Me too. Get the feeling they'll be found innocent of most charges but there'll be a big fallout from this!
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
Beginning of a very quick end for the PL as we know it
Exactly - their spending had zero consequences, they could bulk buy and see who worked out and who didn't. It also had the advantage of making sure those players couldn't be signed by rivals, and the ones that dis work out couldn't be tempted away by another club who would pay more.
The fallout will be huge no matter what. If a precedent was set by deducting Everton and Forest points, which could have cost them with relegation had things gone worse for them that season, then it's going to be very weird if City are found totally innocent of ALL charges. The talk of sky sports pundits being told to watch what they say and the inevitable crowing from City and their supporters if they're declared innocent is going to be a very strange watch.
We play them at OT on April 6th too, and the verdict should be in before then .
Yeah, a matter of days in it, but bad example. Looking at their transfers for the first 5-6 years of the ADUG ownership, there are very few signings that fit the same model, so that renders my point moot. It was all chucking money at the wall, taking star players from abroad/up and coming high performers from competitive English clubs and seeing what stuck while simultaneously having the benefit of eroding the quality of other PL teams.
Surely not on the weekend, with the stock exhange closed and all
Feels that way. I heard someone make a good point, which was that we should take whatever we hear first with a grain of salt. It’ll just be city trying to spin the news favourably, which the PL won’t engage in.
Vaguely recall they made inquiries on Berbatov that summer and if not for United perhaps he's off to City.
On deadline day they went after everyone.
Every five minutes there was a new "Manchester City have put a bid in for..." alert popping up, which is what made them ending up with only Robinho quite funny.
The rumour I heard with Berbatov was that he left London to sign for City, then while travelling we agreed a deal so he came to us instead.
I’d be shocked if things don’t leak over the international break alright…
They can't be found totally innocent, as they haven't complied with Premier League rules.
I'm just waiting for it.
Manchester City found guilty and banished to the shadow realm.
"Ah, but we're not Manchester City anymore. We're Manchester City Football Club, a City Group Club. Totally different thing and therefore not our punishment to take. Hohoho, money orgy weeeee."
Manchester City found guilty and banished to the shadow realm.
"Ah, but we're not Manchester City anymore. We're Manchester City Football Club, a City Group Club. Totally different thing and therefore not our punishment to take. Hohoho, money orgy weeeee."
I don’t see how they can be…
- Their own staff admitted the emails were true in the first hearing (and that was 1% of 1% of 1%…)
- Only won appeal 2-1 by choosing who sat
- PL will get taken apart by other clubs (realise panel look at evidence over consequences but still)
- Most of the charges are effectively a done deal, it’s the minority/main ones that are debatable (to some)
This is absolutely fecking disgusting. How on earth do they get to decide who judges them, for crying out loud.
They’ll announce the verdict the same day that Shaw starts for us again.
More chance of seeing George Bernard than Luke
City had a bid accepted by spurs and berbatov jumped on a plane to Manchester to sign for them. SAF turned up at the airport, bundled him into his car and took him to Old Trafford to sign for us instead.
Levy was fuming and started preparing a "dossier" to hand to the Premier League about United's behaviour. We paid them £30m transfer fee and sent them Frazier Campbell on loan. The dossier disappeared.
Which is a pretty big fecking advantage to have over clubs run as legitimate businesses that have to live in the real world.
I think it was the other way around. He'd came up to join United and City had agreed a higher fee with Spurs than us. So Fergie met him at the airport and whisked him off to OT/Carrington.
In fairness Liverpool went from losing 6-1 to Stoke to winning the CL in 4 years.
So, it can be done.
The year before they were 2nd.
His wider point still stands though. City finished 9th and lost 8-1 to Middlesbrough on the final day. Exactly 4 years later they were champions.
Liverpool had the turnover to support the level of investment in the squad that was needed for that though
So..... never?
Each party was meant to select one of the three and the chairman selected by CAS themselves… but that didn’t happen.
“The Cas judgment also contains the extraordinary revelation that the panel’s chairman, Rui Botica Santos, a Portuguese lawyer, was recommended by City. Cas rules for appeals state that each party chooses one arbitrator, then the chairman is selected by the chairman of Cas’s own appeals arbitration division. No explanation has yet been given for why City suggested the chairman for this case, although the judgment notes that Uefa did not object”.
Only because of how much they changed the players and how much money (unearned) they threw at it.
City team v Boro was ; Isaksson, Ball/Corluka/Dunne/Garrido/Jihai, Petrov/Ireland/Fernandes, Vassell/Zimbabwe. Dunne was a solid pro, Petrov was a neat little player, the rest were crap. Elano and Hamann were missing that day from proper first team players.
By 2012, their main team was Hart (who’d been loaned out), Lescott/Kompany/Clichy/Richards, Silva/Barry/Toure/Nasri, Aguerro and either of Dzeko/Balotelli. From 08-12, sold their entire squad (bar Hart and Richards) and bought the lot spending €580m in four years… in same four years, we spent €164m, Chelsea $280m, Liverpool €290m.
The Etihad sponsorship of £400m was artificial bollocks to circumvent rules and sports wash… for a multi multi multi billionaire to have a new toy.
If they lose every trophy in the last 15-20 years, get relegated to the non league and a huge fine (peanuts I know but still deterrent for others), I’ll be happy.
I'm guessing City were very per$ua$ive.
It's astonishing that people believe this is a real quote. I don't think anyone would be so quick to believe Robinho was that stupid if he was an English player.
Well it’s a lot more believable if he isn’t, surely? I have also heard the quote was fake though.
Robinho in his introductory press conference announced his delight in joining Chelsea.
Besides, he's scum. His testimony is toxic. Probably has Lord Pannick in his contact list.
These charges are going nowhere. Forget about relegation and the like. Just remind all city fans what we all know they truly are: a cheating, right-wing vassal
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He wanted to join Chelsea. But I don’t think he thought he was joining United. Or if he did, I’m sure he was told shortly afterwards that he wasn’t. He didn’t rock up and see mark Hughes like ‘I get why you’re here, but what’s with all the blue?’
Wasn't fergie waiting for him off the plane and basically kidnapped him. He was brought to old Trafford and deal was done.
Utd had to pay spurs a bit extra so they wouldn't kick up a fuss about tapping up.
Realistically - it should end up with City being found guilty on a good chunk of the charges. They should win some points and lose some. I just cant imagine an organization losing on all 115 charges against the club. But I still don't think the punishment will be too severe
There's only three big charge they need to lose on. They could win the rest. The rest are just dressing. The three main charges are the cake.
This is why the whole argument about "never missing" / "shrewd transfer business" is absolutely laughable.
They spent four or five seasons purchasing basically anybody who would join them, took the best few forward, repeated the process, took the best few forward...finally landed on a decent squad AND then supplemented it with £150m worth of talent cherry-picked from around the World each season thereafter.
Even Ed Woodward might land on a few decent players with an open chequebook
I think they copied the Chelsea/Abramovich model. From 2003 when he came in, Chelsea bought a load of players for a ton of money (c€170m in each of the first two seasons, almost a decade before City spent that much), kept the best then steadily tweaked/added.
Great post, but it's quite incredible you even need to make it. I don't know if it's time passing or genuinely effective sanitising by media with a vested interest in protecting the league - but at the time literally everyone knew it stank to high heaven. It has been the most blatant financial cheating in sport and they simply blew away countless other well run slowly improving club and I can't fathom how anybody still needs it illustrated.
Every time they signed a flop, they just clicked their fingers and replaced him.