Crystal Palace 0:0 Manchester United

Olecurls99 · Sunday at 11:38

AndySmith1990 said:
Slot hasn't just taken them to 8th in the league and dumped them out of an easy CL group, or lost 7-0 to their biggest rivals.

Context

Yep, there's lots to give out about I agree. Yesterday showed a lot of positives.

Olecurls99 · Sunday at 11:40

crossy1686 said:
It's a fecking awful result for a club the size of Manchester United who spend billions of pounds on signing some of the best players in the world and have ambitions to win the league or CL.

Do you honestly think we should win either of them this year? You've got to walk before you run.

Mindhunter · Sunday at 11:44

Our team is like those ceremonial swords of erstwhile majarajas. It is studded with gold, rubies, and precious stones, and looks like a billion dollars. But is completely blunt on both edges. Take it to a fight and you would be brining your head back on a platter.

Still ill · Sunday at 11:46

Matt Varnish said:
The onlhy positive in this game was Onana keeping us in it, my MOTM, first time I've ever done that!

Mother of God. What game were you watching?

Still ill · Sunday at 11:49

I mean we spent most of last season being overrun by literally every team that played us, home or away. Can people not see a difference in the last 3 games? Can people remember what last season at Selhurst Park looked like? Yesterday was day and night. Granted, we should have won but if you're trotting out the 'same old shite' line, you're talking through your hoop.

Offside · Sunday at 11:49

Glad to see us play so well, there’s been a definite improvement in performances this season. Results are going to take a while to click whilst we have such a young team, new signings and still some deadwood hanging around.

The main issues I have are how poor the last 15 mins were and how that absolutely 2nd best Palace side still had multiple chances to win it. Still huge question marks over Ten Hag. I could really get more behind us if we had better game management and a younger, more charismatic manager.

Wheato · Sunday at 11:51

On reflection, we have to acknowledge the difference in this season from last. We never dominated teams and often conceded 20 shots per game. We were scraping through games or taking big defeats on the road.

Apart from the last 20 mins of that game, we were well on top and should have been 2 or 3 goals up. Two point blank saves from Henderson, hitting the crossbar twice. Bruno had chances to put them to the sword.

In comparison with last season, we were a completely different team. Yes, the draw is disappointing, but I can see progress in so many areas. On another day, those chances go in, and the keeper doesn't have the game of his life.

It will come.

Mindhunter · Sunday at 12:03

Wheato said:
On reflection, we have to acknowledge the difference in this season from last. We never dominated teams and often conceded 20 shots per game. We were scraping through games or taking big defeats on the road.

Apart from the last 20 mins of that game, we were well on top and should have been 2 or 3 goals up. Two point blank saves from Henderson, hitting the crossbar twice. Bruno had chances to put them to the sword.

In comparison with last season, we were a completely different team. Yes, the draw is disappointing, but I can see progress in so many areas. On another day, those chances go in, and the keeper doesn't have the game of his life.

It will come.

I don’t think so. We will have patches when we will score a lot but again descend into dry spells.

Whichever way we want to spin it, the reality is that there isn’t enough goals in this team, even with the investments up top. We are poor at taking our chances and unless we fix that, having a world class midfield and defence isn’t going to make a difference.

Offside · Sunday at 12:10

Mindhunter said:
I don’t think so. We will have patches when we will score a lot but again descend into dry spells.

Whichever way we want to spin it, the reality is that there isn’t enough goals in this team, even with the investments up top. We are poor at taking our chances and unless we fix that, having a world class midfield and defence isn’t going to make a difference.

Do we need to fix that now though? I don’t think any of Zirkzee, Diallo, Garnacho and Hojlund are over the age of 21. In 2/3/4/5 years time they should be much more clinical. The way we have fixed it in the past is getting in an Ibra, Cavani, Lukaku etc. all which score goals to get us into the top 4 but very quickly become dead wood.

I’d rather have a couple of years outside the top 4 to let a proper team develop. Yesterday the young players and new signings (all of which are of a decent age profile) looked great. We need to get out of the top 4 cycle and build a team for a couple of years time when City may tail off. Arsenal and Liverpool who have challenged in recent years did the same thing, both spent considerable years without getting the results to even finish top 6.

The issues in our team will persist for a while whilst we get over 10 years of mismanagement and change the recruitment strategy to focus on long term rebuilding.

Woziak · Sunday at 12:12

DJ_21 said:
I like diallo and think he can transform into that player. His dribbling is insane in tight spaces. He’ll create chances but like you said so we have the number 9 to finish them? The guy from sporting is the type of ST we need. I think Martinez is similar to Zirkzee in like a false 9 position. I’m also gutted we didn’t sign olise, he would have been more first signing, we knew he was leaving and the fact we didn’t try to sign him is bizzare.

Especially when Olise guarantees goals and assists in the EPL, baffling decision when he’s a confessed United fan?

crossy1686 · Sunday at 12:39

Olecurls99 said:
Do you honestly think we should win either of them this year? You've got to walk before you run.

How can we win competitions we aren't even in? And whose fault might that be? Hang on, it might be the manager you know...

Mindhunter · Sunday at 12:44

Offside said:
Do we need to fix that now though? I don’t think any of Zirkzee, Diallo, Garnacho and Hojlund are over the age of 21. In 2/3/4/5 years time they should be much more clinical. The way we have fixed it in the past is getting in an Ibra, Cavani, Lukaku etc. all which score goals to get us into the top 4 but very quickly become dead wood.

I’d rather have a couple of years outside the top 4 to let a proper team develop. Yesterday the young players and new signings (all of which are of a decent age profile) looked great. We need to get out of the top 4 cycle and build a team for a couple of years time when City may tail off. Arsenal and Liverpool who have challenged in recent years did the same thing, both spent considerable years without getting the results to even finish top 6.

The issues in our team will persist for a while whilst we get over 10 years of mismanagement and change the recruitment strategy to focus on long term rebuilding.

I agree with you in principle. A slow build up will be more sustainable in the long run but unfortunately that’s not how modern football operates. We will miss the bus.

A couple of more seasons outside the CL and it would be extremely difficult to get back up, given our financial situation. We are anyways tethering on the edge and some creative accounting will hopefully steer us clear of the PSR rules.

lysglimt · Sunday at 12:53

AndySmith1990 said:
So all your optimism comes from beating Southampton, Barnsley, and drawing to Palace? Jesus how far we've fallen

Did you even read what I wrote ? We are nowhere near where we should be - I think everyone can agree on that. But most games over the last year we looked awful - this season we have looked awful in one game - Liverpool. Fulham was ok - Brighton at times was ok - and we probably would have won that game but for that bizarre offside-goal. Southampton was solid - and yesterday was really good for 60 minutes.

All the stats are showing that we are actually doing quite well this season - apart from one thing, scoring goals. I am not too concerned about that - that will come.

DJ_21 · Sunday at 12:56

Mindhunter said:
I agree with you in principle. A slow build up will be more sustainable in the long run but unfortunately that’s not how modern football operates. We will miss the bus.

A couple of more seasons outside the CL and it would be extremely difficult to get back up, given our financial situation. We are anyways tethering on the edge and some creative accounting will hopefully steer us clear of the PSR rules.

Getting into top 4/5 or winning the Europa league to get back into the CL would obviously be ideal and help us in the development a lot quicker. But I’d rather us slowly build up with a young team and then when pep leaves city which he will eventually we need to be ready to pounce and take advantage which we should be able to as we’ll be in a better position. Unfortunately aslong as peps at city we won’t come close to winning the league. They get like close to 90+ pts a season.

Olecurls99 · Sunday at 13:01

crossy1686 said:
How can we win competitions we aren't even in? And whose fault might that be? Hang on, it might be the manager you know...

You're the one who brought it up. We are where we are and demanding 1999 performances from this team is ridiculous. Again we are trying to get progressively better not jumping from a poor team to an amazing one.

Herschel Krustofsky · Sunday at 13:09

Still ill said:
I mean we spent most of last season being overrun by literally every team that played us, home or away. Can people not see a difference in the last 3 games?

I think a lot of the initial post-match positions in threads like this are from those quite heavily invested emotionally, the negativity and reactionary nature of these posts support.

The more calmer perspectives tens to follow after the dust has settled, people less vested emotionally (but not completely detached), happy to take time to reflect, and don’t feel the need to immediately have their say

We’re all different, but I find avoiding the reactionary stuff leaves me feeling a lot less negative overall. Negativity seems to feed more negativity in my experience.

GledTheRed · Sunday at 13:09

VP89 said:
Imagine being pissed off if Manchester United win a game

crossy1686 · Sunday at 13:11

Olecurls99 said:
You're the one who brought it up. We are where we are and demanding 1999 performances from this team is ridiculous. Again we are trying to get progressively better not jumping from a poor team to an amazing one.

I said we have ambitions to win big trophies, not that it's an expectation. And who's fault is it we have a poor team? You're throwing out a lot of blame but you're not attributing it to the person who has been responsible, instead you're focusing on the fact it's apparently being addressed?

Olecurls99 · Sunday at 13:16

crossy1686 said:
I said we have ambitions to win big trophies, not that it's an expectation. And who's fault is it we have a poor team? You're throwing out a lot of blame but you're not attributing it to the person who has been responsible, instead you're focusing on the fact it's apparently being addressed?

I'll happily attribute lots of blame to him. He was terrible last season and could very easily have been sacked.
Yesterday showed us some real signs of improvement. We looked like a proper team for 45 minutes. We haven't looked like that since we best Barcelona 2 years ago. That added to the last 45 against Southampton are worth clinging to. Hopefully we kick on again when we play Tottenham and have 2 45 minutes together.

Offside · Sunday at 13:23

Mindhunter said:
I agree with you in principle. A slow build up will be more sustainable in the long run but unfortunately that’s not how modern football operates. We will miss the bus.

A couple of more seasons outside the CL and it would be extremely difficult to get back up, given our financial situation. We are anyways tethering on the edge and some creative accounting will hopefully steer us clear of the PSR rules.

We’ve already missed the bus you’re referring to. We could build an excellent side very quickly with significant investment and still end up way short of Pep’s City. We’re living in their dominant era and so need to invest in our long term future, not just ready made signings.

TheLord · Sunday at 14:13

We need a number 9 - a top, top number 9.
Someone in the mould of Andy Cole.

bb8 · Sunday at 16:32

Bertie Wooster said:
Also, a friendly reminder that finishing in the CL spots, but winning no trophies, is just as much of a 'lost season' to some than finishing outside them but actually winning a trophy.

It's competitive sport - there's still some actually interested in winning trophies, rather than just 'celebrating' finishing in a CL spot.

Not really. Making the CL has big implications financially, and probably lets us add an extra big transfer next summer. It'd be a huge deal; could be worth like £70M to the club.

The sad reality is this roster is nowhere near good enough to win the Prem this year. I watch sports to enjoy them, not grind my teeth over unrealistic expectations. A top 5 and Europa final/win would be a great season, which could culminate in a side that can compete for a title in 1-2 years. We need to improve some on the results so far to get there, but that's my hope.

nakpodiareuben · Monday at 05:51

Still ill said:
I mean we spent most of last season being overrun by literally every team that played us, home or away. Can people not see a difference in the last 3 games? Can people remember what last season at Selhurst Park looked like? Yesterday was day and night. Granted, we should have won but if you're trotting out the 'same old shite' line, you're talking through your hoop.

They are people who just want a coach sacked so that feel good.

Matt Varnish · Monday at 10:25

nakpodiareuben said:
They are people who just want a coach sacked so that feel good.

Not the case, we want a coach who after being given loads of money to spend. produces a team that plays consistently well for 90mins.
If we were judging it over 5 games, I could understand your point, we are not though, we are seeing the same performances as we have for the previous two seasons, the odd good game where we think we can build, then it all goes tits up for the next three.
On that there is no imporvement, the only thing that has changed is the teams we do well against, and the teams we do poorly against.
Liverpool have changed manager and bought one player, are they better or worse after 5 games than they were last season?

Still ill · Monday at 18:26

Matt Varnish said:
Not the case, we want a coach who after being given loads of money to spend. produces a team that plays consistently well for 90mins.
If we were judging it over 5 games, I could understand your point, we are not though, we are seeing the same performances as we have for the previous two seasons, the odd good game where we think we can build, then it all goes tits up for the next three.
On that there is no imporvement, the only thing that has changed is the teams we do well against, and the teams we do poorly against.
Liverpool have changed manager and bought one player, are they better or worse after 5 games than they were last season?

We played well for 60 mins at Southampton, won 3-0, played well start to finish against Barnsley, won 7-0, played excellently for 60 against Palace where we were obliterated last season. These are consecutive games. Unrecognisable from last season. It's not perfect but it's progress by anyone's yardstick. Or no?

Matt Varnish · Monday at 18:41

Still ill said:
We played well for 60 mins at Southampton, won 3-0, played well start to finish against Barnsley, won 7-0, played excellently for 60 against Palace where we were obliterated last season. These are consecutive games. Unrecognisable from last season. It's not perfect but it's progress by anyone's yardstick. Or no?

Any resepctable United fan would ignore the Barnsley result, we shouldn't need to get out of first gear to beat them.
Southampton hadn't scored a goal when we played them, and missed a penalty, that could have turned the game for them, I'd argue about us dominating that game for 90mins.
Palace was back to normal, 6 mins of domination, no goals, and nearly being beaten in the closing minutes, on another day Eze would've slotted that chance away.
FC Twente may give us another false dawn, a better test is going to be Spurs and Villa, we cannot afford any more draws in our opening games, and no I'm not talking about the gap to City / Liverpool, I'm talking about draws meaning we are mid table club.

Zumbi · Monday at 19:00

Offside said:
Do we need to fix that now though? I don’t think any of Zirkzee, Diallo, Garnacho and Hojlund are over the age of 21. In 2/3/4/5 years time they should be much more clinical. The way we have fixed it in the past is getting in an Ibra, Cavani, Lukaku etc. all which score goals to get us into the top 4 but very quickly become dead wood.

I’d rather have a couple of years outside the top 4 to let a proper team develop. Yesterday the young players and new signings (all of which are of a decent age profile) looked great. We need to get out of the top 4 cycle and build a team for a couple of years time when City may tail off. Arsenal and Liverpool who have challenged in recent years did the same thing, both spent considerable years without getting the results to even finish top 6.

The issues in our team will persist for a while whilst we get over 10 years of mismanagement and change the recruitment strategy to focus on long term rebuilding.

Why is finishing top four and allowing those young players to develop mutually exclusive?

Being out of the top four cycle hurts our finances and our reinvestment into the squad badly. We cannot rely on other teams falling off or other teams treading water in the mean time. This sort of attitude will get us left behind.

Villa finished fourth under Emery last year. If Ten Hag is truly the right man to take us back to glory, it should not be beyond him to make 4th place in the PL with this squad.

Matt Varnish · Monday at 19:11

Zumbi said:
Why is finishing top four and allowing those young players to develop mutually exclusive?

Being out of the top four cycle hurts our finances and our reinvestment into the squad badly. We cannot rely on other teams falling off or other teams treading water in the mean time. This sort of attitude will get us left behind.

Villa finished fourth under Emery last year. If Ten Hag is truly the right man to take us back to glory, it should not be beyond him to make 4th place in the PL with this squad.

Given the money spent on his behalf by the two different boards, top four should be a given, is the top spot we should be challenging for as soon as the gates are opened, but we are not.
Put it down to what you like, but the buck stops on ETH's desk, from what I see he is a man without a clue.

Zumbi · Monday at 19:16

Matt Varnish said:
Given the money spent on his behalf by the two different boards, top four should be a given, is the top spot we should be challenging for as soon as the gates are opened, but we are not.
Put it down to what you like, but the buck stops on ETH's desk, from what I see he is a man without a clue.

Agreed. I don’t think it’s just a case of rebuilding - it’s an easy excuse to let standards slip. I think him and his system have been shown to have tactical limitations that prevent his team from gaining league points consistently enough in the PL environment, and that his ceiling is not as high as ours as a club’s is.

Still ill · Monday at 21:24

Matt Varnish said:
Any resepctable United fan would ignore the Barnsley result, we shouldn't need to get out of first gear to beat them.
Southampton hadn't scored a goal when we played them, and missed a penalty, that could have turned the game for them, I'd argue about us dominating that game for 90mins.
Palace was back to normal, 6 mins of domination, no goals, and nearly being beaten in the closing minutes, on another day Eze would've slotted that chance away.
FC Twente may give us another false dawn, a better test is going to be Spurs and Villa, we cannot afford any more draws in our opening games, and no I'm not talking about the gap to City / Liverpool, I'm talking about draws meaning we are mid table club.

Oof. That's me outed as a non respectable United fan. I'll leave you to your miserablist world view, Matt. Football can't be much craic for you. 40 odd years of watching them, I'll take the bright spots where I can find them at the moment.

Matt Varnish · Monday at 22:10

Still ill said:
Oof. That's me outed as a non respectable United fan. I'll leave you to your miserablist world view, Matt. Football can't be much craic for you. 40 odd years of watching them, I'll take the bright spots where I can find them at the moment.

I'm just a realist, I went through 26 years of mediocre football, and a season of relegation, the same mistaakes are being made, a revolving managerial door, spending millions on players, ETH is not the revolution wwe need.
We need a leader on and off the pitch, we don't have it,

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