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Manchester United 2:1 Manchester City

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    Massive game. Not for the season in terms of points but as a metric of where we are and how we have progressed. Found Guardiola's comments disrespectful too - crazy tactics? Hopefully whatever he has planned backfires spectacularly and we beat them on Saturday. Whatever we do we need to have a plan for Haaland. Still have PTSD from his hattrick in the last game. I think it will be close but fancy us to get a 2-1 win.
     
    Massive game. Not for the season in terms of points but as a metric of where we are and how we have progressed. Found Guardiola's comments disrespectful too - crazy tactics? Hopefully whatever he has planned backfires spectacularly and we beat them on Saturday. Whatever we do we need to have a plan for Haaland. Still have PTSD from his hattrick in the last game. I think it will be close but fancy us to get a 2-1 win.
    :lol:

    It's win-win for us imo. If we fail, there's more motivation to improve and go on a good run.
     
    To be fair the best performance City had vs Ole was when he didn't bother prepping them
    That’s why he said it though. He wouldn’t have said that if we’d of beat them because he’d of got torn to shreds.
     
    That’s why he said it though. He wouldn’t have said that if we’d of beat them because he’d of got torn to shreds.
    OK. But he didn't get torn to shreds so what's your point.
     
    That looks awful and I think we'd get shagged with Bruno in that role.

    Ten Hag played Rashford as the central striker against Spurs and Arsenal last time didn't he? When we beat both quite easily? I'd go with that. Would love a surprise Sancho return to complete the favoured front 3
    Sancho won't be anywhere near a starting 11 for a good bit yet, whatever is other problems he's nowhere near match fitness
     
    Reckon an upset is on the cards and City will win.
     
    To be fair the best performance City had vs Ole was when he didn't bother prepping them

    Yeah, ironic isn't it that pep's a master tactician and all, and ole obviously isn't, yet pep's biggest success against ole was when he didn't make any particular preparations. Whereas when he did prepare against ole he lost more often than he won.

    Your original post said that Pep didn't bother prepping against Ole. Based on the evidence, seems more like he found that prepping against Ole was a losing strategy. Which incidentally correlates with his regular losses in the later stages of the cl where he screwed around with his team.

    All of which leads me, weirdly, to feel more confident about this game now he has talked openly about considering changing his team around.
     
    OK. But he didn't get torn to shreds so what's your point.

    Point might be that it's not necessarily true. You beat your hated rivals then say 'and we didn't even try hard'. The obvious read into that is they're trying to humiliate us, not that the words are gospel. And you seem to have bought the bait.
     
    Yeah, ironic isn't it that pep's a master tactician and all, and ole obviously isn't, yet pep's biggest success against ole was when he didn't make any particular preparations. Whereas when he did prepare against ole he lost more often than he won.

    Your original post said that Pep didn't bother prepping against Ole. Based on the evidence, seems more like he found that prepping against Ole was a losing strategy. Which incidentally correlates with his regular losses in the later stages of the cl where he screwed around with his team.

    All of which leads me, weirdly, to feel more confident about this game now he has talked openly about considering changing his team around.
    fecking hell talk abut micro analysing a post.
     
    Yeah, ironic isn't it that pep's a master tactician and all, and ole obviously isn't, yet pep's biggest success against ole was when he didn't make any particular preparations. Whereas when he did prepare against ole he lost more often than he won.

    Your original post said that Pep didn't bother prepping against Ole. Based on the evidence, seems more like he found that prepping against Ole was a losing strategy. Which incidentally correlates with his regular losses in the later stages of the cl where he screwed around with his team.

    All of which leads me, weirdly, to feel more confident about this game now he has talked openly about considering changing his team around.
    It's a poor manager that doesn't consider changing his team to play against a specific opponent

    United are one of the best counter-attacking teams out there and he knows it, Walker aside, his defence isn't the quickest, he also knows that

    He's also likely to be thing about a scenario where United's front 3 might be Garnacho, Rashford and Martial, the latter is no slouch in a foot race

    Lastly he will also realize that United have improved dramatically defensively and that they won't find scoring against us as easy as it has been, so a different approach maybe needed
     
    fecking hell talk abut micro analysing a post.

    It was a bit of a shit post though :wenger: and you did keep on doubling down.

    You don't need to keep on trashing solskjaer on one of the things he did pretty well. He's gone now. And it just seems like a weird like of attack, even for when he was still manager - he's got a good record against Pep.
     
    It's a poor manager that doesn't consider changing his team to play against a specific opponent

    United are one of the best counter-attacking teams out there and he knows it, Walker aside, his defence isn't the quickest, he also knows that

    He's also likely to be thing about a scenario where United's front 3 might be Garnacho, Rashford and Martial, the latter is no slouch in a foot race

    Lastly he will also realize that United have improved dramatically defensively and that they won't find scoring against us as easy as it has been, so a different approach maybe needed

    All of that is true. But Pep has pretty often done the wrong thing when preparing specifically for an opponent.

    Him recognising that it would be sensible to change city's defensive shape isn't necessarily the same as him changing it in an effective way.

    I'm obviously mainly just being optimistic based off very little, but why the feck not?
     
    It was a bit of a shit post though :wenger: and you did keep on doubling down.

    You don't need to keep on trashing solskjaer on one of the things he did pretty well. He's gone now. And it just seems like a weird like of attack, even for when he was still manager - he's got a good record against Pep.
    Its not a shit post. Don't mistake my lack of words prior as anything outside of me not wanting to waste characters on your mental gymnastics.

    Pep didn't bother prepping for Ole because it was evident that there was no established sustainable system. His wins were broadly smash and grab for the most part and he didn't actually have Peps number on balance going into the game.

    This idea that Pep is arrogant to do that is utter nonsense, especially considering that "risk" not to prep his side yielded a strong result.
     
    Its not a shit post. Pep didn't bother prepping for Ole because it was evident that there was no established sustainable system. His wins were broadly smash and grab for the most part and he didn't actually have Peps number on balance going into the game.

    This idea that Pep is arrogant to do that is utter nonsense, especially considering that "risk" not to prep his side yielded a strong result.

    Clearly it's a shit post - city didn't just sweep us aside whenever they played us in the solskjaer years. Pep's teams, player for player, were definitely superior to ours during that time. Yet we got as many wins as they did during that time. So Pep's teams underperformed against us. If he genuinely didn't bother preparing against us that was clearly arrogance that city paid for.
     
    Clearly it's a shit post - city didn't just sweep us aside whenever they played us in the solskjaer years. Pep's teams, player for player, were definitely superior to ours during that time. Yet we got as many wins as they did during that time. So Pep's teams underperformed against us. If he genuinely didn't bother preparing against us that was clearly arrogance that city paid for.
    Does anyone seriously think that any manager doesn't prep his team in top flight football these days
     
    Clearly it's a shit post - city didn't just sweep us aside whenever they played us in the solskjaer years. Pep's teams, player for player, were definitely superior to ours during that time. Yet we got as many wins as they did during that time. So Pep's teams underperformed against us. If he genuinely didn't bother preparing against us that was clearly arrogance that city paid for.
    I never said they swept us aside. Read my posts better or don't bother replying.

    Ole's gameplans (of lack of) were not sustainable. Going into the 9th game Ole's record was 50% which was matched by Conte / Enrique and I think one other. He then got his arse handed to him and all of sudden the win % didn't look so good.

    KDB said Pep didn't prep the side at all in the 2-0 victory over united. So they obviously didn't pay for any arrogance there, did they.

    Does anyone seriously think that any manager doesn't prep his team in top flight football these days
    KDB has said that was the prep. If you don't want to believe him then go ahead. It would be consistent with the backward logic you've used thus far.
     
    This going behind 2 nil in half an hour lark isn’t what I thought Pep meant by ridiculous ideas
     
    It’s shocking how one dimensional they’ve become. Even the inverted fullbacks become worthless when it ends up being constantly recycled out wide to KDB to spam crosses into the box
     
    I wonder will we set up similar to Southampton’s 5-3-2 this weekend? It’s certainly food for thought. City have been completely neutralised tonight.

    Maybe City need to line up like that to contend with us:devil:
     
    Use to agree with you first two but Rusty is right, they aren’t unbeatable.

    If the reports are true pep has already gotten into his head and is tinkering about doing something crazy which won’t help him.

    Here’s all the points they dropped, for me we can’t play Bruno. The loss of possession is too high and too dangerous. Surely our team will look at their losses (of course their wins too) but gain something from it.
    Draw with Everton
    1-1

    Loss to Brentford at home
    1-2

    draw with Dortmund away in CL
    0-0

    loss to Liverpool at anfield
    1-0

    draw with cop’hagen away in CL

    0-0

    draw with villa away
    1-1

    draw with Newcastle away
    3-3

    And now we can add loss against Southampton to the list. I'm not saying it'll be anywhere near comfortable, but they can be beaten and we've got the players and the manager to do it. I can't wait for Saturday.
     
    We won't have Weghorst in time, but it would be fun, especially if Pep goes with Akanji and Ake for their pace.

    How do people think they'll line up?

    -----------------------Ederson
    Walker----Akanji---Ake---Cancelo
    --------------------Rodri
    --------De Bruyne---Silva
    Mahrez------Haaland------Foden

    And we'll presumably play two centre midfielders in midfield this time around

    ------------------de Gea
    Dalot----Varane---Martinez---Shaw
    ---------Casemiro-------Fred
    Antony--------Bruno------Rashford
    ------------------Martial
     
    We won't have Weghorst in time, but it would be fun, especially if Pep goes with Akanji and Ake for their pace.

    How do people think they'll line up?

    -----------------------Ederson
    Walker----Akanji---Ake---Cancelo
    --------------------Rodri
    --------De Bruyne---Silva
    Mahrez------Haaland------Foden

    And we'll presumably play two centre midfielders in midfield this time around

    ------------------de Gea
    Dalot----Varane---Martinez---Shaw
    ---------Casemiro-------Fred
    Antony--------Bruno------Rashford
    ------------------Martial

    I don't think ETH will change so I expect our usual midfield. As for City Cancelo, Walker and Foden and been on the side lines since the WC (and tonight won't of helped). I hope they don't play Grealish, his best performances for City have come against us
     
    I don't think ETH will change so I expect our usual midfield. As for City Cancelo, Walker and Foden and been on the side lines since the WC (and tonight won't of helped). I hope they don't play Grealish, his best performances for City have come against us

    I'd be worried if he starts Eriksen next to Casemiro against them. Think we need a lot more mobility. Not sure if I'm more worried about Foden or Grealish, they both worry me.
     
    Hope he starts Fredemiro in midfield on the weekend.

    Don't think Eriksen is a great choice to handle a side like Citeh as we saw in the first match. You've got to cover a lot of ground quickly against that lot and thats not really where his strength is at anymore currently.

    Need an all-action/energy midfield capable of breaking up their play and facilitating counter pressing
     
    They couldn’t score past bottom of the league. We have a chance.
     
    Over last decade or so we only beat City at Old Trafford twice (in Premier League) and lost most of the times, it's surely vs City where are home record is the worst and much better against other rivals. Pep will want immediate reaction from his players after this loss and not often do City lose 2 games in a row.

    I'd love a result but it'll be as difficult as it gets. This game and game against Chelsea are only 2 left that we play at Old Trafford against rivals.
     
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Detailed Results

  • 29% Man Utd 2:1 Man City
  • 14% Man Utd 2:2 Man City
  • 9% Man Utd 1:1 Man City
  • 8% Man Utd 1:2 Man City
  • 7% Man Utd 1:3 Man City
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  • 5% Man Utd 1:0 Man City
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  • 1% Man Utd 0:5 Man City
  • 1% Man Utd 2:4 Man City
  • 1% Man Utd 3:0 Man City
  • 0% Man Utd 4:2 Man City
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  • 0% Man Utd 0:1 Man City
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