FA Premier League

Everton 2:2 Manchester United

Goodison Park

Kick-off
Sat, 22 February 2025 @ 12:30pm GMT
Status

Finished

Discussion Your Lineup Prediction

  • Not a single actual winger lining up for us today. Never thought I'd see the day at this club.
    Crazy to think that an elite level talent like Yamal wouldn’t get a game for us in his natural position with this stupid formation.
     
    Not a fan of leaving Garna out when he's the best out of the 3 attackers we have fit. Absolutely nobody who can take people on out there for us
     
    Not a fan of leaving Garna out when he's the best out of the 3 attackers we have fit. Absolutely nobody who can take people on out there for us
    He also has a great record against Everton which shows you that Amorim doesn’t even know which players are suited to certain opponents, he’s such a rookie at PL level and he needs to learn fast now?
     
    Every game to me is one game closer to the end of season.
    We say this for almost every game and every season.
    Every season is a write-off.
    Some people may already have written off next season.
    We can't keep writing off seasons and games like this.

    I'm looking at today's match and I can't help feel that we are once again, the underdogs.
     
    There’s some good quality in this team.

    Just take Ugarte, he’s been excellent, Bruno consistently amongst the highest numbers for a number 10 in the league before this season. 4 players could change this team we just need the right 4.
    Some people just want to be negative

    I agree with you that this lineup isn’t terrible at all. Imagine us buying an actual 9 in the summer, plus a RWB and one CM. I dare say it would make a GOOD team

    For today: 1-2
    Bruno screamer & Hojlund tap in
     
    Or missing the target completely and ignoring teammates in better positions.

    While true both he and Bruno average 1.1 shot off target per game. Garnacho on the other hand averages 1.5 on target as well and thats a good ratio - none of our other players are above Bruno's 0.8 shots on target per 90

    The first step to scoring goals is getting your shot on target. Most of the time you arent going to score if you don't get that part right

    Zirkzee is playing and he averages 0.7 on target and 0.7 on target per 90 mins. Just 50/50
     
    We can't score goals. We don't have a single player at the club who can score a goal. And there is no way we will score a goal

    2-0 to Everton

    We won't score a goal
    So leave out the player that scores goals against Everton, Ruben is dogging his own grave right now, this team he’s selected is to try and be compact and nick the game 1-0 won’t happen?
     
    Having seen the line-up i'm having a late surge of confidence. You'd think that team should be able to keep the ball well. And if Dorgu and Dalot play on the left and right respectively, the balance will be there.
     
    ....and that is a "defensive" lineup how, exactly?

    Three CBs, two fullbacks at wingbacks and two DMs in midfield.

    I'm not particularly critical given the relatively limited options to hand, but you'd have a hard time seriously trying to argue that isn't a defensive set of players.

    Ideally you'd have at least one actual attacker in one of the wingback roles, and pair your DM with someone who isn't also a defensive midfielder.
     
    ....and that is a "defensive" lineup how, exactly?

    Three CBs, two fullbacks at wingbacks and two DMs in midfield.

    I'm not particularly critical given the relatively limited options to hand, but you'd have a hard time seriously trying to argue that isn't a defensive set of players. 7 of the 10 outfield players defenders or notionally defense-first players.

    Ideally you'd have at least one actual attacker in one of the wingback roles, and pair your DM with someone who isn't also a defensive midfielder.
     
    Ugarte Casemiro has looked the best combo this season. They seem to work well together and hopefully they can carry it on today.

    The system makes us choose between Garnacho and Bruno though where as 4231/433 allows both players.
     
    We cruised past Everton in the reverse fixture, but a lot has changed since then. Our performances have steadily declined, while Everton, now under Moyes after replacing Dyche, have been revitalised. His return has been nothing short of brilliant.

    That said, despite Amorim’s comments and the media’s narrative, we have more than enough quality to win this game—even against an Everton side in far better form.

    The team we played in the reverse fixture was:

    Onana
    Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez
    Amad Casemiro Mainoo Dalot
    Rashford Bruno
    Zirkzee

    At this point, we have nothing to lose. Relegation isn’t a real concern, which makes this the perfect opportunity to give some of our youth players a chance. With that in mind, the lineup I’d like to see this time is:

    Onana
    Mazraoui De Ligt Heaven
    Dalot Ugarte Moorhouse Dorgu
    Garnacho Bruno
    Zirkzee
    Lose the next two games and relegation is a real concern because Amorim would have lost 65% of his PL matches !
     
    While true both he and Bruno average 1.1 shot off target per game. Garnacho on the other hand averages 1.5 on target as well and thats a good ratio - none of our other players are above Bruno's 0.8 shots on target per 90

    The first step to scoring goals is getting your shot on target. Most of the time you arent going to score if you don't get that part right

    Zirkzee is playing and he averages 0.7 on target and 0.7 on target per 90 mins. Just 50/50
    That would be because we don't create enough chances. Garnacho is selfish and shoots on sight. You'd expect him to hit the odd one on target.
     
    Not a fan of leaving Garna out when he's the best out of the 3 attackers we have fit. Absolutely nobody who can take people on out there for us
    To be fair Garna has always been better off the bench, some of the moaning here is incredible.
     
    With Collyer and Mainoo not available and Bruno proving hopeless in CM last weekend, we’ve had to field Casemiro.
    The cover available on the bench?
    Eriksen and inexperienced teenagers.
    CM & CDM must be a top priority come the end of the season, as it should have been back when Ole was in charge, but ignored by him and abandoned by ETH.

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    Is he? I'm thinking that he's always better coming in as impact sub.
    I'd like him as an impact sub if we had 2019 Rashford, 2020 Cavani and Amad starting. With this current lineup, I'd prefer Garnacho starting so we can see us have a few shots in the first 60 minutes.
     
    Three CBs, two fullbacks at wingbacks and two DMs in midfield.

    I'm not particularly critical given the relatively limited options to hand, but you'd have a hard time seriously trying to argue that isn't a defensive set of players. 7 of the 10 outfield players defenders or notionally defense-first players.

    Ideally you'd have at least one actual attacker in one of the wingback roles, and pair your DM with someone who isn't also a defensive midfielder.
    Oh come on, that is way too simplistic to make any kind of meaningful argument. "Defensive midfielder" is a role Casemiro often plays, not something he IS. Generally one of our 8s is heavily involved offensively, as I am sure will be the case tiday too. Hopefully that's Casemiro - at this stage he has much more to offer in that role than as a defensive anchor. And the WBs play an offensive role whether or not the players are nominally FBs or whatever. Dorgu also has played wing quite a lot, I gather.
     
    I really want to retain a sense of balance and perspective but whoever posts the official lineups in that order is a committed paedophile.
     
    Garnacho is the only player in our team that isn't ridiculously predictable. So angry he is on the bench. He's a highly talented player and we are forcing him out the club. Amorim and INEOS should hang their heads in shame.
     
    Ugarte Casemiro has looked the best combo this season. They seem to work well together and hopefully they can carry it on today.

    The system makes us choose between Garnacho and Bruno though where as 4231/433 allows both players.
    Having 2 DMs in this system gives the wingbacks more license to go forward. It's why I like Amad as RWB.
     
    Is he? I'm thinking that he's always better coming in as impact sub.

    This is how I feel about him, too. He's a good/great sub to have when there's around 20/30 minutes to go and we need to change the dynamic of our attack.

    I feel a little bit the same way about Hojlund, too. We have problems with our starting 11 with the attacking player just not being good enough. I'd love an entire new front three.
     
Post-match discussion

Man of the Match

Provisional results
Bruno Fernandes image Bruno Fernandes 37% of 172 votes

Runners-up

Player Ratings

Provisional results
4.7 Total Average Rating

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Compiled from 169 ratings.

Score Predictions

44,101,25
  • Man Utd win
  • Everton win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 29% Everton 2:0 Man Utd
  • 12% Everton 1:1 Man Utd
  • 12% Everton 1:2 Man Utd
  • 11% Everton 2:1 Man Utd
  • 8% Everton 3:0 Man Utd
  • 5% Everton 0:2 Man Utd
  • 4% Everton 3:1 Man Utd
  • 4% Everton 1:0 Man Utd
  • 4% Everton 0:1 Man Utd
  • 2% Everton 1:3 Man Utd
  • 2% Everton 2:2 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 4:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 0:4 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 9:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 0:9 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 0:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 0:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Everton 4:2 Man Utd
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