Manchester United 0:1 Arsenal

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 1, 2020

PoTMS said:
And likewise he could learn how to play football.

Would have loved the players on the pitch to do that for us today.

yan man utd · Nov 1, 2020

It’s hard to fathom. We have had some good performances v PSG and Leipzig.... but the league is the benchmark and the test of a manager. Considering the pool of players at his disposal the initial selection is for me consistently wrong. First, way too conservative, but our lack of a dynamic DM who can not only properly protect the back 4 and which would allow us to play van de beek or Pogba centrally is a gaping error. Neither mctominay or Fred are that player. They simply lack the expertise to collect from the back four and distribute astutely. This encourages teams to press us and hems us back. Subsequently players like Rashford and greenwood find themselves having to help win the ball inside our own defensive third. This is criminal and so effing obvious.

solskaer sits there without a squeak. Arteta is on it... directing orders and managing the game.

Despite the lack of a proper DM - and why did we not get Partey or Neves???????

mistake after mistake.100 games in, millions spent, brilliant individual players, and we are going backwards...I’m really starting to think solskaer thinks he has 5 years.
Success is an urgent requirement. Evolution, possession and astute in game management as well as an aggressive approach and way more intelligent pressing are absolutely necessary - yesterday/ today... never mind tomrw

it’s scary

Le Red · Nov 1, 2020

VidaRed said:
how low have arsenal fallen that they are celebrating like they won a trophy

Might as well be us a few years down the road.
Not so long ago they were happy to be a top 4 team with no pretension to win the PL whatsoever. Does it ring a bell?
I bet they also had "top reds" dismissing any complaints as coming from "toxic and spoiled fans". Well, look at them now, just a midtable team.

yan man utd · Nov 1, 2020

Le Red said:
Might as well be us a few years down the road.
Not so long ago they were happy to be a top 4 team with no pretension to win the PL whatsoever. Does it ring a bell?
I bet they also had "top reds" dismissing any complaints as coming from "toxic and spoiled fans". Well, look at them now, just a midtable team.

mate ... I understand your sentiments but let’s focus on us. We are now below them and relegation material at this point in time with arguably 6 or so of the best attacking midfielders /forwards in the entire league and we have a manager who has 100 games under his belt and has not taken us forward.
Arsenal? Who cares.
We are Man Utd . Biggest club in the world. And we give managers ‘time’
Real Madrid, Barcelona see a crisis if they are 2nd or 3rd, we wait until we have spent millions and give time to an unproven passive manager who’s tactics are obviously underdeveloped

Manchester United is not a nursery school for aspiring managers..

3 defeats at home! Already! With better players than the opposition in our squad

pick your best players at least - especially if you don’t have the tactics!!! Dear lord it’s embarrassing

Dave Smith · Nov 1, 2020

Nicoseth said:
Feel exactly the same. He's really improved the squad but the performances aren't there. Poch is the obvious choice and a good choice too.

Poch is not a winner. He is the type of manager that gets to a final and bottles it because he is too emotional.

Red_toad · Nov 2, 2020

yan man utd said:
Manchester United is not a nursery school for aspiring managers..

Jose and Van Gaal were both very experienced Managers, as was Moyes. It's not about who's in charge of the team now, the issues are far deeper. Whoever is hiring the managers and purchasing players has a lot of questions to answer.

Dave Smith · Nov 2, 2020

Red_toad said:
Jose and Van Gaal were both very experienced Managers, as was Moyes. It's not about who's in charge of the team now, the issues are far deeper. Whoever is hiring the managers and purchasing players has a lot of questions to answer.

I think it is now at a stage where Utd have to go to a Nagelsmann type manager and go for a root and branch reboot and be prepared for 2-3 years of restructuring. The club do have some good/very good players: Greenwood, Martial, Rashford, Fernandez, De Gea/Henderson, AWB, VdB, Telles are all good enough to be first team players. Williams also looks promising, while players like Fred and McTom are ok as squad rotational players in the medium to long term. At CB there are enough players for the CB3/4 roles. That is a good base to work from, but it does mean that long term there needs to be a massive clear out and it will be very hard/expensive to clear some of the current first team players out.

The problem atm, is that Ole was meant to have been doing this himself, so where Utd should already be 18 months into such a project there appear to still be at square one. How Utd still have issues at CB is beyond a joke.

wolvored · Nov 2, 2020

I keep saying this squad is very strong it just needs the right manager and coaching to put it right. For example look how Arsenal have been turned around in a short space of time with Arteta at the helm. Look how he coached them from the sidelines, where Ole just sits dumbstruck in his seat. If we got a proper progressive manager and first team coaches in with the strength in depth we now have,. They also could turn it round in months not years.

Withnail · Nov 2, 2020

wolvored said:
I keep saying this squad is very strong it just needs the right manager and coaching to put it right. For example look how Arsenal have been turned around in a short space of time with Arteta at the helm. Look how he coached them from the sidelines, where Ole just sits dumbstruck in his seat. If we got a proper progressive manager and first team coaches in with the strength in depth we now have,. They also could turn it round in months not years.

How have Arsenal been turned around?

We had a bad night but if we had any kind of cohesion and put them under sustained pressure when the game was in the balance we would beaten them.

They were mid-table last season and they are mid-table now. Aside from a good cup run I don't see what the fuss is about and certainly wouldn't want Arteta at United based on the evidence to date.

Maticmaker · Nov 2, 2020

yan man utd said:
It’s hard to fathom. We have had some good performances v PSG and Leipzig.... but the league is the benchmark and the test of a manager. Considering the pool of players at his disposal the initial selection is for me consistently wrong. First, way too conservative, but our lack of a dynamic DM who can not only properly protect the back 4 and which would allow us to play van de beek or Pogba centrally is a gaping error. Neither mctominay or Fred are that player. They simply lack the expertise to collect from the back four and distribute astutely. This encourages teams to press us and hems us back. Subsequently players like Rashford and greenwood find themselves having to help win the ball inside our own defensive third. This is criminal and so effing obvious.

solskaer sits there without a squeak. Arteta is on it... directing orders and managing the game.

Despite the lack of a proper DM - and why did we not get Partey or Neves???????

mistake after mistake.100 games in, millions spent, brilliant individual players, and we are going backwards...I’m really starting to think solskaer thinks he has 5 years.
Success is an urgent requirement. Evolution, possession and astute in game management as well as an aggressive approach and way more intelligent pressing are absolutely necessary - yesterday/ today... never mind tomrw

it’s scary

Excellent post, agree with virtually every word, change 'its scary' to 'its unbelievable' ...spot on!

wolvored · Nov 2, 2020

Withnail said:
How have Arsenal been turned around?

We had a bad night but if we had any kind of cohesion and put them under sustained pressure when the game was in the balance we would beaten them.

They were mid-table last season and they are mid-table now. Aside from a good cup run I don't see what the fuss is about and certainly wouldn't want Arteta at United based on the evidence to date.

If you can't see the difference between when he took over and now then I don't know what to say. Let's see where they are at xmas

Withnail · Nov 2, 2020

wolvored said:
If you can't see the difference between when he took over and now then I don't know what to say. Let's see where they are at xmas

Yes I can see a difference in how they play but that doesn't answer my question.

They are inconsistent and aren't playing very well. They'll likely be top-half-ish at Christmas too which isn't much of a turn-around.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 2, 2020

wolvored said:
If you can't see the difference between when he took over and now then I don't know what to say. Let's see where they are at xmas

They have won a trophy for a start. We got to three semi's and lost every one of them.

Nicoseth · Nov 2, 2020

Dave Smith said:
Poch is not a winner. He is the type of manager that gets to a final and bottles it because he is too emotional.

Think that's harsh. Is Ole a winner? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Ole, have been Ole in consistently up to this point but the writing is on the wall for him. I look at that squad and I think we could actually challenge for the top 2 or 3 this year, especially given that other teams are inconsistent too. I think Ole is running out of excuses. After Palace and Spurs it was about fitness. When we beat Newcastle - our season starts now was the cry. Then came Chelsea - shite and gutless. And yesterday was worse than Spurs in my opinion. Spurs were on fire, we lost our heads, red card and it just spiraled from there. Yesterday there were no excuses. Tactics were wrong, the players looked disinterested, workrate was terrible, passing was terrible. Arsenal weren't even that good, we were just awful. Shocking. And eventually the buck stops with the manager.

At this stage I'm not sure he can turn it around and while Poch hasn't won anything, his work at Southampton and Spurs was excellent. Great coach who develops players and could do a good job with this group of players, imo.

croadyman · Nov 2, 2020

wolvored said:
I keep saying this squad is very strong it just needs the right manager and coaching to put it right. For example look how Arsenal have been turned around in a short space of time with Arteta at the helm. Look how he coached them from the sidelines, where Ole just sits dumbstruck in his seat. If we got a proper progressive manager and first team coaches in with the strength in depth we now have,. They also could turn it round in months not years.

Yeah I am not going to lie that sitting and just looking at his silly little screen really pisses me off

Reddevildans · Nov 2, 2020

Withnail said:
How have Arsenal been turned around?

We had a bad night but if we had any kind of cohesion and put them under sustained pressure when the game was in the balance we would beaten them.

They were mid-table last season and they are mid-table now. Aside from a good cup run I don't see what the fuss is about and certainly wouldn't want Arteta at United based on the evidence to date.

Exactly. All this talk of arteta turning things around is nonsense. They're quite an average outfit apart from a few players. They outwitted and outplayed us for sure, but we have better players than them and the manager isnt getting the best out of them. We look good when we want and completely useless when we want. I just dont get it. We have players to play multiple systems and ways of playing but the manager seems clueless in how to implement his tactics. The only good thing we do is counter attack. But until we find ways to circumvent packed defences and improve on set plays we will be lurking midtable.

Withnail · Nov 2, 2020

croadyman said:
Yeah I am not going to lie that sitting and just looking at his silly little screen really pisses me off

He got rid of the ipad before the RB game:

Samid said:
BREAKING: Ole has retired his iPad

wolvored · Nov 2, 2020

DomesticTadpole said:
They have won a trophy for a start. We got to three semi's and lost every one of them.

Exactly. Arteta is miles better than Ole as a coach. Arsenal already looking a lot better since he took over. He also got Partey which we should have been all over.

wolvored · Nov 2, 2020

Reddevildans said:
Exactly. All this talk of arteta turning things around is nonsense. They're quite an average outfit apart from a few players. They outwitted and outplayed us for sure, but we have better players than them and the manager isnt getting the best out of them. We look good when we want and completely useless when we want. I just dont get it. We have players to play multiple systems and ways of playing but the manager seems clueless in how to implement his tactics. The only good thing we do is counter attack. But until we find ways to circumvent packed defences and improve on set plays we will be lurking midtable.

This say it all. If that doesnt prove Ole isnt the right manager for us then I dont know what does.

croadyman · Nov 2, 2020

wolvored said:
This say it all. If that doesnt prove Ole isnt the right manager for us then I dont know what does.

Yeah when even Arsenal fans come out and say you have the better players but yet we still get beat then that absolutely says it all about Ole

crossy1686 · Nov 2, 2020

croadyman said:
Yeah I am not going to lie that sitting and just looking at his silly little screen really pisses me off

There's many things to be annoyed about but Ole flagging points in the match to revisit in the post match team meeting is hardly one of them...

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