Burnley 0:0 Manchester United

santeria13 · Aug 27, 2014

What I'd like to see:4-4-2 Diamond
-------------De Gea-------------
Rafael----Jones-Rojo------Blackett-
-----------Fellaini---------------
--------Herrera--Di Maria------
-------------Mata----------
------Januzaj----RVP--------

What we will probably see(unfortunately): - 3-5-2

------------De Gea-----------
---Jones----Smalling---Rojo---
Valencia-------------------------Young-
----------Herrera---Di Maria------
---------------Mata------------
---------RVP-----Rooney

Reason for my original line up :Let's face it, Fellaini is a better player than both the current Fletcher and Cleverley. He's not mobile enough to play in the 3-5-2 midfield imo but He is capable of maybe being a defensive shield. His defensive stats aren't actually half bad compared to the rest of our midfield(Herrera is the best but Carrick is only just in front in that regard), and with Herrera in front of him I think it would make for a solid midfield, more than any other option anyway( I see the Herrera/Di Maria partnership in a 3-5-2 maybe leaving us a little too exposed defensively). I think Di Maria will also be very effective there with Herrera remaining slightly deeper and with Fellaini behind them. Also I would like to see Januzaj play next to RVP for this game as I've said before I'm not a fan of the RVP/Rooney partnership. There is also the problem of a lack of width but with Januzaj and Di Maria in the line up, they are certainly capable of stretching out the defence. Dropping Rooney would also mean we could play a 4-3-3 with the same players, but I think Di Maria is more effective as a midfielder, and would add that much needed energy alongside Herrera.

Reason for 2nd line up: I don't see LVG dropping the 3-5-2 just yet.It seems Valencia is first choice for RWB over Rafael. Hasn't he been fit for the past two games? I also see him sticking with the RVP/Rooney partnership. But, I don't see him starting Evans after the performance he put in vs MK Dons. Also, I don't see where else Di Maria can fit into the 3-5-2 other than the midfield without dropping either RVP , mata or Rooney, which I doubt will happen, at least not yet.

432JuanMata · Aug 27, 2014

Di Maria and Rojo debut ?

Twigg · Aug 27, 2014

Would like to see a back four rather than five, and Rojo and Smalling have to start there for me, they can't be any worse than our other options as of late. Hopefully Rafael and Shaw will be fit too, but I'm not too clued up on the injury situation currently. Will Herrera be fit for this? We need a forward thinking midfielder on the pitch, someone who actually passes the ball forward rather than just sidewards and backwards, and attempts through balls etc., Mata does that, granted, but I'm talking from deep midfield rather than in the hole.

Personally I doubt Di Maria will start but I hope he does and if not I would love it if he made his debut in the second half. Not really sure on the formation though... maybe we should revert back to the 4-4-2, something our players are accustom to, rather than go straight to the 4-3-3.

De Gea
Rafael? - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw?
Valencia - Herrera? - Fletcher - Januzaj
Mata/Rooney
van Persie/Rooney

I would love to see Di Maria on instead of Valencia but I really doubt it'll happen.

Gannicus · Aug 27, 2014

I'd like to see the 352 experiment end, the sooner the better. Go with a back four and pray that our talent alone will destroy the shit out of Burnley.

Meanwhile, Eddie and Louis have to bring in a proper central midfielder. That's far more important than the result against Burn fukking ley!

bosnian_red · Aug 27, 2014

Twigg said:
Would like to see a back four rather than five, and Rojo and Smalling have to start there for me, they can't be any worse than our other options as of late. Hopefully Rafael and Shaw will be fit too, but I'm not too clued up on the injury situation currently. Will Herrera be fit for this? We need a forward thinking midfielder on the pitch, someone who actually passes the ball forward rather than just sidewards and backwards, and attempts through balls etc., Mata does that, granted, but I'm talking from deep midfield rather than in the hole.

Personally I doubt Di Maria will start but I hope he does and if not I would love it if he made his debut in the second half. Not really sure on the formation though... maybe we should revert back to the 4-4-2, something our players are accustom to, rather than go straight to the 4-3-3.

De Gea
Rafael? - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw?
Valencia - Herrera? - Fletcher - Januzaj
Mata/Rooney
van Persie/Rooney

I would love to see Di Maria on instead of Valencia but I really doubt it'll happen.

Smalling is injured probably, as he came off vs Sunderland injured, and shaw is still out until probably the QPR game most likely. Rafael may be injured as well, as he was out for this game. Not completely sure though.
I'd say we probably have to pick a back 4 of jones, Evans, Blackett and rojo. Which if they all perform can be solid, though that's unlikely.

Twigg · Aug 27, 2014

bosnian_red said:
Smalling is injured probably, as he came off vs Sunderland injured, and shaw is still out until probably the QPR game most likely. Rafael may be injured as well, as he was out for this game. Not completely sure though.
I'd say we probably have to pick a back 4 of jones, Evans, Blackett and rojo. Which if they all perform can be solid, though that's unlikely.

You've just sh*t all over my hopes for this game

Also, what about Herrera, any word on his fitness?

bosnian_red · Aug 27, 2014

Twigg said:
You've just sh*t all over my hopes for this game

Also, what about Herrera, any word on his fitness?

Sorry

And he started light training the other day apparently, so probably 50/50. We need him to stand a chance though.
Basically, it can go 2 ways. We can end up with them all being injured and being too soon for di Maria and seeing a similar side to Sunderland, or Rafael, Herrera, rojo, di Maria will all be ready and we'll put out a very strong side.

432JuanMata · Aug 27, 2014

Twigg said:
You've just sh*t all over my hopes for this game

Also, what about Herrera, any word on his fitness?

Herrera has trained this week he should be back

Twigg · Aug 27, 2014

bosnian_red said:
Sorry
And he started light training the other day apparently, so probably 50/50. We need him to stand a chance though.
Basically, it can go 2 ways. We can end up with them all being injured and being too soon for di Maria and seeing a similar side to Sunderland, or Rafael, Herrera, rojo, di Maria will all be ready and we'll put out a very strong side.

432JuanMata said:
Herrera has trained this week he should be back

Thanks.

Red Matador · Aug 27, 2014

Can you lose the title in August?! I feel that if we lose this game, many supporters, including I, would feel that way! This is a must win - need a positive reaction. We cannot drop so many points against lower clubs, teams do not win titles doing so.

432JuanMata · Aug 27, 2014

bosnian_red said:
Sorry
And he started light training the other day apparently, so probably 50/50. We need him to stand a chance though.
Basically, it can go 2 ways. We can end up with them all being injured and being too soon for di Maria and seeing a similar side to Sunderland, or Rafael, Herrera, rojo, di Maria will all be ready and we'll put out a very strong side.

Don't say something like that I can't watch anymore of Cleverley-Fletcher it actually hurts my brain lets hope there all ready

fallengt · Aug 27, 2014

We need our mojo back. I don't care if ADM's ready, he should start. Unfit ADM still mile better than our current MFs/wingers

bosnian_red · Aug 27, 2014

Red Matador said:
Can you lose the title in August?! I feel that if we lose this game, many supporters, including I, would feel that way! This is a must win - need a positive reaction. We cannot drop so many points against lower clubs, teams do not win titles doing so.

We're not winning the title this year, no matter who we sign. Even if we bought Vidal and Hummels, we need time to get them gelling together and get the consistency and adapt under the new manager. Chelsea on the other hand added a few quality players to a settled team with an equally top manager. There's just no way for us to win the league this year.

revel911 · Aug 27, 2014

Who is back from injury?

What players are available from buys?

burmeseRed · Aug 27, 2014

Burnley lost all opening 3 matches(2 at home)and hopefully herrera should be back while van persie should be sharper and di maria will lift the team.we might turn things round there and we will beat them any way.
3-1 to united

NK86 · Aug 27, 2014

venky27 said:
...........DDG...........

Blackett...Jones..Smalling..Rafael

Young..Fletcher..Mata

Rooney..RVP..Di Maria

Will this work?

Young and Fletch in midfield? No fkng way do I want Young anywhere near our club, let alone the starting lineup and Fletch is just not good enough at this level anymore.

Ham · Aug 27, 2014

What i hope we'll see :

-------------De Gea-------------
Rafael----Jones-Rojo------Shaw-
------------Fellaini/Fletch-------
---Herrera------------Di Maria--
-------------Mata---------------
------Rooney----RVP------------

What i expect is 3-5-2 which i don't rate so doesnt matter really

Andre Kagawa · Aug 27, 2014

Fecking hope Herrera is back and Di Maria bringing some much needed energy and swagger to our play.

5-0 Burnley

vibe · Aug 27, 2014

It just seems so straightforward. Maybe swap Januzaj with Rooney and put RvP as a striker, though I'm not so sure how Rooney would do at LWF. This team would walk all over Burnley. Which should be a given even if we field our B team, but MK Dons...

Right now, we should avoid thinking about the long term and how fecked we are against any major team and instead focus on this match. We need to field our strongest 11 and play like we're playing Bayern. We need to absolutely smash Burnley to get our confidence back.

J.T · Aug 27, 2014

vibe said:
It just seems so straightforward. Maybe swap Januzaj with Rooney and put RvP as a striker, though I'm not so sure how Rooney would do at LWF. This team would walk all over Burnley. Which should be a given even if we field our B team, but MK Dons...

Right now, we should avoid thinking about the long term and how fecked we are against any major team and instead focus on this match. We need to field our strongest 11 and play like we're playing Bayern. We need to absolutely smash Burnley to get our confidence back.

Anything will do but please for the love of God NO MORE Tom Xavirley who plays like he is on FIFA 14 with the constant crossfield lob ball without even looking ...

Desperately need herrera to be back here

Korrupter · Aug 27, 2014

I honestly shudder to think how this game will turn out after watching how the game against MK dons went. *must keep rage in control*

GRon · Aug 27, 2014

100 said:
Hernandez - Welbeck
Kagawa
Powell - Anderson
James-------------------------Janko
Vermijl Evans Keane
DDG

4-0 to us

So you are a Burnley supporter, right?

GRon · Aug 27, 2014

eltel74 said:
Gota get a couple quality defensive players in so they can play at Burnley. City proved in buying fernando there is quality out there without breaking the bank.

Imo our midfield is worse than the defence they give zero protection and give nothing creative.

This week is one of the biggest in our clubs history

Our midfield does not exist for all practical purposes.

RDCR07 · Aug 27, 2014

As much as we need Herrera don't want him rushed back for this one. Could make things worse. And we have no choice but to play Fletcher for the time being.

RVP-----Rooney

Mata

Di-Maria-----Fletcher

James------------------------Valencia

Rojo-----Evans-----Jones

De Gea

GRon · Aug 27, 2014

santeria13 said:
Let's face it, Fellaini is a better player than both the current Fletcher and Cleverley. He's not mobile enough to play in the 3-5-2 midfield imo but He is capable of maybe being a defensive shield. His defensive stats aren't actually half bad compared to the rest of our midfield

Fellaini's first touch is so bad that there is no way he can play as a defensive midfielder. He is in no way better than either Fletch or Clev in that position.

RDCR07 · Aug 27, 2014

Also with Smalling who might also be out, I just hope LVG would want to try the 4-3-3 this weekend.

RVP

Rooney-----Mata-----Di Maria

Herrera-----Fletcher

Rojo-----Evans-----Blackett-----Jones

De Gea

GRon · Aug 27, 2014

RDCR07 said:
Also with Smalling who might also be out, I just hope LVG would want to try the 4-3-3 this weekend.

RVP

Rooney-----Mata-----Di Maria

Herrera-----Fletcher

Rojo-----Evans-----Blackett-----Jones

De Gea

I would put Januzaj (or even Welbeck) instead of one of Rooney/RvP. Neither of them is effective in a wide role.

Andre Kagawa · Aug 27, 2014

When is Rafael and Shaw due to be back? Why can't we never play real damn fullbacks in the FB positions? We'll finally be able to field a new CB, at left back...

kouroux · Aug 27, 2014

Red Matador said:
Can you lose the title in August?! I feel that if we lose this game, many supporters, including I, would feel that way! This is a must win - need a positive reaction. We cannot drop so many points against lower clubs, teams do not win titles doing so.

One must have been really deluded to think we had a shot to winning the title in the first place.

Ferguson · Aug 27, 2014

KiD MoYeS said:
Would like to see...

de Gea
Jones Smalling Rojo
Valencia Fletcher di Maria Young
Mata
van Persie Rooney
I think maybe we'll win.

This is it.

Herrera for Fletcher if he's fit as Fletcher looks like damaged goods right now.

RoadTrip · Aug 27, 2014

I am actually in fear of what this game may hold for us.

J.T · Aug 27, 2014

rpitroda said:
I am actually in fear of what this game may hold for us.

Dont know why I still have faith in LVG. maybe because he is a proven manager.

Dont forget, with that pile of rubbish he managed to have a successful pre-season. He made Young played like sanchez and fletcher like flercherinho.

The same squad that got beat by the likes of Singapore XI or J League team from Moyes era.

give him some more time till all he new signings come back and we will start to have result !!!!

BELIEVE !!!!!!!!

(PS and pray hard its not fletcherinho + tom xavirley pairing for burnley otherwise we will see another defeat)

RoadTrip · Aug 27, 2014

J.T said:
Dont know why I still have faith in LVG. maybe because he is a proven manager.

Dont forget, with that pile of rubbish he managed to have a successful pre-season. He made Young played like sanchez and fletcher like flercherinho.

The same squad that got beat by the likes of Singapore XI or J League team from Moyes era.

give him some more time till all he new signings come back and we will start to have result !!!!

BELIEVE !!!!!!!!

(PS and pray hard its not fletcherinho + tom xavirley pairing for burnley otherwise we will see another defeat)

Pre season only goes to show me how big of a problem we are in. It's all in the mind. Yes our squad isn't great but it isn't as bad as it's performing either and it's down to the mental side. When games don't matter they play freely and a la pre season can actually play some decent stuff. Add a bit of pressure and they are all fecked to the bone. That's what LVG needs to fix. I have faith in the long term but the short term is concerning.

Oh and this 3-5-2 is fecking hideous.

Dargonk · Aug 27, 2014

We badly need a win, just to get heads back up. I really hope we can perform well, I'd even take a scrappy win right now.

Red Matador · Aug 27, 2014

bosnian_red said:
We're not winning the title this year, no matter who we sign. Even if we bought Vidal and Hummels, we need time to get them gelling together and get the consistency and adapt under the new manager. Chelsea on the other hand added a few quality players to a settled team with an equally top manager. There's just no way for us to win the league this year.

kouroux said:
One must have been really deluded to think we had a shot to winning the title in the first place.

Its more on the lines of - if we are so far off winning the title and cannot even beat Burnley, we're probably going to miss out on top four as well.

MileHighRed · Aug 27, 2014

De Gea
Jones, Evans, Blackett
Valencia,Herrera,Di Maria,Rojo
Mata
Rooney,RVP

vibe · Aug 27, 2014

Dargonk said:
We badly need a win, just to get heads back up. I really hope we can perform well, I'd even take a scrappy win right now.

Doubt you'll get anything but. I don't see us winning by a margin of more than 1 goal against... anyone, really.

Dargonk · Aug 27, 2014

vibe said:
Doubt you'll get anything but. I don't see us winning by a margin of more than 1 goal against... anyone, really.

yeh, I'm expecting a rather poor game. ADM will hopefully play and provide us some hope.

holyland red · Aug 27, 2014

3-5-2 and we drop points again.

vibe · Aug 27, 2014

holyland red said:
3-5-2 and we drop points again.

3-5-2 and I wouldn't put a battle to survive relegation past the realm of possibility. LvG knows this.

We won't be seeing a 3-5-2 again, trust me.

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