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    Android1974 said:
    Yes, you're right, that's a more accurate depiction. So, you think they go all attack and push us back? It seemed to me Guardiola was losing his trust on Sterling and he might not start, leaving the right side for the Belgian. On the contrary, Touré is featuring more and more. I guess much will depend on de Bruyne's position, and Mourinho might be tempted to put Herrera on him, which would be harder with him on the right. And what about Navas, will he keep his position ahead of Zabaleta or Fernandinho?

    With that in mind, I expect something more like this:
    Caballero
    Navas/Zabaleta–Kompany–Otamendi–Clichy/Kolarov
    Fernandinho–Touré
    de Bruyne–Silva–Sané
    Agüero/Jesus​
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    The pressure on Pep is immense and he'll be desperate to defeat us to lighten the pressure on him and his team, so he'll most probably push for the win in this game and goes for attack imo but your formation is very reasonable and we can see it if he decided to take to cautious approach.

    Think Navas will keep his position as a RB yes, he's doing well so why change him. Their backs are shite anyway and Pep understands this so he'll keep on gambling with Navas.
     
    Go after Aguero with force and take him out of the game.. He's far from 100% after limping off on Saturday.

    Let our WBs take care of their wingers and put Herrera on de Bryune. Carrick there to open the play quickly and Rashford,Lingard and Rooney behind the two. 0-1,2
     
    De Gea
    Darmian - Bailly - Blind
    Valencia ---- Carrick ---- Shaw
    Herrera - Pogba
    Rashford ------- Lingard
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    Not sure on the fitness of Pogba but hopefully he was just cramping up. Rashford and Lingard can really hurt City's defence with their movement - I don't think Otamendi/Kompany/Stones will like players that run away from them, and it gives us an out ball down the channels to expose their attacking full backs.

    I think we're going to need a gigantic effort from Herrera again, he'll have to do the work of two men on occasion to cover Fernandinho/Silva and help Valencia out a bit too. We can easily convert to a four man defence if it isn't working or we go behind.
     
    I have Sky Q incl/ Sports free with my new job so I'm finally getting it all installed tomorrow, just in time for the big game. And I bought a 4K TV a few weeks ago... goodbye streams :p

    Anyway, on the game I'm majorly concerned with our defence sans Rojo. Can't believe I'm saying that after last season!
     
    If Valencia doesn't play at RB, Sane is going to absolutely murder whoever is playing on our right. Biggest threat for me.
     
    Alabaster Codify7 said:
    ------------------DDG---------------------
    Valencia----Bailly----Blind------Shaw---
    --------Herrera-------Fellaini-----------
    Mkhitaryan---Lingard--------Martial---
    -------------Rashford---------------

    SUBS - Rooney (Martial), Pogba (Lingard), Young (Valencia)

    Man City 2 - 1 Man United
    Aguero, Sane
    Rashford
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    Would not start with fellani in this game , City's attacking midfeilders KDB has accelaration and speed to beat him over few yards , and that's where difference will be. Pogba is also a must to pass behind city defenses .
     
    Just read that Atkison is the ref for this - the officiating has been poor all season but, this guy just seems to want to be at the center of attention and being a big game - can't help but, feel fearful. Definitely hope we keep our aggression on just the right side with this twat reffing.
     
    worldinmotion66 said:
    De Gea
    Darmian - Bailly - Blind
    Valencia ---- Carrick ---- Shaw
    Herrera - Pogba
    Rashford ------- Lingard
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    Not sure on the fitness of Pogba but hopefully he was just cramping up. Rashford and Lingard can really hurt City's defence with their movement - I don't think Otamendi/Kompany/Stones will like players that run away from them, and it gives us an out ball down the channels to expose their attacking full backs.

    I think we're going to need a gigantic effort from Herrera again, he'll have to do the work of two men on occasion to cover Fernandinho/Silva and help Valencia out a bit too. We can easily convert to a four man defence if it isn't working or we go behind.
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    I agree with playing with a flexible back 3/5 and the lineup, though I'd swap out Carrick for Fellaini and perhaps, given Jesse's last game and Martial's, swap the two of them.
     
    Not impressed with City against Arsenal, thought the whole game lacked quality from both sides. Sane looks their main threat so fingers crossed Valencia has a blinder and keeps him quiet.

    If Kompany plays, it's going to be difficult to win any headers/crosses. Need Rashford and Martial to make them pay by going at them directly. 2-1 United win.
     
    Abdou0230 said:
    We just need to do what we did against Chelsea.
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    I don't know about that. The key player is De Bruyne and he is not really in the middle, but rather on one side. Herrera can try to follow him but I think it will be hard to be as efficient as Hazard.
    Basically we want to avoid the kind of goal that they scored when Kevin De Bruyne just rushed ahead of everyone on the ball in the first game.

    I just hope City was tired playing Arsenal but to be honest, I don't see that happening.
     
    Bastian said:
    I agree with playing with a flexible back 3/5 and the lineup, though I'd swap out Carrick for Fellaini and perhaps, given Jesse's last game and Martial's, swap the two of them.
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    3 at the back is asking for trouble, City are a posession based side and their wide players are fast enough to exploit the space, chelsea had inside forwards and wingbacks , so the win backs cancelled each other . while the midfeilders took care of inside forwards.
     
    Bastian said:
    I agree with playing with a flexible back 3/5 and the lineup, though I'd swap out Carrick for Fellaini and perhaps, given Jesse's last game and Martial's, swap the two of them.
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    I see where you're coming from but I think that Martial and Fellaini can both be more useful from the bench as impact subs. Carrick can only come on to control the game, and I don't think we'll need to do that as the rewards for counter attacking are much greater.

    prtk0811 said:
    3 at the back is asking for trouble, City are a posession based side and their wide players are fast enough to exploit the space, chelsea had inside forwards and wingbacks , so the win backs cancelled each other . while the midfeilders took care of inside forwards.
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    Our wing backs don't need to attack though, generally. We can sit deep and counter with our pacey attackers and Pogba's legs in midfield. I don't think City are good enough to pass through a three man midfield and three at the back. It's a little pragmatic but I think we have to be because of the amount of games we've played and the injuries we've accrued.
     
    For Mourinho the issue might be between fielding Fellaini/Carrick or another advanced midfielder like Mkhitaryan/Lingard.
     
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    Mourinho probably doesn't trust Shaw to give him a place in the starting eleven, but it could be worth the risk seeing him as left wingback instead of Young, a more dangerous one attacking also, where he might not be so susceptible to ruin our offside line, etc.
     
    worldinmotion66 said:
    I see where you're coming from but I think that Martial and Fellaini can both be more useful from the bench as impact subs. Carrick can only come on to control the game, and I don't think we'll need to do that as the rewards for counter attacking are much greater.



    Our wing backs don't need to attack though, generally. We can sit deep and counter with our pacey attackers and Pogba's legs in midfield. I don't think City are good enough to pass through a three man midfield and three at the back. It's a little pragmatic but I think we have to be because of the amount of games we've played and the injuries we've accrued.
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    Nah we have to play to win atleast for the first 70 mins, Without the width and numbers in the attack it will be very difficult to score against a city side who defends proactively the same as us but are a little open than us i must admit. We are man united and we play like one. City have Fast accelaration players in attacking midfeild who can beat both pogba andk fellani over some yards while we know the cleverness pep guardiola uses to penetrate behind the midfeild by playing boring slow back pass side pass by building from the back and the attacking midfeilders lurk behind the defenses to recive a pass and create via holding the ball and link up play with the wingers. 2 man attack would not be effective in pressing a 5 man defense and midfeild including the goal keeper.

    A 4231 Out of Posession with rashford pressing the goal keeper high, and wide players pressing the split city cb's and Pogba pressing the Yaya toure or fernandinho will stop them playing out from the back and Herrera and carrick zonal pressing / zonal man marking both silva and Kdb , pressing their creativity on the ball will ensure they can not create any significant chances let alone take them. If ageuro drops deep to recive a direct pass bailly could press high with him to deny him the turn and link up play with the zonal man marked KDB and Silva.

    In posession a 433 With Pogba having the freedom to create and make attack passes for Fluid movement of the front 3 Rashford Martial and lingard where full backs work harder and contribute in defense too out wide with the overlapping opposition full backs.

    City are a little open side defensively so we have our chances if we play we have played all season on the ball and against chelsea as their defense is dodgy and goal keeper is leaky error prone .
     
    In Posession 433


    --Martial----Rashford-----Lingard


    ----herrera---Pogba---Carrick---


    Shaw------Blind-------Bailly-----AV


    Out of Posession 4231, high press and zonal press / zonal man mark KDB and Silva


    --------------Rashford--------------

    ---Martial------Pogba--------Lingard--

    --------Herrera-------Carrick------

    Shaw-------Blind------Bailly------AV


    Mkh Fellani Fosumensah Young Darmian Rooney Roemro on the bench
     
    Gasolin said:
    I don't know about that. The key player is De Bruyne and he is not really in the middle, but rather on one side. Herrera can try to follow him but I think it will be hard to be as efficient as Hazard.
    Basically we want to avoid the kind of goal that they scored when Kevin De Bruyne just rushed ahead of everyone on the ball in the first game.

    I just hope City was tired playing Arsenal but to be honest, I don't see that happening.
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    Herrera should Zonally Man mark KDB , If he goes on the wing herrera must his place similarly carrick when silva attacks
     
    SteveTheRed said:
    Not impressed with City against Arsenal, thought the whole game lacked quality from both sides. Sane looks their main threat so fingers crossed Valencia has a blinder and keeps him quiet.

    If Kompany plays, it's going to be difficult to win any headers/crosses. Need Rashford and Martial to make them pay by going at them directly. 2-1 United win.
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    He has ramos diease , he can make a silly tackle when challenged and get a red.
     
    prtk0811 said:
    Nah we have to play to win atleast for the first 70 mins, Without the width and numbers in the attack it will be very difficult to score against a city side who defends proactively the same as us but are a little open than us i must admit. We are man united and we play like one. City have Fast accelaration players in attacking midfeild who can beat both pogba andk fellani over some yards while we know the cleverness pep guardiola uses to penetrate behind the midfeild by playing boring slow back pass side pass by building from the back and the attacking midfeilders lurk behind the defenses to recive a pass and create via holding the ball and link up play with the wingers. 2 man attack would not be effective in pressing a 5 man defense and midfeild including the goal keeper.

    A 4231 Out of Posession with rashford pressing the goal keeper high, and wide players pressing the split city cb's and Pogba pressing the Yaya toure or fernandinho will stop them playing out from the back and Herrera and carrick zonal pressing / zonal man marking both silva and Kdb , pressing their creativity on the ball will ensure they can not create any significant chances let alone take them. If ageuro drops deep to recive a direct pass bailly could press high with him to deny him the turn and link up play with the zonal man marked KDB and Silva.

    In posession a 433 With Pogba having the freedom to create and make attack passes for Fluid movement of the front 3 Rashford Martial and lingard where full backs work harder and contribute in defense too out wide with the overlapping opposition full backs.

    City are a little open side defensively so we have our chances if we play we have played all season on the ball and against chelsea as their defense is dodgy and goal keeper is leaky error prone .
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    My point was to let them have the ball at the back and sit deeper. We just don't have the legs, the players looked shot after extra time against Anderlecht and the game at Burnley. Pogba is clearly struggling, and Carrick/Fellaini aren't natural pressers. If we sit back and let Rashford/Lingard/Martial/Mkhitaryan press when they can (basically our most fresh players really), I think we can do more damage on the counter.

    In an ideal scenario, perhaps we can play a pressing game, but I personally think we'll struggle to play another game at high tempo. Then again, we did cruise against Burnley so perhaps we might have the energy to go again. It would be risky to press their midfield imo, as I think they have the ability to play through it and isolate our full backs 1v1.
     
    worldinmotion66 said:
    My point was to let them have the ball at the back and sit deeper. We just don't have the legs, the players looked shot after extra time against Anderlecht and the game at Burnley. Pogba is clearly struggling, and Carrick/Fellaini aren't natural pressers. If we sit back and let Rashford/Lingard/Martial/Mkhitaryan press when they can (basically our most fresh players really), I think we can do more damage on the counter.

    In an ideal scenario, perhaps we can play a pressing game, but I personally think we'll struggle to play another game at high tempo. Then again, we did cruise against Burnley so perhaps we might have the energy to go again. It would be risky to press their midfield imo, as I think they have the ability to play through it and isolate our full backs 1v1.
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    Well even they played on sunday and extra 30 minutes where they lost, so the fatigue level of both the teams would be the same, If we let them have the ball and build from the back they are going to grow in confidence and be comfortable as their game plan is working , pressing forwards but not the midfeilders do not make sense as all 3 of KDB silva or YaYa can recive the ball and build forward so the attackers effort is wasted.

    Instead , we press to win the ball back and we play our posession based game , with creative players in martial and lingard and pogba rand rashford so that they have to press us and spend their energy to rob the ball from us.

    We have to give the effort in this game no matter what, we cant play in city's hands because the way they win the ball back wont give us many chances at goal either and our finishing has been dodgy .

    Pogba pressing yaya wont be a big issue as he is 33 and he himself gets exposed defensively so i think pogba has to manage it. The game only becomes high tempo with pressing is when you dont have the ball and keep it and let other team do the same pressing work , which None of their attackers or midfeilders is capable of doing . Its basically reversing their game against them.

    Its not that risky when you press the creative source of the team, and we have the full backs quality to win the one on one duel.

    Sitting back would just make them comfortable , and instead put pressure on us with their creative players with the ball which our defense wont be able to handle with blind or even smalling and jones . We did it against city at old trafford and went 2 goals down in first half. Our defense can not handle the pressure of sitting back.

    We have to not loose this game first and the best way to deny them chances is to play high press and disrupt their possesion rythm and build ours.
     
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    Seen some news about returning of Smalling and Jones to training!
    Is Pog ok for this?
    Hope we go for it from the early start like we did vs Chelsea.
    Hope we see Rash and Martial parting the front line.
     
    So chuffed to read that Herrera and Pogba may be back, as well as Valencia. Would be horrible if we lost both of our central midfielders who can hustle.
     
    After the Chelsea game I was absolutely buzzing and confident we would do City, but I don't know, I just think the dread has creeped in. I feel like too many people are EXPECTING us to out-think City and Pep and expecting us to out perform them, and I am dreading them putting in their game of the season against us, like they did in the first half at Old Trafford, they were unbelievable and blew us off the park.

    I really hope our boys perform, I can see why Mourinho only plays players he trusts, we're all putting a lot of trust and faith into these lads for this game!
     
    Got to be a 4-3-3 to match them up really.

    Would start Carrick over Fellaini, they haven't got massive height but pass/movement is their speciality, something Fellaini struggles with more. Think Carrick does the CDM role better and moves the ball faster.
     
    Yeah Im nervous about this one too. I think both teams will be totally up for it and focused. I hope Mourinho doesnt try the same thing he did against Chelsea and that he has a surprise up his sleeve. That's the big advantage we have over City, nobody knows what Mourinho's game plan will be whereas Guardiola is more of a purist. If Mourinho can devise something that will catch them off guard we have a better chance.
     
    VALENCIA WELL VERSED IN MANCHESTER DERBIES

    Antonio Valencia is excited by Manchester United's short trip to the Etihad Stadium on Thursday night and hoping the Reds can produce "a big performance" against the club's local rivals.

    The Ecuador international has gained plenty of experience in derby fixtures since joining the Reds in 2009, having faced Manchester City on 17 previous occasions in all competitions. Ahead of the latest match between the sides, Valencia says he knows how important the meetings are to the fans.

    "I've lived in the Manchester area for a good few years now, so I know exactly what these games mean to the fans," Valencia told MUTV.

    "The people of Manchester put huge importance on this game. I know they really live the experience, so I'm sure it will be a great atmosphere.

    "We're excited. We just hope that, on the night, we can perform really well and put in a big performance. I think we're going into it in good shape, we’ve been working hard and we all feel well prepared."

    Valencia has been widely praised for his performances this season, and while he is delighted by the progress he has made under Jose Mourinho's management, he insists there is still work to be done before the end of the campaign.

    "I’m very happy with the season and the work I’ve put in throughout the season so far," he added.

    "But what we need to remember is that it’s not over yet, there are still games to come and there's a trophy [the Europa League] at stake at the end of the season, we need to make sure we get our hands on that.

    "I love this team and I love this club with a passion, I love being here and I’m very grateful for the support of the fans this season. Also, the manager and my team-mates have shown great faith in me, and that makes me very happy.

    "I’m in a good place at the moment, but I need to make sure I keep pushing and performing at the same level until the end of the season."

    MUTV's exclusive interview with Antonio Valencia will be shown in Matchday Live from 19:00 BST on Thursday.
     
    Isn't it Thursday yet???? :mad: I hate the gaps between games!
     
    Jonno said:
    After the Chelsea game I was absolutely buzzing and confident we would do City, but I don't know, I just think the dread has creeped in. I feel like too many people are EXPECTING us to out-think City and Pep and expecting us to out perform them, and I am dreading them putting in their game of the season against us, like they did in the first half at Old Trafford, they were unbelievable and blew us off the park.

    I really hope our boys perform, I can see why Mourinho only plays players he trusts, we're all putting a lot of trust and faith into these lads for this game!
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    NOt sure what game you were watching tbh.

    They were better in the first half, but really Zlatan should have leveled it with he chance he had at the end of it.

    In the second half we were the better team. We should've had a penalty as well and Bravo should've been sent off.
     
    Just been asked why this game is on a Thursday as opposed to tonight, anyone know? Guessing it's a combination of both teams' fixture pile up and Sky wanting to televise as many games as possible
     
    We will win this, it's just a case of whether it going to be a boring 1-0 win or we win by good 3 goals. Either way, I'm extremely confident.
     
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