about the early season result because:
    A) It was right after an international break. When you're trying to implement a new system, breaks like those are likely to impact progress.
    B) Key members of the team e.g. Martial, Casemiro, Luke Shaw and possibly Varane weren't ready.
    C) The team confidence and self belief wasn't there. We didn't believe we belonged on the same pitch as them and it showed.

    A and B are not a factor this time around. C I expect to also have changed.
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    Obviously this is the absolute panacea, it would be great if we turned up against teams like City, Liverpool and Chelsea and dominated the ball.

    However, whilst it's nice, it's not really necessary when it comes down to actually winning trophies. Loads of pragmatic teams have been successful and even under SAF United were never dominant against Mourinho's Chelsea, Mancini's City or Liverpool at Anfield.

    In order to win a league title, you have to get really good at blowing away the teams you should beat. It's that relentless points accumulation in those games that gets you there. If you then grind out stodgy, pragmatic results against your closest rivals you'll win loads of trophies - so for me these games are about just getting what you can, however you can get it
     
    FrankWhite said:
    The real measure of how far we've come, isn't really the result (obviously a battering won't do us no good) but rather how well we can impose ourselves on the match.

    Under Ole, we won games against the so called big teams by playing with a small team mindset, and everything time we tried to get out of it against them, we got absolutely destroyed.

    I'd rather we lose playing the ETH way than win by reverting back to the Ole way.

    I wasn't too worried about the early season result because:
    A) It was right after an international break. When you're trying to implement a new system, breaks like those are likely to impact progress.
    B) Key members of the team e.g. Martial, Casemiro, Luke Shaw and possibly Varane weren't ready.
    C) The team confidence and self belief wasn't there. We didn't believe we belonged on the same pitch as them and it showed.

    A and B are not a factor this time around. C I expect to also have changed.
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    The reality is that we have played the ETH way against Chelsea away and vs Liverpool and Arsenal at home and we won all those games.
    Against City away it was another story but now we are better than then, they are worst, so it should be a close game.
     
    Last nights defeat against Southampton hasn’t done us any favours. They’ll be looking for a bounce back performance. I’d be happy with a draw here, then beat palace and the gooners. 7 from 9 points, that would be a good return.
     
    Red00012 said:
    I don’t care if we play oleball ethball even sarriball as long as we beat them Saturday .
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    Tbh same here. It's not like it's our standard approach anyway. Arsenal in their late period under Wenger loved to play 'beautiful football' against everyone and won feck all. It doesn't hurt if we go pragmatic once in a while imo.
     
    Lentwood said:
    Obviously this is the absolute panacea, it would be great if we turned up against teams like City, Liverpool and Chelsea and dominated the ball.

    However, whilst it's nice, it's not really necessary when it comes down to actually winning trophies. Loads of pragmatic teams have been successful and even under SAF United were never dominant against Mourinho's Chelsea, Mancini's City or Liverpool at Anfield.

    In order to win a league title, you have to get really good at blowing away the teams you should beat. It's that relentless points accumulation in those games that gets you there. If you then grind out stodgy, pragmatic results against your closest rivals you'll win loads of trophies - so for me these games are about just getting what you can, however you can get it
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    I'm not saying we should try to get more possession than city at all costs. That would be silly. What I'm talking about is accountability of each player in and out of possession.
    I'm talking about not hoofing the ball out at every opportunity hoping for a counter.
    Not defending so deep you let City's CBs camp on the half way line.
    Developing a big team mindset includes being pragmatic in periods of the match, but that shouldn't be the entire gameplan, especially in front of your home crowd.
     
    fergiewherearethou said:
    The reality is that we have played the ETH way against Chelsea away and vs Liverpool and Arsenal at home and we won all those games.
    Against City away it was another story but now we are better than then, they are worst, so it should be a close game.
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    We didn't beat Chelsea - they had a dodgy penalty awarded and we needed a late Casemiro header to nick a point.
     
    Redanian said:
    We didn't beat Chelsea - they had a dodgy penalty awarded and we needed a late Casemiro header to nick a point.
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    I believe his point is that we imposed ourselves on the match, which was true. especially before the Varane injury.
     
    FrankWhite said:
    I'd rather we lose playing the ETH way than win by reverting back to the Ole way.
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    This is madness you'd accept a derby loss of offered to you?

    The issue is Ole was years into his project and we were still no better at football than when he started.

    ETH can play how he wants as long as he fulfils his medium to long term goals of making us an elite footballing side.

    It would be incredibly dumb if we missed out on top 4 this year because we voluntarily gave up points to seem more principled.
     
    Dominos said:
    This is madness you'd accept a derby loss of offered to you?

    The issue is Ole was years into his project and we were still no better at football than when he started.

    ETH can play how he wants as long as he fulfils his medium to long term goals of making us an elite footballing side.

    It would be incredibly dumb if we missed out on top 4 this year because we voluntarily gave up points to seem more principled.
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    What's more important than a win is progress towards our long term systemic goals. I am not saying the two are mutually exclusive.
    Put it this way, the way we approach and handle the game tomorrow will tell us just how close ETH thinks we are to where we're going.
     
    FrankWhite said:
    What's more important than a win is progress towards our long term systemic goals. I am not saying the two are mutually exclusive.
    Put it this way, the way we approach and handle the game tomorrow will tell us just how close ETH thinks we are to where we're going.
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    A win no matter how it’s fluked shows more progress than any close defeat
     
    FrankWhite said:
    The real measure of how far we've come, isn't really the result (obviously a battering won't do us no good) but rather how well we can impose ourselves on the match.

    Under Ole, we won games against the so called big teams by playing with a small team mindset, and everything time we tried to get out of it against them, we got absolutely destroyed.

    I'd rather we lose playing the ETH way than win by reverting back to the Ole way.

    I wasn't too worried about the early season result because:
    A) It was right after an international break. When you're trying to implement a new system, breaks like those are likely to impact progress.
    B) Key members of the team e.g. Martial, Casemiro, Luke Shaw and possibly Varane weren't ready.
    C) The team confidence and self belief wasn't there. We didn't believe we belonged on the same pitch as them and it showed.

    A and B are not a factor this time around. C I expect to also have changed.
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    We need to be pragmatic here, if we have a chance of being within the reaching distance of the top we should take it, every manager with a winning mentality will do that.

    Fergie did it to good effect in his latter years and just look at Madrid in the cl i won't dare to call them playing with a small team mentality.
     
    Wouldn't be against Fred starting in the place of eriksen on Saturday. Eriksen is great in possession, but I'm not sure how much of it we'll have against city. Fred's chaotic energy next to casemiro might allow us to turn over the ball better.

    It's going to be a tough game and a real acid test.
     
    Red_Heisenberg said:
    Wouldn't be against Fred starting in the place of eriksen on Saturday. Eriksen is great in possession, but I'm not sure how much of it we'll have against city. Fred's chaotic energy next to casemiro might allow us to turn over the ball better.

    It's going to be a tough game and a real acid test.
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    I mentioned this is another thread, I wouldn't be against it either, I fear with Eriksen in there we'd get overrun in midfield. I know we'd lose his creativity but I 'd think we'd be more solid with Fred in there
     
    They've scored a total of 5 in their last 7 away games, 3 of those came at Leeds.

    Good time to play them or are they due a few goals?
     
    Redanian said:
    We didn't beat Chelsea - they had a dodgy penalty awarded and we needed a late Casemiro header to nick a point.
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    You are right, I was referring to the home wins against Arsenal and Liverpool and I composed the phrase in such a way that it implied we won against Chelsea away as well.
    The idea was, nonetheless, that we have dominated them if front of their own fans, which is a big improvement from us in comparison to previous seasons.
     
    Hackman2210 said:
    Last nights defeat against Southampton hasn’t done us any favours. They’ll be looking for a bounce back performance.
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    Citeh's draw against Everton didn't do Chelsea any favors. They were looking for a bounce back performance

    boring and dull 1-0 win where they were lucky not to draw and Chelsea had Sterling & Pulisic both exit within 20 minutes because of injury
     
    RedorDead21 said:
    A win no matter how it’s fluked shows more progress than any close defeat
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    Surely you can't believe this to be true. Look at Arsenal's defeat an OT this season. For me, the manner in which they played that game told me they'll be a problem for anyone this season.
     
    FrankWhite said:
    What's more important than a win is progress towards our long term systemic goals. I am not saying the two are mutually exclusive.
    Put it this way, the way we approach and handle the game tomorrow will tell us just how close ETH thinks we are to where we're going.
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    The biggest progress we could make towards our long term goals is securing top 4. For that we need wins.

    Another season without CL and the money that comes with it would be a disaster.
     
    Garnacho coming on late in this game will help massively. They leave space out wide and garnacho is rapid!
     
    RedorDead21 said:
    A win no matter how it’s fluked shows more progress than any close defeat
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    eh.. no? A fluked win is a one time thing. A fluked win likely wont be repeated while a close defeat with decent/better football shows that you have a chance to win next time.

    Didnt Ole show that fluked wins arent sustainable? A fluked win against PSG basically got him the job and there was no progress after that.
     
    I think Fred needs to start, need his energy. I worry a midfield of Bruno, Eriksen and Casemiro will get over run. Play Bruno in the front 3 or bench Eriksen for this one.
     
    Lentwood said:
    Obviously this is the absolute panacea, it would be great if we turned up against teams like City, Liverpool and Chelsea and dominated the ball.

    However, whilst it's nice, it's not really necessary when it comes down to actually winning trophies. Loads of pragmatic teams have been successful and even under SAF United were never dominant against Mourinho's Chelsea, Mancini's City or Liverpool at Anfield.

    In order to win a league title, you have to get really good at blowing away the teams you should beat. It's that relentless points accumulation in those games that gets you there. If you then grind out stodgy, pragmatic results against your closest rivals you'll win loads of trophies - so for me these games are about just getting what you can, however you can get it
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    I don't think City will ever let a team dominate the ball against them, Pep's ego won't let it happen he'll just add more and more midfielders to the middle of the park to ensure it.

    Nah we just need to execute properly in transition and we'll get plenty of chances. Similar to the Arsenal game. And then everyone will moan saying we played Oleball while all of us here will dance on City's grave
     
    Anyone thinking we are going to outplay City is living on another planet. They will have periods where they have territory.
    For all the shitting on Ole big game tactics. Our last win against City at OT was pretty convincing.
     
    Red_Heisenberg said:
    Wouldn't be against Fred starting in the place of eriksen on Saturday. Eriksen is great in possession, but I'm not sure how much of it we'll have against city. Fred's chaotic energy next to casemiro might allow us to turn over the ball better.

    It's going to be a tough game and a real acid test.
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    Yeah, I mentioned similar in the Charlton threads.

    I was hoping we'd start with Eriksen in that game - where we'd clearly dominate possession and would benefit from his composure, creativity and vision on the ball. And thought Fred would be more suited than Eriksen for the City match, when we'll be have to do a lot more running and ball chasing.
     
    IRN-BRUno said:
    They've scored a total of 5 in their last 7 away games, 3 of those came at Leeds.

    Good time to play them or are they due a few goals?
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    I think Haaland's goals have been papering over their cracks. Favourites for every cup tournament last season and reached no finals. Almost even threw away the league at the last minute. City are miles away from the juggernaut they once were. Cycles innit. Manchester will soon be red again.
     
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