Champions League Group F

Manchester United 3:2 Atalanta

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    Scholes and Rio telling us they should sack Ole without saying they should sack him.
     
    Whole system is now to accommodate players rather to play a certain style. 4-2-4 system is like throwing kitchen sink from the start. Bruno needs to play as a midfielder and told to do job as a midfielder since we have Ronaldo do his job now.
    Seems more like Ole is just sticking to tactics which has worked before.
     
    Nick7 said:
    That’s the problem. Bruno forces us to play a 2 man midfield.
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    Yeah but 2 sitters. City basically play with a 2 man midfield and you don’t see them shitting themselves under pressure or having 1 pass cut them open.
    2 in midfield or 3 doesn’t matter, we still need 2 midfielders regardless IMO
     
    Gandalf Greyhame said:
    It is baffling that our all possible combinations of a midfield two using Pogba/Matic/Fred/McT have failed this season, but Ole still won't give a technically solid player like Donny a run of games. Especially after he's done well the one time we've tried him there. Just shows a lack of ability.
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    Yep! Like I've said recently, Donny gets no game time bar the odd 10 minutes so can't get a consistent run going

    At least TRY using him. It may not work but unless he TRIES he will never know he's infuriating
     
    Ayoba said:
    Ole just confirmed on BT that it's a 4-2-4 system.

    FFS it's a case of nothing learnt isn't it...why can't he play Bruno deeper in midfield??
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    This makes no sense. The point of that workman like midfield is so we can unlock Bruno.

    And where's this 4-2-4 stuff coming from? It's either a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1.
     
    lilcurt said:
    He hasn't got a clue mate. His head has gone now and he is in full "save job mode".

    Nothing about this lineup is progressive, about playing the United way (or DNA as he loves to bang on about). Zero progress.
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    That sums it up.
     
    Teja said:
    This makes no sense. The point of that workman like midfield is so we can unlock Bruno.

    And where's this 4-2-4 stuff coming from? It's either a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1.
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    4-2-4 is what Ole just called it on BT Sport for the pre-match interview.
     
    Andycoleno9 said:
    We gave him top talented team and he even at home games against only solid team brings McFred in. No words.
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    He didn't play McFred at the weekend and we got murdered. Short memory?

    Paul Pogba's performance and lack of effort at the weekend was disgusting. McFred might not have his ability but at least they bleeding try.
     
    Teja said:
    This makes no sense. The point of that workman like midfield is so we can unlock Bruno.

    And where's this 4-2-4 stuff coming from? It's either a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1.
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    From Ole, he said it in the interview.
     
    pratyush_utd said:
    Whole system is now to accommodate players rather to play a certain style. 4-2-4 system is like throwing kitchen sink from the start. Bruno needs to play as a midfielder and told to do job as a midfielder since we have Ronaldo do his job now.
    Seems more like Ole is just sticking to tactics which has worked before.
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    Think he was being cheeky when he said it. Because the presenter was asking him about starting McFred for the defensive solidity.
     
    BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
    What would your XI and formation be?
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    It would depend on the game I suppose but if we're solely talking about tonight I'd go with 3 in midfield rather than a 2. GK & back 4 I'd leave the same. Midfield 3 would probably be Matic, VdB & Pogba or Fred, VdB & Pogba. Wouldn't play Bruno on this occassion unless I was certain I could get him to play midfield rather than as a striker. Sancho on the right & Greenwood or Rashford on the left, probably Greenwood because of form & he's so two-footed that he could cut inside & shoot or just as comfortabley go down the outside & create for Ronaldo who would be my striker. Sancho on the right obviously so he can take his man on, stretch the pitch & create too. I think it's criminal that we don't cross the ball into Ronaldo despite his dominance in the air. Same goes for if we play Cavani, a joke to not be getting crosses in.
     
    We'll win this game, I'd be shocked if Ole doesn't get a false bounce here. 3-1
     
    cyberman said:
    Yeah but 2 sitters. City basically play with a 2 man midfield and you don’t see them shitting themselves under pressure or having 1 pass cut them open.
    2 in midfield or 3 doesn’t matter, we still need 2 midfielders regardless IMO
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    You're basically looking at it on paper as 2 but the whole midfield press and defend together and both fullbacks come inside to create an overload. Unlike Ole who has two sitting and are the only ones carrying the load leading to being dominated half the time. Bruno and the wingers need to press in unsion alongside McFred otherwise we can sign Kroos and Casimero and still struggle.
     
    I still having good hope that it's going to be like that Leipzig game.
     
    Withnail said:
    He's added nothing lately. Was this a surprise?

    Delighted to see Ronaldo starting. Hope these means we see Cavani starting against the scousers.
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:. You mean, Ronaldo on bench vs Pool? Joking or...?
    To be clear, i agree that Cavani is maybe better option but come on, Ronaldo will never be benched (again)
     
    pratyush_utd said:
    Whole system is now to accommodate players rather to play a certain style. 4-2-4 system is like throwing kitchen sink from the start. Bruno needs to play as a midfielder and told to do job as a midfielder since we have Ronaldo do his job now.
    Seems more like Ole is just sticking to tactics which has worked before.
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    I'd be tempted to play Bruno as a false nine with Ronaldo and Greenwood in front as wide forwards, so you can have three defensively responsible midfielders (e.g. Matic-Fred-VBD strikes me as balanced).

    Maybe this isn't the right answer ultimately, but I don't at all look at this line up tonight and think "ok, ole has clearly thought this through and is looking like he has some new ideas." it's just more of the same basic formula that's clearly not working. even if we win 3-0 tonight, that won't change my opinion on the long term.
     
    mu4c_20le said:
    Think he was being cheeky when he said it. Because the presenter was asking him about starting McFred for the defensive solidity.
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    With Ole I am not sure anymore. Won’t be surprised if Bruno is playing like front 4.
     
    Strangely confident about this one actually.

    McFred might be shit, but they are our only functioning midfield duo and i just have a feeling that Rashford and Greenwood are going to cause a lot of problems down the flanks

    3-0 United
     
    Ayoba said:
    From Ole, he said it in the interview.
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    Withnail said:
    Is there a huge difference between 4231 and 424 when Bruno just does what he wants anyway?
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    Thanks .. yeah the numbers are pretty meaningless even with other players let alone Bruno with a free role.

    It's a bit weird to hear 4-2-4 .. maybe that's his way of making it seem like this is an attacking line up and don't hate on McFred?
     
    Alvaro Maestre said:
    But still lazy .
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    How many goals conceded has he been responsible for? Because from what I see our workhorses like Maguire and Fred have been more culpable for our defensive mishaps than the likes of Pogba. Just because he doesn't run around like Dan James doesn't hide the fact he's still our most creative outlet.
     
    talking robot said:
    Maybe this isn't the right answer ultimately, but I don't at all look at this line up tonight and think "ok, ole has clearly thought this through and is looking like he has some new ideas." it's just more of the same basic formula that's clearly not working. even if we win 3-0 tonight, that won't change my opinion on the long term.
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    We beat some big teams with McFred before. It's only not working for the last couple of games because we are in a bad run of form. Kinda funn how you finish your post with long term as well.
     
    Andycoleno9 said:
    It is about maager's instructions ffs.
    Bruno played as no8 in his career, Pogba plays defence in France and did it in Juve, Rashford tracked back and played simole as classic winger under Jose, Sancho tracked back in Dortmund, etc...
    Players play how manager says
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    Yea, I agree with you that players can be coached but we know Ole does sweet F all in terms of coaching so instead the players seem to play on 'default' if that makes sense. At that point I think the line-up is poor because when they're left to their own devices they won't show balance.
     
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Score Predictions

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  • Man Utd win
  • Atalanta win
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Detailed Results

  • 20% Man Utd 2:1 Atalanta
  • 11% Man Utd 1:1 Atalanta
  • 10% Man Utd 1:2 Atalanta
  • 9% Man Utd 2:2 Atalanta
  • 8% Man Utd 2:0 Atalanta
  • 8% Man Utd 3:1 Atalanta
  • 6% Man Utd 1:0 Atalanta
  • 5% Man Utd 0:2 Atalanta
  • 4% Man Utd 3:0 Atalanta
  • 4% Man Utd 1:3 Atalanta
  • 4% Man Utd 3:2 Atalanta
  • 3% Man Utd 0:1 Atalanta
  • 2% Man Utd 4:1 Atalanta
  • 2% Man Utd 4:0 Atalanta
  • 1% Man Utd 5:0 Atalanta
  • 1% Man Utd 0:3 Atalanta
  • 1% Man Utd 2:3 Atalanta
  • 1% Man Utd 0:0 Atalanta
  • 1% Man Utd 0:5 Atalanta
  • 0% Man Utd 5:1 Atalanta
  • 0% Man Utd 3:3 Atalanta
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  1. Man Utd
  2. Atalanta
Possession
56% 44%
Shots
22 13
Shots on Target
9 6
Corners
8 5
Fouls
10 12

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