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ufc 110 picks
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Cain Velasquez
Wanderlei Silva vs. Michael Bisping
Joe Stevenson vs. George Sotiropoulos
Keith Jardine vs. Ryan Bader
Mirko Filipović vs. Ben Rothwell

noguera and valasquez could go either way but if nig is not 100% fit its going to be touch as cain keeps us such a high tempo...
bisping vs wand is a tough one to call and i know wand is favourite with the bookies but im not sure how the weight cut will affect him... he is such a high tempo fighter that a huge cut the day before and i could see bisping winning... (I got 19/10 on bisping a few days ago... not a bad bet as i thik its a lot more even than that)
 
Wanderlei vs Bisping is going to be a real knock em sock em war! Both men just love to bang! Some of the other fighters on that card aren't my cup of team though. Joe Daddy's ok, Jardine...meh, his style is way too awkward for me. Mirko might be past it (hopefully not though).
 
yeahdana confirmed he will fight the winner of belfort silva in the post fight conference...

oh and tiago silva didnt fight on this card... he lost to evans with a pretty lack luster performance last month... do you mean paulo thiago...because yeah he looked good again

You're right. Paulo, not Tiago. Too many damn Silva's in UFC, I forgot which one I was talking about. He looks a proper soldier that one. Cool as ice during most of the fight and even afterwords he just looked like he could do it all over again. Not sure if he's at the level of Belfort or Silva yet but it should make for a really interesting fight.
 
You're right. Paulo, not Tiago. Too many damn Silva's in UFC, I forgot which one I was talking about. He looks a proper soldier that one. Cool as ice during most of the fight and even afterwords he just looked like he could do it all over again. Not sure if he's at the level of Belfort or Silva yet but it should make for a really interesting fight.

hes a welterweight (170lbs)... anderson silva and belfort are middle weights (185lbs)...who can both fight at lhw (205lbs) as well... tiago silva is a lhw

as for paulo thiago, he is one of the elite cops in brazil who ttakes guns off drug lords... i imagin the cage is not as scary for him as going back to work on monday morning...

he has started to train like a full time fighter now though rather than part time and its showing in his improvement... his striking is a lot tighter and he looks stronger and his conditioning is gettng better... a couple of fights from a title shot potentially id say
 
Apparently he said "I'll kill you motherfecker" which triggered Coleman's reaction. My source is off the sherdog forums so....

I fecking hate tito. Can't wait for Chuck to kick his ass and tito's excuses come flying out again.

Tito is a dick. He only calls out fighters who are out of their prime. Why doesn't he call out Shogun or Machida? Some fecking chance...
 
hes a welterweight (170lbs)... anderson silva and belfort are middle weights (185lbs)...who can both fight at lhw (205lbs) as well... tiago silva is a lhw

as for paulo thiago, he is one of the elite cops in brazil who ttakes guns off drug lords... i imagin the cage is not as scary for him as going back to work on monday morning...

he has started to train like a full time fighter now though rather than part time and its showing in his improvement... his striking is a lot tighter and he looks stronger and his conditioning is gettng better... a couple of fights from a title shot potentially id say

I know. He's a member of BOPE (Batalhão de Operações Policiais Especiais)

If any of you watch foreign films, check out "Tropa de Elite". It's about a member of BOPE, the style is similar to City of God.
 
:lol:

True. Even my prediction of falling asleep for the Couture v Coleman was wrong. It was the only fight I stayed awake for all of.

haha. So not only did you get the predictions wrong, but you ended up watching the worst match. Just not your weekend was it. The best fights of the night all took place before the main event.
 
haha. So not only did you get the predictions wrong, but you ended up watching the worst match. Just not your weekend was it. The best fights of the night all took place before the main event.

Had it recording just in case. It was decent enough.
 
Randy is a legend, because the UFC didn't have anyone else to give title fights to for nearly a decade.

He is 18-10. There is nothing legendary about the guy, other than the fact the UFC has given him about 15 title shots.

Randy is the quintessential journeyman and the ultimate opportunist, coming out of retirement to fight a Tim Sylvia he knew had a herniated disc etc. He translated fan popularity into title fights he did not deserve based on skill. Often times he was given title fights because there was nobody else to give the fight to. So he has won a bunch of belts, which he promptly lost.

Randy is one of the most popular, yet overrated fighters in the history of MMA.
 
Randy is a legend, because the UFC didn't have anyone else to give title fights to for nearly a decade.

He is 18-10. There is nothing legendary about the guy, other than the fact the UFC has given him about 15 title shots.

Randy is the quintessential journeyman and the ultimate opportunist, coming out of retirement to fight a Tim Sylvia he knew had a herniated disc etc. He translated fan popularity into title fights he did not deserve based on skill. Often times he was given title fights because there was nobody else to give the fight to. So he has won a bunch of belts, which he promptly lost.

Randy is one of the most popular, yet overrated fighters in the history of MMA.

Everyone knows he's not in the same league as fedor but the mixture of his age, the whole captain america thing and the way he carry's out his game plans make him inspirational to fans. He is a legend for those reasons but he also has a pretty impressive list of names that he has beaten
 
Everyone knows he's not in the same league as fedor but the mixture of his age, the whole captain america thing and the way he carry's out his game plans make him inspirational to fans. He is a legend for those reasons but he also has a pretty impressive list of names that he has beaten

It isn't just that, Randy isn't in the same league as a score of heavy weights. He isn't in the top 2, never has been, let alone the top 5 even during the early part of this decade when the HW division was a wasteland devoid of real talent outside the top 3 or 4.

Randy in my opinion has two big wins. Vitor and Chuck, and I hold a similar opinion about Chuck as I do Randy.

Chuck was fed wrestlers who were not very good at wrestling which also had the misfortune of not being able to strike. Chuck was to the UFC, as Mike Tyson was to boxing. A machine almost entirely of hype, based on hand picked opponents and a carefully cultivated image.

Don't take this the wrong way here, Chuck in his prime was in the top 5, but for me he never was able to answer the quintessential question about his capability. How does he do against technical strikers? Well the answer is there for everyone to see, he lost, against against all of them but Ubereem.

The fact that Chuck lost a fight to Randy, for me says more about Chuck than it does about Randy. Randy had very basic boxing going into that first right and he simply beat Chuck to the punch time and time again.

Randy Couture has AWFUL boxing. He has AWFUL striking. All he displayed was the ability of a limited boxer throwing short straight punches to beat a sloppy looping brawler.

The fact Randy has been given so many shots, and looks to get another one now is for me the most troubling thing about the UFC. The UFC rewards personality and popularity rather than actual skill. The most deserving guys will often NOT get title shots because they are not popular with the mouth breathers.
 
It isn't just that, Randy isn't in the same league as a score of heavy weights. He isn't in the top 2, never has been, let alone the top 5 even during the early part of this decade when the HW division was a wasteland devoid of real talent outside the top 3 or 4.

Randy in my opinion has two big wins. Vitor and Chuck, and I hold a similar opinion about Chuck as I do Randy.

Chuck was fed wrestlers who were not very good at wrestling which also had the misfortune of not being able to strike. Chuck was to the UFC, as Mike Tyson was to boxing. A machine almost entirely of hype, based on hand picked opponents and a carefully cultivated image.

Don't take this the wrong way here, Chuck in his prime was in the top 5, but for me he never was able to answer the quintessential question about his capability. How does he do against technical strikers? Well the answer is there for everyone to see, he lost, against against all of them but Ubereem.

The fact that Chuck lost a fight to Randy, for me says more about Chuck than it does about Randy. Randy had very basic boxing going into that first right and he simply beat Chuck to the punch time and time again.

Randy Couture has AWFUL boxing. He has AWFUL striking. All he displayed was the ability of a limited boxer throwing short straight punches to beat a sloppy looping brawler.

The fact Randy has been given so many shots, and looks to get another one now is for me the most troubling thing about the UFC. The UFC rewards personality and popularity rather than actual skill. The most deserving guys will often NOT get title shots because they are not popular with the mouth breathers.

ive said myself that i dont think randy deservs a shot... hover if you look at the other divisons the best fighters are getting ths title shots...

penn is the best lw and is cleaning out the division 1 by 1... i cant think of a top 155lbs fighter who has deserved a shot and not got one...

gsp is similar at ww... i think daley will deserve a shot when he puts kos down and he looks in line to get it

mw... well form an orderly queue and silva will dispach you in turn... sonnen has urned his shot... belforts talent justifys it... franklin has run of to lwh because he knows he cant live with anderson...

lhw... as i have said before i think there are a lot of people who deserve a title shot more.... lil ***, jackson, evans, even silva... but the top 2 contenders ae fighting next

hw... with broock out of the picture it looks like mir vs carwin and big *** vs valasquez are basically going to have their own mini grand prix with the prize being lined up as brocks next hammerfist target... so again all the top fighters seem to be getting a shot...

I totally disagree with couture getting a shot but I dont think its a problem throughout the ufc... its just that randy sells ppv and they are a business...

on the plus side though i think randy could get smashed against a top contender and it would signal his final retirement... or certainly his last main event / co main event fight...

interestingly you could argue the best fight for all the champions lies outside of the ufc with
lw aoki
ww shields (though he is fighting at mw he has said himself he is open to fight at ww again)
mw henderson
lhw mousassi
hw fedor
 
ive said myself that i dont think randy deservs a shot... hover if you look at the other divisons the best fighters are getting ths title shots...

penn is the best lw and is cleaning out the division 1 by 1... i cant think of a top 155lbs fighter who has deserved a shot and not got one...

gsp is similar at ww... i think daley will deserve a shot when he puts kos down and he looks in line to get it

mw... well form an orderly queue and silva will dispach you in turn... sonnen has urned his shot... belforts talent justifys it... franklin has run of to lwh because he knows he cant live with anderson...

lhw... as i have said before i think there are a lot of people who deserve a title shot more.... lil ***, jackson, evans, even silva... but the top 2 contenders ae fighting next

hw... with broock out of the picture it looks like mir vs carwin and big *** vs valasquez are basically going to have their own mini grand prix with the prize being lined up as brocks next hammerfist target... so again all the top fighters seem to be getting a shot...

I totally disagree with couture getting a shot but I dont think its a problem throughout the ufc... its just that randy sells ppv and they are a business...

on the plus side though i think randy could get smashed against a top contender and it would signal his final retirement... or certainly his last main event / co main event fight...

interestingly you could argue the best fight for all the champions lies outside of the ufc with
lw aoki
ww shields (though he is fighting at mw he has said himself he is open to fight at ww again)
mw henderson
lhw mousassi
hw fedor

I would only argue for Fedor at this point, and until I see more of Brock I would not be willing into that argument at this point. I don't think Brock is a better fighter than Fedor, not even close. Brock however is so gi-fecking-gantic that for all we know he could take Fedor down, smother him like he did Murr and wave his big meaty fists at him for 5 rounds and win via GnP.

I would also suggest that Randy being the only case of an undeserving fighter getting a title shot is not the case. Machida was over looked for probably a year when he clearly deserved a shot.

This happens in the UFC when you have a skilled fighters who are not popular. Fitch was only given his shot because there was essentially nobody else left. The same for Machida. You will see this with fighters who are more deserving based on record and competition, but are unpopular.

The problem doesn't always occur, GSP, BJ, Brock are all huge stars, the problem doesn't tend to rest with champions, it has to do with contenders.

The UFC has taken the shot gun attitude with Randy. Throw enough shit at the wall, eventually something sticks. Give Randy enough title shots and eventually he wins one.

Brock Lesnar is another example. The guy did not deserve his shot. He STILL doesn't deserve a shot. He has nothing on his resume to indicate he is more deserving that Dos Santos, Carwin, Velasquez etc. He has done less, yet he was given a title shot almost instantly because he was marketable.

There is no denying that if tomorrow Reggie Bush decided to take up MMA, and fought at 205 and won his first fight against a can, won his second fight against an "ok" fighter and the LHW division was in a state of flux he would get a shot almost immediately JUST to sell PPV's.
 
id for sure say aoki vs penn is the best fight that could be put on at lw...
gsp has said himself that shields would be the toughest test at ww (13 straight wins... undefeted since 2004 but id much sooner see paul daley vs gsp as it would probably be more exciting

as for fedor vs lesnar... i dunno he can fight like a motherfecker off his back and to take him down you have to move through overhand right range... thats a dangerous place to move through...

as for macheda getting a shot... well as soon as he started finishing fights he got his shot... prior to his ko of silva he had a sub against sokojou and the only time he finished a fight before that was in 2003... he didnt even finish penn with a 35lbs weight advantage...

as for lesnar... well that division is so starved of top competitors (especially when mir was injured for so long) that i think that contributed as much as anything else to getting him his shot... but yeah he was lucky to get the shot when he did... however who is gonna take the title off him if he comes back fully fit? so on the other hand you can argue he deserved his shot because he would be odds on favourite against any fighter in the ufc
 
id for sure say aoki vs penn is the best fight that could be put on at lw...
gsp has said himself that shields would be the toughest test at ww (13 straight wins... undefeted since 2004 but id much sooner see paul daley vs gsp as it would probably be more exciting

as for fedor vs lesnar... i dunno he can fight like a motherfecker off his back and to take him down you have to move through overhand right range... thats a dangerous place to move through...

as for macheda getting a shot... well as soon as he started finishing fights he got his shot... prior to his ko of silva he had a sub against sokojou and the only time he finished a fight before that was in 2003... he didnt even finish penn with a 35lbs weight advantage...

as for lesnar... well that division is so starved of top competitors (especially when mir was injured for so long) that i think that contributed as much as anything else to getting him his shot... but yeah he was lucky to get the shot when he did... however who is gonna take the title off him if he comes back fully fit? so on the other hand you can argue he deserved his shot because he would be odds on favourite against any fighter in the ufc

That point was valid when he got his chance. But the division has improved since then, and on a good day I reckon Mir and *** could take Lesnar
 
That point was valid when he got his chance. But the division has improved since then, and on a good day I reckon Mir and *** could take Lesnar

true... but a fully fit lesnar could take them as well...
mir is looking in better shape in his last couple of fights...
dos santos is somebody i thik loks very good as well
 
true... but a fully fit lesnar could take them as well...
mir is looking in better shape in his last couple of fights...
dos santos is somebody i thik loks very good as well

He could dominate the division undoubtedly, but that's mostly due to his mass. He's not the best fighter by any stretch of the imagination. Haven't seen much of Dos Santos so I can't comment on him.
 
shame... perhaps they will put silva vs sonnen on the abu dabi card instead

or not... sonnen has a 30 day no contact rule from the medics...

so they have gone for Silva-Maia Set for UFC 112
yup silva ws maia... ffs they know what happened last time silva fought a bjj guy... they had a terrible fight with laites layng on his back because he was too scared to stand up... any body else see a repeat coming up here...

i think a better fight would have been to offer rashad a shot at the mw title as he could easily make the cut and at he can hit and grapple...

silva is so well rounded he knows he kills maia anywhere other than grappling (where he can still give a god account of himself)... ffs sack jo silva... get a monkey with a dartboard... stilck some pictures on it and see where it throws the darts... you woul probably get better fights...

the only potential + point is maybee a belfort vs nate the great fight... 2 very well rounded fighters and that would be a fantastic fight to see for who the next contender might be as i think its pretty certain that sonnen will be after maia
 
Well, it makes a certain amount of sense. Maia did lose the fight before his last, to a guy who got beat up in the same event Maia fought in now. But in Maia's fight before that, he beat the guy beating up the guy who beat up Maia.

Who knows. Personally, I'm fairly confident Silva will knock Maia out. But if it goes to the ground, all bets are off. Silva is a black belt, but Maia is in another league.
 
Well, it makes a certain amount of sense. Maia did lose the fight before his last, to a guy who got beat up in the same event Maia fought in now. But in Maia's fight before that, he beat the guy beating up the guy who beat up Maia.

Who knows. Personally, I'm fairly confident Silva will knock Maia out. But if it goes to the ground, all bets are off. Silva is a black belt, but Maia is in another league.

true... but watch the laites fight... he couldnt take silva down... just as i dont think maia can...

and when they stood at striking range he would just fall down and pull guard...

there must have been about 1/2 the fight with him on his back and silva just telling him to get up... terrible to watch and i expect more of the same...
 
Yeah.

"Paybacks are a motherfecker!" (or something to that effect)

Apparently, there was some bad blood between Tito and Coleman over some remarks made by Coleman's manager regarding Tito and his wife, ex pornstar Jenna Jameson. Tito was scheduled to fight Coleman in Nov, but Coleman pulled out due to injury. Tito being Tito couldn't resist and called Coleman a 'sissy'. This naturally upset Colemans camp and his manager said the following about Tito (via twitter):

“The only thing Coleman is afraid of when it comes to Tito is contracting swine flu from that dirty ass douchebag. We all know where he lays his head down at night. Tito wants to get personal with a legend? OK, let's get personal - we can all go to our porn collections and watch what Tito sleeps with night after night.”

:lol: Pretty good comeback that, but it lead to Tito waiting in the tall grass for Colemans poor showing against Randy before sticking it to the hammer as the fight ended.

A bit of UFC handbags to be honest but it did make for an entertaining end to an otherwise dull card. Tito's always had a big mouth, but he'd do well to remember that people who live with pornstars in glass houses shouldn't cast the first stone. You never know when a big, black, hammer sized dildo will come crashing through the window.

:lol:
 
Mark Coleman, Frank Trigg, Tim Hague, Phillipe Nover and Justin Buchholz

I thought the sonnen fight was good... it was a very impressive performance from an underdog

i dont think coleman is official yet though - DANA WHITE SAYS MARK COLEMAN IS PROBABLY DONE- MMA WEEKLY - Mixed Martial Arts & UFC News, Photos, Rankings & more but dana said he is probably finished

It was an impressive peformance but I thought it was a fairly dull fight.

Put it this way, if you'd recorded the whole show and watched that fight first, then someone told you it was the best fight on the whole card you wouldn't rush home to watch the rest!
 
It was an impressive peformance but I thought it was a fairly dull fight.

Put it this way, if you'd recorded the whole show and watched that fight first, then someone told you it was the best fight on the whole card you wouldn't rush home to watch the rest!

I dunno... as you know i train with some ufc fighters so for me event if its a purely technical exercise im usually facinated by watching even the less explosive encounters...

from an entertainment point if view though your right it wasnt the best... though i really enjoyed the thiago fight as well so for £10 a month I'm not complaining...
 
Surprised Coleman and Trigg got handed their pink slips, if true. Coleman Ortiz would undoubtedly be a money maker just because of who they are. It would be a terrible fight. Also, surely Trigg still has a bit to offer.
 
as for macheda getting a shot... well as soon as he started finishing fights he got his shot... prior to his ko of silva he had a sub against sokojou and the only time he finished a fight before that was in 2003... he didnt even finish penn with a 35lbs weight advantage...

If this is to be considered a legitimate sport, the guys who win fights have to get title shots. It doesn't matter if he is personally boring to a large percentage of the people watching.

Machida fought Penn in like his 4th fight ever. BJ is also an extremely durable guy. He finished Bonnar in his first ever pro-fight.

That isn't really even the point. Machida beat everyone badly and wasn't even considered for a title fight until the UFC ran out of guys to use.

That isn't what a legit sport does. It is what entertainment does. Is the UFC looking to take MMA towards sport, or sports entertainment?
 
If this is to be considered a legitimate sport, the guys who win fights have to get title shots. It doesn't matter if he is personally boring to a large percentage of the people watching.

Machida fought Penn in like his 4th fight ever. BJ is also an extremely durable guy. He finished Bonnar in his first ever pro-fight.

That isn't really even the point. Machida beat everyone badly and wasn't even considered for a title fight until the UFC ran out of guys to use.

That isn't what a legit sport does. It is what entertainment does. Is the UFC looking to take MMA towards sport, or sports entertainment?

Well I know they're looking to make it a sport, but there's a reason it's popularity is soaring, because of exciting fights. When Machida fights it's usually a case of him jogging backwards
 
Well I know they're looking to make it a sport, but there's a reason it's popularity is soaring, because of exciting fights. When Machida fights it's usually a case of him jogging backwards

Nah, that's not true. Macheda's last few fights (apart from his most recent one) were all amongst the best fights of the last couple of years.
 
Nah, that's not true. Macheda's last few fights (apart from his most recent one) were all amongst the best fights of the last couple of years.

Yes and the last one was boring because Rua figured him out, which is most likely goin to repeat the next time. And im sure other fighters are realizing that you don't rush at Machida
 
Yes and the last one was boring because Rua figured him out, which is most likely goin to repeat the next time. And im sure other fighters are realizing that you don't rush at Machida

any traditional martial atrs that favours in and out movement is often found out by latteral movements such as muay thai...

i mentioned this quite a while before macheda fought rua...

will be interesting to see how he responds in the next fight... the logical move would be to take it to the ground...
 
If this is to be considered a legitimate sport, the guys who win fights have to get title shots. It doesn't matter if he is personally boring to a large percentage of the people watching.

Machida fought Penn in like his 4th fight ever. BJ is also an extremely durable guy. He finished Bonnar in his first ever pro-fight.

That isn't really even the point. Machida beat everyone badly and wasn't even considered for a title fight until the UFC ran out of guys to use.

That isn't what a legit sport does. It is what entertainment does. Is the UFC looking to take MMA towards sport, or sports entertainment?

but decicion victories under the current system are a joke... that clearly needs to be changed before grinding out decicion after decicion counts...

rua won the last fight... ask any fighter
 
Well I know they're looking to make it a sport, but there's a reason it's popularity is soaring, because of exciting fights. When Machida fights it's usually a case of him jogging backwards

Machida doesn't jog away. If you actually think that, you clearly have no idea what is going on.

Machida is the consummate tactician in the ring. He uses distance to keep himself in HIS perfect range, or just outside yours. He makes you commit forward and then depending on his timing, he either puts you on your ass with a straight left, or he moves out of your attack and resets himself.

I suppose you prefer guys who block punches with their faces, 'just bleed' right?

As to Shogun/Machida. Shogun lost the first fight. He gave up the early rounds and didn't finish Machida. Both men will adapt, I think the biggest change will be in Shoguns game plan. He came out and caught Lyoto by surprise. Lyoto will be expecting Shogun to exchange body and leg kicks for shots to the head, which is what happened the first fight.

Lyoto will adapt to Shoguns kicks. What will Shogun have left? Whenever he was aggressive Lyoto punished him in the first fight.

I think this fight going to the ground very early is a likely possibility. The person who initiates this will tell us all we need to know about the intervening period. If Lyoto tries to take Shogun down, then Lyoto clearly is not comfortable in his adaptation to Shoguns first fight style. If Shogun takes Lyoto down, then Shogun isn't comfortable with his stand up and has no other tricks in the bag.

Lyoto however has proven to be incredibly difficult to take down thus far, for his distance management and his ability to scoot away from danger and his extremely underrated wrestling. He has throw men with impressive wrestling back grounds around. Shogun on the other hand has never really prove himself to be great at stuffing take downs.

My personal feeling on the rematch is Shogun shot his load in the first fight. He pulled out his counter and ultimately lost a very close decision. Machida has had, six or more months to break down what Shogun did and to devise a strategy against it.

Watching Machida fight in stand up, I think Shogun hit the nail exactly on the head. Be tentative and look to exchange leg and body work for Lyoto's straight left and a jab. The problem then for Shogun is that it is unlikely he has a stand up game plan that will be more successful, and it is unlikely he will be AS successful as he was last time.

If Shogun wins the next fight, I think it will be either one of two ways. He wins a predominately ground battle, or he simply catches Machida in an exchange. I don't see Shogun winning a decisive stand up battle in a comprehensive manner.