What's the point of an OBLIGATION to buy if we've given Chelsea the chance to opt out of it?
Seriously braindead business, I thought we had gotten rid of him. If there's anyway Chelsea can avoid signing him on a permanent deal they'll do it.
Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee
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What's the point of an OBLIGATION to buy if we've given Chelsea the chance to opt out of it?
Seriously braindead business, I thought we had gotten rid of him. If there's anyway Chelsea can avoid signing him on a permanent deal they'll do it.
Relax, I am sure they would have to put forward the obligation fee or a penalty effectively equalling that.
It may enable us to just pawn him off to Dortmund for a fee - with wages supplemented from what we would have got from Chelsea.
I'm no expert here but it reads to me like Theres a certain fee Chelsea have to pay whether it's a penalty for not abiding to the obligation, or just signing sancho from us.
I lack German expertise in these matters.
Dortmund are never buying him at his current wages but they’ll gladly keep taking him on loan. Maybe we can bin him off to Saudi
Chelsea would very likely pay a penalty fee, likely to the tune of the obligation amount. That can help pay off his wages to Dortmund.
I don’t think they would go for him again. He was underwhelming the second time there and hasn’t done anything of note since. They are stupid, but I don’t think they are that stupid.
Not sure that gives us lot of info, we knew that can happen but question is whether Chelsea are going to get out of the deal or not. Personally I hope Sancho can still have some solid performances in Conference League and possibly PL and make them decide that he's good enough as squad option for next season. They'll be able to sell him somehow in a year or two you'd think.
Genius strategy by Woodward and ETH. Sell Elanga with all the right skill-set to live with PL - pace, stamina, hard work, dedication, motivanion, productivity - on about 30k a week for measly 15mil pounds fee. Sign chubby, slow-ish, physically weak, unprofessionall, balloon inhaling idiot regularly late for training or often not even turning up for morning sessions Sancho - 70mil+ transfer fee on 250k weeks wages. The damage ETH (and Woody) did to this squad should be open to criminal investigation.
It was under Murtough. When you add Rangnick fiasco along with his signings, he looks even worse than Woodward.
Didn't we sign Sancho when OGS was still in charge?
It would be typical Chelsea if they got out of it on a technicality (yes, I know they are obligated to pay some fee if they do).
Yes. Ole also spoke a lot about "Doing plenty of background work to sign the right characters for a club like Utd, who have the mentality and what not".
It was Woodward chasing Jadon for number of years, not OGS. He was happy with the signing I give you that, which in hindsight was a mistake by Ole. But Woody - if he had a clue - should have never pursued Sancho. Then ETH made it even worse by getting rid of Elanga for a pittance, signing much much worse Ajax winger. Ole had little to no bussiness in any of these three shocking deals.
I think that is the main condition but there could be a couple of smaller conditions based on performance or play time? Either way, they can just pay a fee to not sign him.
I would suspect that most of these obligations have some kind of escape clause for the "buying" club but the financial penalty to do so would be quite high.
Yes, and this is why pinning bad transfers on Solskjær and Ten Hag both (and Mourinho, Van Gaal and Moyes, and now Amorim) is missing the target. Both Ten Hag and Solskjær said, and would say, that doing background checks on players characters and mentality was incredibly important. Their task should be to profile the right charachteristics of a player. It’s the task of others to check up on players, scout, and make sure a player actually fits the description. A manager or head coach can no longer do that job, it would be stupid to hand that task to a manager. A manager will describe his needs, and when the scouting team and sporting director/DoF/similar agrees a certain player actually has the mentality and capcities Solskjær and Ten Hag asks for, they should still agree based on their impression that the player fits, or the others will have misunderstood the profile, but he has to trust them to have done the digging and checking well enough.
None of our managers since Ferguson would probably be particularily good as Heads of scouting or even DoF’s, it’s not their skill set. However, no DoF or famed HoS would do any better job of it if they where forced to skip the hours of watching videotapes, reading data and doing interviews were sacrificed in order to be on the training ground and on picking the strategy for next sunday’s game.
If anyone let Solskjær or Ten Hag have players they liked, without digging deep to find out wether they where the prospects they looked, it’s primarily on them and the people responsible for using their knowledge (Woodward, Arnold/Murtaugh and Joel Glazer, I’m looking at you).
Dyslectic media. The contract in fact says it’s an Optligation.
Not worried at all. He plays a lot for their manager so it means the manager must like him. The obligation will be met.
It was never going to work coming back to United but he well and truly burnt his bridges with the 'freedom' comment.
I'll never forget that "I'll continue to fight for this badge" comment after the whole EtH argument
I'll never forget that "I'll continue to fight for this badge" comment after the whole EtH argument
Yeah, don’t get me wrong gents, I absolutely despise Woodward. Go back to my post history and I’ve stated numerous times he’s been the single biggest feck up we’ve made post SAF. Absolutely clueless and incompetent and was given all that power to spend and make decisions.
Just an absolute buffoon at running a football club, but the guy could sign a noodle partner and a tyre partner. He literally turned us into Disneyland - and not for any positive reason(s). Shows you how unfair this world is when someone like him still got his millions for running a club like United almost into the ground.
That is 29m pounds, more than the obligation to buy.
Ironic. Have you seen the contract?
Be funny if they did this just to avoid paying wages
I imagine that this kind of “opt out” fee is probably always embedded in these obligation to buy contracts. I very much doubt it will only be in the Sancho deal.
On the other hand I would also imagine that usually the opt out fee is high enough that it doesn’t make sense paying it as opposed to just bringing the player in and then trying to get some use or money out of them, and that’s where Sancho being so useless comes in.
We have no idea just how much this opt out fee actually is. If it is activated, then we’ll know how much they were willing to pay to not have him stick around. It the opt out fee ends up being something close to the transfer fee (Pure guesswork on my part but I think it should be to reinforce that this is meant to be an obligation) then that’s not the end of the world.
That includes wages. The obligation to buy covers the amortisation of the transfer fee and we would obviously have gotten his wages off the books.
We are still paying 100k a week. That is 5m left in salary. Added to the 15m amortisation you get a 20m, the same as the obligation to buy.
It won’t happen but can you imagine if that weasel has to report back to Carrington for preseason training….
He got paid all his wages with him stinking the place. Still paying part of his wages with him shitting at the club. I wish we could punish these players.
Oh, yeah, not levelled against you tbh, rather at the run of the mill posts we see regularily about different managers having ‘bad transfer records’, ‘saddling the club with’ so and so player, being an idiot for ‘bringing in’ this and that. Everyone from Moyes to Ten Hag has gotten the same kind of posts, taking them to task with everyone from Fellaini to Zirkzee.
What is the irony?
The obligation was £25 million dependent on where Chelsea finish. This is mostly hearsay anyway, but I imagine the fee Chelsea might owe us to break any clause would cover the amortisation cost for this year (minus wages they/we have already paid to Jadon).
Yeah I’ve heard between 10-20million but surely they’d just buy him and sell him on rather than pay £20m to break the clause? I don’t know.
In their position I'd pay the penalty, the risk of not being able to sell him and being lumbered with an expensive Bogarde regen is too high.
You're probably bang on to be fair.
Rangnick didn’t sign anyone?
If this is true, Chelsea take the £10m-£12m option, unless they're hitting the crack pipe even harder than when they signed him on loan to begin with.
Why would they pay the penalty? A 20m outlay for a player who has had an okay start at the club and is worth an immediate profit. His wages will be much lower than at United as well so he will be very much a saleable asset.
The actual issue is that he's not the best profile for what Maresca wants out of his wingers but strangely I have been impressed by his defensive work rate. I'd like to see him given a few starts as a 10.
I don’t really understand this concept that they can pay a penalty in order to avoid buying him, wasn’t it a total obligation to buy him? Why would we accept 10-15m when we would be guaranteed to get 30m when they buy him as they are obliged to?
Dortmund covered half of his wages plus we received some bonus as they reached the final of the CL (1-2m from memory)
Chelsea covered most of his wages plus will pay a penalty (say 10m).
Now, let’s assume he comes back and we can sell him to Saudi or one of the German clubs for 20-25. It’s not impossible as he only has 1 year of contract left so the his high wages is not as much of an issue.
There is a scenario in which it works to our advantage.
Chelsea covered most of his wages plus will pay a penalty (say 10m).
Now, let’s assume he comes back and we can sell him to Saudi or one of the German clubs for 20-25. It’s not impossible as he only has 1 year of contract left so the his high wages is not as much of an issue.
There is a scenario in which it works to our advantage.
In practice that just seemed to mean young and British. Sancho, James, Maguire