Champions League Group F

Manchester United 3:2 Atalanta

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    I keep reading best midfield pairing. Have we tried all our midfielders with different partners? How many has VDB paired with for example? Until everyone has played with each other, how do we know what our best pairing is?
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    Maybe means for the Liverpool games

    Bet you we go 5 at the back for that
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    Who knows what he means anymore. Really can’t stand him as a manager which is sad as he was such a hero as a player. He talks utter crap every time he opens his mouth with things like United d.n.a and United way etc. Will probably win tonight but Liverpool will batter us then hopefully ole’s reign is over.
     
    Iowred said:
    Am I missing something? I thought OGS said something had to change. I see mcfred with Fernandes in front of them. Only difference I can see is rashford starting.
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    Yes, accommodating Pogba in a two man midfield has been dropped again.
     
    Please win. I can take bombing in the league for the next few months but at least get us knockout CL football too look forward to.
     
    Gandalf said:
    To clarify, I am not a fan of McFred although I understand why they are playing tonight and I am more than ready for a new Manager but the myth of Donny's amazing game against West Ham grows larger by the week. He failed to track his runner for the goal and just stopped on the edge of the box so he is at least partially if not wholly to blame and apart from that he was neat, tidy and anonymous against West Ham's reserves and yet people go on about it like he schooled prime Zidane in the midfield.
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    And you're acting like we have a prime Xavi-Scholes in midfield duo. Donny has deserved a run of games to prove if he can do better. And if he can't, he can feck off, I don't care. But at this point - what do we have to lose? We can either continue with the same losing strategy over and over. Proven time and time again it doesn't work or we can try something new and fail, but at least we've tried. Right now i'd prefer the latter, even if we lose, whatever, I'd like to see something progressive from this manager. Something that will make me believe that he is not here just because he has "United DNA" whatever the feck that means.
     
    villain said:
    The elephant in the room is Bruno not being disciplined and coached properly, but because he runs a lot people confuse his effort for effectiveness.
    Not that he's not a ridiculously consistent G+A machine, but he's the only constant that continues to remain in our "midfield"
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    I’m starting to come around to this way of thinking.
     
    Back to his usual counter attack set up with McFred and Rashford back in the team.

    Why did we spend £120m on Sancho and Donny if the manager doesn't know how to use them?
     
    What are BT on about with Ole’s quotes being taken out of context?
     
    I wonder what Gary “never criticise the manager” Neville will think of that team after stating that we can’t go back to McFred.
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    I made a list of our season so far based on Midfield pair. There is limited data buts it's too early to say McFred is the best pair.

    Also even if they are the best the pairing is very poor all the same. I suspect our issues more stem from coaching In all cases

    McFred W2 D1 L1 - 50% Win rate
    Win vs Leeds
    Win vs West Ham
    Losss Vs Villa
    Draw Vs Everton

    Fred Pogba W1 D0 L0 - 100% Win rate
    Win Vs Wolves

    Matic Pogba W1 D0 L0 - 50% Win rate
    Win Vs Wolves
    Loss Leicester

    Pogba Sccott W1 D0 L0 - 100% Win Rate
    Win Vs Villarreal

    Matic Fred W0 D1 L0 - 0% Win Rate
    Draw vs Southampton

    Fred Donny W0 D0 L1 - 0% Win Rate
    Loss vs Young Boys

    Matic Donny W0 D0 L1 - 0% Win Rate
    Loss Vs West Ham
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    Sticks out how Donny is getting the raw end of the stick there. Young Boys - had to come off after the red, and vs West Ham had a lot of second team players around him.
     
    No proof to suggest mcfred solidify the midfield. Why can't he fully make fred deep dmc and pair bruno and vdb in midfield. Let sancho and rashford take the wings? Arghh.. This guy does my head in
     
    Gandalf Greyhame said:
    Donny in that midfield did something McFred never do - move into small pockets of space to receive the ball, and quiety pass it on with an angle that beats the press. They don't need to be Hollywood passes or going forward everytime - it just needs to keep moving. Dictating the tempo, keeping it ticking, connecting midfield and attack.
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    I agree he was decent and I want to see more of him but his fanboys go on about it like he put on an exhibition. He lost 4 out of 5 duels contested, played only 1 long pass the entire game and was defensively poor on their goal. There were things to like and to build on but it was hardly a flawless performance. I personally would pair him with Fred but sadly McTominay is from the acadamy and so he has an extra dose of the crucial United DNA which our opponents fear so much.
     
    villain said:
    The elephant in the room is Bruno not being disciplined and coached properly, but because he runs a lot people confuse his effort for effectiveness.
    Not that he's not a ridiculously consistent G+A machine, but he's the only constant that continues to remain in our "midfield"
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    I quietly hold the opinion that Bruno can be a problem in that midfield. Obvious quality with him but I don’t think he does much for the balance of the team.
     
    Deery said:
    I think it’s a decent team but my only fear is Maguire no way he can overcome Saturday’s performance in 4 days.
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    Ole should sub him at halftime if he's like the Leicester match. Could be a hugely sorry night if we don't react.
     
    Rashy's fit so he plays, always. Ronaldo undroppable, Bruno undroppable. Greenwood, to be fair, shouldn't be dropped.

    Tough luck Sancho, time to join DVB.
     
    Shaw and Rashford are going to be very important. Shaw because fullbacks are the only players that aren't man marked by the Atalanta press and Rashford because he always gives us the option of going over the top. I don't trust AWB to do anything with the space he's going to have.

    I see they are playing Muriel so they don't expect to have complete control of the game otherwise they'd play Zapata.
     
    Garethw said:
    I wonder what Gary “never criticise the manager” Neville will think of that team after stating that we can’t go back to McFred.
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    Another Big Bang would happen before Gary criticizes Ole. Guy has sacked more managers in 5 years than United have had in their history, but we need to give Ole more time because....? He knows the United way, I guess.
     
    Nevilles.Wear.Prada said:
    No proof to suggest mcfred solidify the midfield. Why can't he fully make fred deep dmc and pair bruno and vdb in midfield. Let sancho and rashford take the wings? Arghh.. This guy does my head in
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    He hasn't got a clue mate. His head has gone now and he is in full "save job mode".

    Nothing about this lineup is progressive, about playing the United way (or DNA as he loves to bang on about). Zero progress.
     
    laughtersassassin said:
    Is McFred solid at all? We have 1 Clean Sheet in 19. McFred being are most used combo.

    I don't think we have any solid Midfield.
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    That's down to poor tactics.
    It doesn't help that McFred aren't great, but they definitely aren't that bad.
    The tactics we use will make most midfielders look poor.
     
    Utd odds on favourites to win tonight ….so let’s win.
     
    Lay said:
    I quietly hold the opinion that Bruno can be a problem in that midfield. Obvious quality with him but I don’t think he does much for the balance of the team.
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    Bruno doesn’t play in Midfield. It’s literally the two behind him that’s the problem but we somehow throw he and Pogba into that discussion.
     
    cyberman said:
    Bruno doesn’t play in Midfield. It’s literally the two behind him that’s the problem but we somehow throw he and Pogba into that discussion.
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    That’s the problem. Bruno forces us to play a 2 man midfield.
     
    No surprises. Exactly the line-up you‘d expect Ole to field as fears for his job.
    Back 7, letting them have the ball and Bruno hitting long balls to our front three hoping they will produce something.
    Not very exciting but understandable.
     
    Why can’t we try 433? This formation only suits Bruno. With 433, the wide players are closer to Ronaldo which is needed deperatly.
     
    Gandalf said:
    I agree he was decent and I want to see more of him but his fanboys go on about it like he put on an exhibition. He lost 4 out of 5 duels contested, played only 1 long pass the entire game and was defensively poor on their goal. There were things to like and to build on but it was hardly a flawless performance. I personally would pair him with Fred but sadly McTominay is from the acadamy and so he has an extra dose of the crucial United DNA which our opponents fear so much.
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    Not everyone who wants him given a chance is a fanboy. And no one is claiming he doesn't have weaknesses - he's not a ball winner or great defensively. But he does have strengths, based on his Ajax days. He can rotate possession, find space, is better at handling press, good at linkup play and makes runs into the box. We have not even given him a chance to show what he can do, after spending a lot of money on him.
     
    Sviken said:
    And you're acting like we have a prime Xavi-Scholes in midfield duo. Donny has deserved a run of games to prove if he can do better. And if he can't, he can feck off, I don't care. But at this point - what do we have to lose? We can either continue with the same losing strategy over and over. Proven time and time again it doesn't work or we can try something new and fail, but at least we've tried. Right now i'd prefer the latter, even if we lose, whatever, I'd like to see something progressive from this manager. Something that will make me believe that he is not here just because he has "United DNA" whatever the feck that means.
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    I said nothing of the sort and if you check elsewhere I have said we should give Fred and Donny a run as the midfield pair playing B2B. Donny had struggles in the West Ham game, he looked better than before and there was enough to suggest he should get more chances but in a must win game it is hard to fault Ole for going with the pairing which has brought him most success. We can hope that if we string a couple of results together to ease the pressure Ole will be willing to experiment but with his back to the wall it was inevitable he would revert to what has been his most successful line up.
     
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Detailed Results

  • 20% Man Utd 2:1 Atalanta
  • 11% Man Utd 1:1 Atalanta
  • 10% Man Utd 1:2 Atalanta
  • 9% Man Utd 2:2 Atalanta
  • 8% Man Utd 2:0 Atalanta
  • 8% Man Utd 3:1 Atalanta
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  • 5% Man Utd 0:2 Atalanta
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  • 4% Man Utd 1:3 Atalanta
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  • 3% Man Utd 0:1 Atalanta
  • 2% Man Utd 4:1 Atalanta
  • 2% Man Utd 4:0 Atalanta
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56% 44%
Shots
22 13
Shots on Target
9 6
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8 5
Fouls
10 12

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