Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee

Relax guys, of course Chelsea are going to sign him permanently. They’ve got the reinvigorated Sancho who’s been tearing the league up since being freed from the shackles of Utd. At least that’s what they’ve been saying in the media so it must be true, right?
 
It's not a break clause, it's a penalty if they don't go through with it. I'm sure every type of contract like that has one. If we are half competent the clause will not be worth it for them to activate.

The penalty should be higher then the buy clause - otherwise what would be the point? In theory you'd think it would be more then what they would owe us to buy him, but less then what the overall cost would be to them when you factor in wages over the length of his contract.
 
I think by now there are three groups of people.

Those who think he never was that good/talented.
Those who think he just got worse.
Those who think this is a (very long) run of bad form.

But the longer time goes on the weaker the arguments for the latter get...
I think he was a brilliant player at Dortmund who would have looked even better if not for Dortmund’s style didn’t suit him and BuLi level is so high. Since then he has developed even further ahead, and now he is in the middle of a long bout of peak form.

Which group do I belong to?
 
I think he was a brilliant player at Dortmund who would have looked even better if not for Dortmund’s style didn’t suit him and BuLi level is so high. Since then he has developed even further ahead, and now he is in the middle of a long bout of peak form.

Which group do I belong to?
The wrong one.
 
I think he was a brilliant player at Dortmund who would have looked even better if not for Dortmund’s style didn’t suit him and BuLi level is so high. Since then he has developed even further ahead, and now he is in the middle of a long bout of peak form.

Which group do I belong to?
None. That opinion is so far removed from reality that you can't be considered "people " anymore.
 
I think he was a brilliant player at Dortmund who would have looked even better if not for Dortmund’s style didn’t suit him and BuLi level is so high. Since then he has developed even further ahead, and now he is in the middle of a long bout of peak form.

Which group do I belong to?
This is precisely why Trump is waging war on Fentanyl
 
He just isnt good enough for the PL, its that simple.

For some reason, he has a loyal following that will give 101 excuses.
He wasn't much better when he went back to Dortmund last year either, as much as the children running their social media liked to pretend he was.
 
Apologies if I'm repeating what's already been said.

We've all taken the 'loan with obligation to buy (LWOTB)' at face value because they always seem to have worked out. But surely it was always a given there needed to be an out clause, because you can't guarantee the player will agree to the contract offered by the new club. You can't force them to sign if they don't want to. So presumably all LWOTB have always had some kind of mechanism to allow for that situation.
Fabrizio Romero touched on this a few months back and he seems to be fairly up to speed. Sancho and Chelsea have to agree a contract for him before the loan deal started. It’s all agreed and signed. Otherwise, any loan with an obligation wouldn’t be any different to a loan with option to buy, as the club could just offer £1 a week and the player would reject it.
Sancho is going to Chelsea in the Summer.
 
He really is a dense little feck.

The irony of the backlash on social media if he somehow did end up back here after using it as is chosen platform to slag the club off which he will have brought on himself with his snide little freedom comments. Absolute child.
 
Idiot has burned his bridges here before earning a transfer to his new club. He's as dumb as he is crap.
 
He really is a dense little feck.

The irony of the backlash on social media if he somehow did end up back here after using it as is chosen platform to slag the club off which he will have brought on himself with his snide little freedom comments. Absolute child.

What's he said?
 
For the amount paid and the hype around him he’s got to be up there with Di Maria for being the worst signing in the modern era?
 
What's very ironic is that Sancho, if he could discover even half of the level he was at when he was at Dortmund, could be a genuinely great fit for us in the left 10 role. His profile fits it so perfectly that, had he not acted out the way he did, I'd be well up for giving him another shot next season. As is, I think his behaviour makes it nigh on impossible.
 
I wonder how much the fee they would have to buy to get out of the obligation to buy him?
 
What's very ironic is that Sancho, if he could discover even half of the level he was at when he was at Dortmund, could be a genuinely great fit for us in the left 10 role. His profile fits it so perfectly that, had he not acted out the way he did, I'd be well up for giving him another shot next season. As is, I think his behaviour makes it nigh on impossible.
He have disrespected the club, the fans. He has no business at being at the club ever again. If Chelsea send him back, we should not let him near the club and he should go find another club from day one.
 
We are paying half his wages and don’t think we got much of a loan fee, wouldn’t be a shock if there was a break clause as we weren’t in a strong position.

Unless the fee for not going through with it is something like 15m he’s coming back. If Chelsea only have to pay a fee of 5-10m it’s a no brainer for them to send him back.
 
If it's true then our negotiators need to be sacked. An obligation to buy is by nature binding. We even accepted a lesser fee to have that instead of a right to buy

It depends how much that break is though, if it's anything about £20m then fair enough (Chelsea might find that worth it so they're not stuck with him for 5 years)
 
We are paying half his wages and don’t think we got much of a loan fee, wouldn’t be a shock if there was a break clause as we weren’t in a strong position.

Unless the fee for not going through with it is something like 15m he’s coming back. If Chelsea only have to pay a fee of 5-10m it’s a no brainer for them to send him back.

You didn't get any loan fee but Chelsea are paying "the majority" of his wages. The "get-out" fee is basically in place of a loan fee so It'll probably be pretty chunky but I've not seen any figure reported anywhere.
 
He have disrespected the club, the fans. He has no business at being at the club ever again. If Chelsea send him back, we should not let him near the club and he should go find another club from day one.
Oh I agree. I don't think Sancho has a future here either. I'd also question whether he has the attitude needed to rediscover his old form.

I was just saying that at his best he is, somewhat ironically, an almost perfect fit for that left attacking midfield role now.
 
Wonder if there might be some more transfer shenanigns to come with this one. In the post from earlier that shared some of the Chelsea fans thoughts, there was someone saying that they needed to not repeat the mistake they made with Joao Felix but that was not really a mistake as it was understood that going back and buying him was a PSR deal in order to get the Gallagher to Atletico deal that they desperately needed finalized. Chelsea did not want Felix, they wanted Omorodion which collapsed, but they needed to sell Gallagher which Atletico could not afford without an outgoing transfer.

Is it possible we end up doing something similar this summer. Chelsea threaten to invoke the penalty clause unless we buy one of their 97 players and so we end up doing some mutual back scratching for PSR and if so who might that be or who would you want it to be?
 
Oh I agree. I don't think Sancho has a future here either. I'd also question whether he has the attitude needed to rediscover his old form.

I was just saying that at his best he is, somewhat ironically, an almost perfect fit for that left attacking midfield role now.

In line with Amorims decision he could very well play under the system. I made the same observation, Sancho doesn't suit a traditional winger role, he doesn't have the athleticism to beat his man consistently. He can be tidy in possession, the left 10 role makes perfect sense especially in an environment where United won't have excess funds going into the summer.

The point posters are making about his application and temperament are perfectly correct but at the end of the day if Amorim intends to utilise him (if he returns) he will be given the opportunity pre season.
 
The penalty should be higher then the buy clause - otherwise what would be the point? In theory you'd think it would be more then what they would owe us to buy him, but less then what the overall cost would be to them when you factor in wages over the length of his contract.
Ehh, they'd still get the player, so the penalty doesn't have to be higher than the clause in order for it to make sense. If they can get the player for £25m or trigger a penalty of £15m by breaking the contract (I don't know if that's the actual figure), they'd just take the player. He's not worthless.
 
Ehh, they'd still get the player, so the penalty doesn't have to be higher than the clause in order for it to make sense. If they can get the player for £25m or trigger a penalty of £15m by breaking the contract (I don't know if that's the actual figure), they'd just take the player. He's not worthless.

Well say the break is £28m... To them it might be worth paying the extra £4m then be saddled with paying his wages for however many years. It'll cost them more in the long run.

Guess it depends how much you they think the could sell him for. With his wages I think you would genuinely struggle to get over £10m
 
In line with Amorims decision he could very well play under the system. I made the same observation, Sancho doesn't suit a traditional winger role, he doesn't have the athleticism to beat his man consistently. He can be tidy in possession, the left 10 role makes perfect sense especially in an environment where United won't have excess funds going into the summer.

The point posters are making about his application and temperament are perfectly correct but at the end of the day if Amorim intends to utilise him (if he returns) he will be given the opportunity pre season.

He won’t play for us again, if Chelsea can back out of the deal, which I’m sure they love to do, he’ll just be sold or loaned out for the last year of his contract.

Can’t be trying to change the culture of the club and then playing someone like him again.
 
Well say the break is £28m... To them it might be worth paying the extra £4m then be saddled with paying his wages for however many years. It'll cost them more in the long run.

Guess it depends how much you they think the could sell him for. With his wages I think you would genuinely struggle to get over £10m
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If you're going to go ridiculous, you might as well say £100 mil.
 
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If you're going to go ridiculous, you might as well say £100 mil.

I'm just using it as an example. Like you used £1m in an early post.

Right now it's just as likely to be £28m then £1m... Ultimately nobody has a clue