Manchester United 2:1 Everton

BigDunc9 · Sep 30, 2014

KiD MoYeS said:
You'll need him for di Maria, Hibbert would get roasted.

Yep Hibberts legs have gone, normally he would be a good option on Di Maria because in his day he was very good defensively even though he was awful on the ball.
Coleman made his debut against Di Maria when we played Benfica in the Europa years ago and Di Maria absolutely tortured him and they won 5-1. Coleman is the type of character to be pumped up for the game though because of it.

KiD MoYeS · Sep 30, 2014

Right, hopefully Jones returns for this... It's anyone's guess who'll replace Herrera in the side.

YzWayne · Sep 30, 2014

KiD MoYeS said:
Right, hopefully Jones returns for this... It's anyone's guess who'll replace Herrera in the side.

Are we looking at Anderson?

KiD MoYeS · Sep 30, 2014

YzWayne said:
Are we looking at Anderson?

Recall Cleverley.

bosnian_red · Sep 30, 2014

Reckon fletcher will start now for Herrera, and mata will almost definitely start instead of Rooney to have more people good on the ball and who can keep possession which we lose as Herrera is out.

BigDunc9 · Sep 30, 2014

It would of been a great time to play yous if wasn't for our own injuries and us playin in Russia on Thursday. Instead it's a great time to play us.

Gerald G · Sep 30, 2014

BigDunc9 said:
It would of been a great time to play yous if wasn't for our own injuries and us playin in Russia on Thursday. Instead it's a great time to play us.

Will Coleman and Distin miss the United game?

Walters_19_MuFc · Sep 30, 2014

vidal7 said:
More

Hope he's back for the Chelsea game.

KiD MoYeS · Sep 30, 2014

So...

de Gea
Rafael McNair Rojo Shaw
Blind
Fletcher di Maria
Mata
van Persie Falcao

With Jones replacing McNair if he is fully fit.

Still a good enough side to put Everton to the sword. Sure if di Maria shows up he can win the game single handily.

BigDunc9 · Sep 30, 2014

Gerald G said:
Will Coleman and Distin miss the United game?

Coleman should be fit, even if Distin is fit he won't start over Stones.

Nighteyes · Sep 30, 2014

KiD MoYeS said:
So...

de Gea
Rafael McNair Rojo Shaw
Blind
Fletcher di Maria
Mata
van Persie Falcao
With Jones replacing McNair if he is fully fit.

Still a good enough side to put Everton to the sword. Sure if di Maria shows up he can win the game single handily.

If we replace Rooney and Herrera with Mata and Fletcher we are losing a huge amount of dynamism. I'd like to see Januzaj in for this one.

Gerald G · Sep 30, 2014

BigDunc9 said:
Coleman should be fit, even if Distin is fit he won't start over Stones.

So Mirallas and Barkley the only injuries?

BigDunc9 · Sep 30, 2014

Gerald G said:
So Mirallas and Barkley the only injuries?

And Pienaar.

vidal7 · Sep 30, 2014

KiD MoYeS said:
So...

de Gea
Rafael McNair Rojo Shaw
Blind
Fletcher di Maria
Mata
van Persie Falcao
With Jones replacing McNair if he is fully fit.

Still a good enough side to put Everton to the sword. Sure if di Maria shows up he can win the game single handily.

Wont be surprised to see Andreas pereira play this one. LVG wont be afraid to play him, i think he will do a good job. Fletcher is finished at this level. I hope he just gives way to andreas now. This game will be too quick for carrick, i was wishing he would be back .

BigDunc9 said:
Coleman should be fit, even if Distin is fit he won't start over Stones.

Wanted di maria vs hibbert, coleman will be difficult to handle going forward.

Godfather · Sep 30, 2014

What about Fellaini?

KiD MoYeS · Sep 30, 2014

Godfather said:
What about Fekllaini?

Pretty sure he's still injured, thanks be to God.

shaggy · Sep 30, 2014

Praying we don't play a 4-4-2 with a midfield of Di Maria, Fletcher, Blind and Valencia...

Glanville95 · Sep 30, 2014

akash02 said:
If we replace Rooney and Herrera with Mata and Fletcher we are losing a huge amount of dynamism. I'd like to see Januzaj in for this one.

Agreed. With Everton's threat in wide areas too, I think we should drop the diamond formation for a game, especially with Herrera out.

Something like;

de Gea
Rafael - Jones/Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Januzaj - Fletcher - Blind - di Maria
Mata
Falcao

Subs: Lindegaard, Jones/Smalling, Carrick, Fellaini, Valencia, Pereira, van Persie

Walters_19_MuFc · Sep 30, 2014

My team would be:

De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
Blind
Fellaini - Di Maria
Mata
Van Persie - Falcao

Lindegaard - McNair - Valencia - Fletcher - Pereira - Januzaj - Wilson

Bwuk · Sep 30, 2014

Dave

Rafael
McNair
Rojo
Shaw

Blind
Di Maria
Januzaj
Mata

RvP
Falcao

Gerald G · Sep 30, 2014

De Gea
Rafael--Jones--Rojo--Shaw
Blind
Fletcher--Di Maria
Mata
van Persie--Falcao

subs: Lindegaard, Blackett, McNair, Valencia, Fellaini, Pereira, Januzaj

If Jones isn't fit then replace him with McNair. If McNair starts along with the other players missing then I wouldn't be surprised to see us lose this one.

Zoo · Sep 30, 2014

Totally forgot about Fellaini, if he's fit then he should be the direct replacement for Herrera and I think he'd do okay in the role. The diamond has to stay imo, would still be confident of beating Everton.

legball · Sep 30, 2014

With Rooney and Herrera out, it might just be the right time to go 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2 (especially if Jones is fit).

De Gea
McNair Jones Rojo
Rafael Fletcher Blind Shaw
Di Maria
RVP Falcao

Rednotdead · Sep 30, 2014

Everton are playing in Russia in the EL on Thursday, so we may see a little tiredness on Sunday.

Adcuth · Sep 30, 2014

Best replacement for Herrera for me would be Valencia. He teams well with Rafa, good engine to track back and provide cover, quick unlike Fletch or Carrick. Same defence as last week would be best, get some consistency. Need to mark Baines well on that wing too, he can be a nuisance.

revel911 · Sep 30, 2014

imperi said:
I would not be surpised if Carrick will play as a centre back sunday.

Why? Jones is back and McNair did a fine job.

akash02 said:
If we replace Rooney and Herrera with Mata and Fletcher we are losing a huge amount of dynamism. I'd like to see Januzaj in for this one.

Problem is Rooney and Herrera both defend while Mata and Janazaj do not. Which is why you need one of Fletcher or Carrick with one of Mata or Janujaz.

ChaddyP · Sep 30, 2014

we should switch to 433/4231 and play one of falcao/ rvp

di maria and adnan on the wings... mata flech and blind in midfield. Ander out is gonna kill our diamond formation... especially with the way evertons fullbacks play

Invictus · Sep 30, 2014

Blind and Fletcher absolutely shouldn't play in the same midfield. The one with Herrera and Di Maria flanking Daley works because as a combination they can help make up for Daley's relatively lower mobility/ dynamism levels. With Ander injured, there's a massive void of energy, creative ability and tenacity in the center of the park. Dunno if Carrick is fit but ideally we should take a measured approach with his fitness instead of throwing him straight in. A few more knocks and at his age, that could be curtains for his United career. Aside from Ander, we're also probably going to replace Rooney with Mata, so it's a double whammy in terms of work-rate vs an extremely energetic side.

We have a very similar player to Ander in the reserves. Might be a couple notches below in terms of awareness and the defter side of things, but Pereira can provide a lot of youthful energy, pressing ability and attacking impetus from the deep. Loads of people have commented on his suitability for a central midfield role and so far this season, it looks justified. Van Gaal has shown a reluctance for fitting square pegs into round holes and we have an almost like for like replacement in Andreas. Doesn't matter a lot if he's position ally wayward at times. Blind is an excellent organizer, you can see him barking instructions in game. He could lend a helping hand and keep Pereira in the right places.

If ever there was a time to give him a chance, it's now instead of chickening out in favor of experience. Also like mentioned before, Everton will be relatively tired. Let's take advantage of that and hound the ball instead of ceding control in midfield by being too cautious.

De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
Blind
Pereira - Di Maria
Mata
Van Persie - Falcao

imperi · Sep 30, 2014

Steven Seagull said:
How is he eligible for England?

revel911 said:
Why? Jones is back and McNair did a fine job.

Problem is Rooney and Herrera both defend while Mata and Janazaj do not. Which is why you need one of Fletcher or Carrick with one of Mata or Janujaz.

Well I did not know at the time that Herrera was out, so at this point in time I do not believe Carrick will play as a centre back. But SAF in 2009 and in 2012 already played with the idea of playing Carrick as a cb when in dire need (injuries). I do recall Carrick played a few games as a cb but I do not remember this very accurately. McNair did a fine job, but all young defenders make mistakes, they are just lacking the consistency and concentration. This will come with age, but these are one of the biggest reasons that there are practically zero young (20 and younger) good cbs.

Playing McNair now, in a total rebuild is something different then implementing talents in a well oiled machine. If McNair makes a mistake, a crucial one, versus Everton he'll get crucified by the press (along with LvG). I believe Carrick can offer the consistency, experience and build up play as a centre back, and that we really need atm. We need that experience to close out games, which we find very difficult atm especially with all the experienced players we have being injured or suspended.

marlowe78 · Sep 30, 2014

I think we're going to revert to 3 in the back. We would have Shaw and Rafael on the wings so it might not be as bad as previous. Still wouldn't be thrilled about it, though.

khoazany · Sep 30, 2014

imperi said:
Well I did not know at the time that Herrera was out, so at this point in time I do not believe Carrick will play as a centre back. But SAF in 2009 and in 2012 already played with the idea of playing Carrick as a cb when in dire need (injuries). I do recall Carrick played a few games as a cb but I do not remember this very accurately. McNair did a fine job, but all young defenders make mistakes, they are just lacking the consistency and concentration. This will come with age, but these are one of the biggest reasons that there are practically zero young (20 and younger) good cbs.

Playing McNair now, in a total rebuild is something different then implementing talents in a well oiled machine. If McNair makes a mistake, a crucial one, versus Everton he'll get crucified by the press (along with LvG). I believe Carrick can offer the consistency, experience and build up play as a centre back, and that we really need atm. We need that experience to close out games, which we find very difficult atm especially with all the experienced players we have being injured or suspended.

There's a reason why LVG want to play a CB at CB.Experience can't do much if you're not playing in your true position.Carrick has been terrible most of the time he played CB although it's not his fault.

charlenefan · Sep 30, 2014

Team should be...

--------------De Gea--------------
Rafael---McNair---Rojo---Shaw
---------------Blind---------------
-----Januzaj----------Di Maria-----
---------------Mata---------------
-----------RVP-----Falcao-----------

BenRobbins · Sep 30, 2014

McCarthy, Barry and Besic will run rings around are midfield if we go with ADM, Blind and Fletcher. I hope Coleman isn't fit aswell as i feel their fullbacks will cause us all sorts of problems with our narrow formation. I am just hoping and praying Falcao and RVP will be unbearable for the inexperienced Stones and out form Jagielka. Need them to score 2 or 3 to win this one.

The Law of Denis · Sep 30, 2014

Is Blackett back yet ? We could do this..

Rafael----Rojo----Blackett---Shaw
-------------Jones
--------Blind--------Di Maria

Sied · Sep 30, 2014

Adcuth said:
Best replacement for Herrera for me would be Valencia. He teams well with Rafa, good engine to track back and provide cover, quick unlike Fletch or Carrick. Same defence as last week would be best, get some consistency. Need to mark Baines well on that wing too, he can be a nuisance.

Valencia was brought on for Herrera following his injury right? It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the line-up we see.

imperi · Sep 30, 2014

khoazany said:
There's a reason why LVG want to play a CB at CB.Experience can't do much if you're not playing in your true position.Carrick has been terrible most of the time he played CB although it's not his fault.

I agree, it is best not to play players out of position. Though sometimes certain situations asks for it. You have to be pragmatic sometimes. Carrick as a cb is far from an ideal situation, though maybe the best for the moment.

Sandikan · Sep 30, 2014

Maybe he'll try something a little new, and go with Fletcher and Blind as deep lying centre mids, and play Januzaj and Di Maria as wingers.
Would cheese Mata off a treat though!

Ole's_toe_poke · Sep 30, 2014

I can see us losing this.

C'est Moi Cantona · Sep 30, 2014

Like to see:

---------------DDG--------------
Rafael---Jones---Rojo---Shaw
--------Fletcher-----Blind-------
Janujaz-------Mata-----Di Maria
--------------Falcao-------------

Fear it could be something like:

Rafael----McNair----Rojo----Shaw
----------------Blind---------------
---Valencia-------------Di Maria---
---------------Janujaz---------------
----------RVP--------Falcao---------

Red For Ever · Sep 30, 2014

One thing that irritates me about this fixture :

In the 12 years Moyes was at Everton, Everton never won at Old Trafford
( at least in the League anyway, not sure about cups )

In the 10 months Moyes was at United, Everton won at Old Trafford

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