Musk | Fascist | Leader of the Free World

JPRouve said:
Who exactly insulted you? Report whoever did it.

Also stating that an idea is delusional can be interpreted as calling anyone subscribing to it as delusional, it's not exactly a big leap.
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I can’t be bothered to report anyone. I was probably in the wrong anyway and I’d rather discuss Musk with real people. It’s too easy for people to vent their aggression when anonymous online for me to find it worth my time to try and sort things out here.

I really don’t want to be dramatic and I don’t take online insults personally, but the chain of events here is just a confirmation for me that spending any time on the Caf isn’t worth it for me so have asked Niall to delete my account.
 
moses said:
Huge swathes of the media have been shit for decades. Owned by the rich to serve the rich etc. The noise that social media has created has bizarrely amplified the shitter end of the media.
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It’s not bizarre. It’s bots. There’s a huge amount of astroturfing that happens with the sole purpose of amplifying certain narratives.
 
Redlambs said:
You keep using the word sensitive, whilst clearly being the most sensitive one in here. You even announced your departure :lol:

But then, if you think being anti-fascist is being a bit sensitive, then there are plenty of other places on the internet for the kind of bubble you want.
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My departure has more to do with me failing to engage in any constructive conversations than me being sensitive. Though obviously it’s not fun nor meaningful for me to have mockery thrown at me 20 times.
 
Macern said:
I said the idea of him being a fascist was delusional, it wasn’t directed at anyone specifically. How is that insulting towards anyone? There’s a difference between that and the replies which was not only disagreements regarding my opinions but actually insults towards me as a poster. Your twisting of things here is the laughable bit actually.
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Surely when you have plenty of people making that exact argument (or a very similar one), you understand how it is perceived to be insulting?
 
Macern said:
I can’t be bothered to report anyone. I was probably in the wrong anyway and I’d rather discuss Musk with real people. It’s too easy for people to vent their aggression when anonymous online for me to find it worth my time to try and sort things out here.

I really don’t want to be dramatic and I don’t take online insults personally, but the chain of events here is just a confirmation for me that spending any time on the Caf isn’t worth it for me so have asked Niall to delete my account.
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Can you at least give an example of these aggressions? Let me be clear because it's getting tiresome, you either point to the post you are talking about or you stop lying in order to avoid having to talk about your initial claims. This tactic is spineless.
 
Red Star One said:
I understand why it can come across as a bit aggressive and hostile and maybe you were indeed lucky to have lived under the rock not to notice thousands of Nazi-supporting and openly fascist, authoritarian moves by Musk. But remember some people here are 1) living the consequences of the fascist shift in the US 2) tired of Musk-sponsored propaganda they face daily, so don't be surprised they get a bit annoyed reading about the "protector of democracy" who instigates violence against them
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People who are suffering from the consequences of Musk’s fascism should perhaps not engage in online debate on a Man Utd forum where people who don’t necessarily have a lot of heavy insight into Musk’s history and actions are free to post their opinions. If they’re tired of facing Musk-propaganda daily then they definitely should not seek out discussions on a platform in which they might face that.
 
moses said:
Huge swathes of the media have been shit for decades. Owned by the rich to serve the rich etc. The noise that social media has created has bizarrely amplified the shitter end of the media.
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Undoubtedly. I have to go with independent journalists, and the quality is just night and day. These are people you'd have seen on CSPAN 20 years ago. There's about twenty of them I go around. I know their journalistic standards which saves you an immense time these days.

You're right thought. Manufacturing Consent 101 demonstrates the function of the media even before it completely tanked. The good days were still fiercely anti-left. Anti-Truth, tbh, when it suited their advertisers regardless of any political science spectrum insert.
 
Macern said:
People who are suffering from the consequences of Musk’s fascism should perhaps not engage in online debate on a Man Utd forum where people who don’t necessarily have a lot of heavy insight into Musk’s history and actions are free to post their opinions. If they’re tired of facing Musk-propaganda daily then they definitely should not seek out discussions on a platform in which they might face that.
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So you want to be able to call people's opinion delusional when their opinion is based on facts while yours aren't? And they are somehow responsible for your shortcomings and should avoid these topics?
 
Macern said:
My departure has more to do with me failing to engage in any constructive conversations than me being sensitive. Though obviously it’s not fun nor meaningful for me to have mockery thrown at me 20 times.
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You opened your attempt at "constructive conversation" by openly calling people deluded about a subject you clearly know next to nothing about.

Now you are having your account deleted (if you actually go through with it, doubt), after continuing to call everyone else "sensitive".

You aren't going to have any more luck with these "real people" you seem to want to converse with. Unless, of course, you bubble yourself up on twitter or any number of other Internet dark areas that think one way.

The issue here is your own sensitivity, and lack of any real knowledge. Any kind of debate with "real people" would very likely go the same way. Constructive isn't calling people deluded and sensitive, especially when that turns out to be projection.

But still, sad to see the outcome. All the best.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s not bizarre. It’s bots. There’s a huge amount of astroturfing that happens with the sole purpose of amplifying certain narratives.
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Yeah. You're right bizarre is not the right word. It's just that in the early days of the internet the giddiness surrounding the democratisation of media and information was everywhere. And initially it did look promising. But that was brief.

Disclosure of age ... I did a thesis on Regulation of the Internet in 1998.
 
JPRouve said:
Can you at least give an example of these aggressions? Let me be clear because it's getting tiresome, you either point to the post you are talking about or you stop lying in order to avoid having to talk about your initial claims. This tactic is spineless.
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dumbo said:
Oh please don't do that. Just go and watch some cartoons, video game, or go for a walk, or
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dumbo said:
something, anything, anything else. Please.
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maniak said:
Oh how I'd love to also live under a rock.
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Mike Smalling said:
You would genuinely have to be a moron to believe Musk wants to save Democracy.
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JPRouve said:
Can you at least give an example of these aggressions? Let me be clear because it's getting tiresome, you either point to the post you are talking about or you stop lying in order to avoid having to talk about your initial claims. This tactic is spineless.
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Lying? Multi quote on phone is a bitch but these posts for instance
 
Macern said:
You’re just factually incorrect here. I didn’t call anyone delusional and the laughing was at the humour with ‘we got a live one here’ and in no way laughing at someones opinions. But that’s the caf for you, sensitive people getting provoked at disagreements turning towards the poster, twisting and derailing a conversation into insults and mockery. Not sure why I’d expect anything different though.
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Come on, such a weird copout. The way delusion manifests is through ideas, because it's a disconnect between reality and the perception of it. There is no actual difference between calling someone's ideas delusional and the person delusional.
 
Redlambs said:
You opened your attempt at "constructive conversation" by openly calling people deluded about a subject you clearly know next to nothing about.

Now you are having your account deleted (if you actually go through with it, doubt), after continuing to call everyone else "sensitive".

You aren't going to have any more luck with these "real people" you seem to want to converse with. Unless, of course, you bubble yourself up on twitter or any number of other Internet dark areas that think one way.

The issue here is your own sensitivity, and lack of any real knowledge. Any kind of debate with "real people" would very likely go the same way. Constructive isn't calling people deluded and sensitive, especially when that turns out to be projection.

But still, sad to see the outcome. All the best.
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Let me assess the real people in my life for myself. I had an opener which was not very good, but didn’t expect lots of quotes calling me moronic and living under a rock etc. It’s not me being sensitive, because I wasn’t provoked by someone to the point where I decided to mock them specifically. Being sensitive is turning away from the posts to the poster and displaying mockery behaviour.
 
Macern said:
People who are suffering from the consequences of Musk’s fascism should perhaps not engage in online debate on a Man Utd forum where people who don’t necessarily have a lot of heavy insight into Musk’s history and actions are free to post their opinions. If they’re tired of facing Musk-propaganda daily then they definitely should not seek out discussions on a platform in which they might face that.
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Not you though, as you were "pretty confident" that he genuinely wants to protect free speech and democracy at all costs. I wish all this was satire :lol:
 
Macern said:
Let me assess the real people in my life for myself. I had an opener which was not very good, but didn’t expect lots of quotes calling me moronic and living under a rock etc. It’s not me being sensitive, because I wasn’t provoked by someone to the point where I decided to mock them specifically. Being sensitive is turning away from the posts to the poster and displaying mockery behaviour.
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You know, you can just change your password to random key taps and then log out.

You keep threatening to leave, then replying with further posts that show unwillingness to actually progress. It's just a circle of you claiming to be mocked and calling others sensitive, after being the one to do the mocking and clearly being the most sensitive one. It's tiresome and you won't get the bubble you desire here.
 
Macern said:
I literally referenced myself with that bolded bit.
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As I said in my initial post, your opinion is possible if you know nothing about Musk outside of how mainstream media protrays him. And the issue with the way you shared your opinion is that you didn't just share it, you ridiculed the alternative and made widely off the mark claims. If you had simply shared your view and asked others why theirs were different then the conversation may have been cordial but it's not what you did.
 
Revan said:
That really does not mean much. Everyone's worth is mainly on paper only, there aren't many people who are keeping billions in cash, and pretty much no individual is keeping tens of billions in cash.
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Yes but his paper value relies on a number of businesses that are built on foundations of mud. He will never be anywhere near poor of course but the inflated value of a number of his businesses are likely to crash if he is forced off government money, his reputation continues to decline and/or he continues to see businesses like Starlink and Tesla lose customers due to his idiocy.

Fingers crossed.
 
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Macern said:
You’re just factually incorrect here. I didn’t call anyone delusional and the laughing was at the humour with ‘we got a live one here’ and in no way laughing at someones opinions. But that’s the caf for you, sensitive people getting provoked at disagreements turning towards the poster, twisting and derailing a conversation into insults and mockery. Not sure why I’d expect anything different though.
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Amazing spell of faux-victimhood going on.

You said thinking Musk was a fascist was delusional, implying all who does is in fact delusional.

People then replied giving cases of fascistic or fascist-adjacent behaviour, and you claim that as ‘derailing the conversation’ and turning on you (again no specific example given).

And then, in what I guess can only be described as projection, you claim EVERYONE ELSE is being sensitive when the only person crying foul is yourself.
 
I think it's pretty funny that you're leaving something you presumably (used to?) like because you like Elon Musk too much to stay, it's an interesting way to live. :lol:
 
Watching his fortune crumble and end up in prison would be the perfect ending.

He will never reach the heights he had again, foolish move for the apparent “genius”.

Getting the president to shill your company as it crumbles because you are a vile hateful man and the secret it out. That fragile ego when you have everything, nothing more than a coward/bully.

Hope he rots.
 
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The only good thing coming out of this would be maga people buying Teslas to stick it to the "libruls" and end up taking on debt they can't afford. Yes, im actively rooting for the pain of certain others because clearly the only thing that matters to them is them and themselves only.
 
Macern said:
However it’s clear this is a very sensitive subject for you lot and I can’t be arsed engaging in a defense/attack debate especially as I don’t follow him that closely and I would have to read up a lot in order to do so.
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It is not a sensitive subject at all - it is 100% clear cut and obvious. Unless you are totally uneducated and/or uninterested in US politics and geopolitics for that matter it should be easy to see. The second part is such a cop out on your part, you do not have to "read up a lot". Keeping half an eye on the news would be enough.

Your comment about MSM being "biased" is also very telling...

Edit: Posted before reading the next couple of pages. Another one bites the dust!
 
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I feel like trolls used to have more conviction in the past. All it took was a page of mild criticism and that's it, account deleted.

Sad
 
Redplane said:
The only good thing coming out of this would be maga people buying Teslas to stick it to the "libruls" and end up taking on debt they can't afford. Yes, im actively rooting for the pain of certain others because clearly the only thing that matters to them is them and themselves only.
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Another good thing would be them making it easier to distinguish the MAGA ultras from regular folk. Almost like a certain armband they used to wear in Germany a while back to show who they support.
 
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