Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?

Adz_99 said:
He's the only current United player I feel sorry for because he deserves better than the players he has to work with. He'd have looked right at home in any of Fergies teams
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Would have loved to see Bruno play in our team during 06-09. He's as good as the players that played during those seasons, and would have deserved to experience the success those squads did.

Still don't think he'll be counted as a legend, due to no major trophies. It's a shame. He'll be remembered fondly by the fanbase. He was one of the only shining lights during this banter period. His form for 18 months after signing was absolutely ridiculous.

Redislands said:
Le Tissier.
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He never wanted to leave Southampton. He obviously would have if he wanted to. The other guy comparing Bruno to Nani and Fortune is wild, though.
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
I hate fans who hate Bruno.

One of the best players ever for United.

It's weird that legends are made for some by trophies they have won.

Trophies are won by teams, not individuals.

Also, if legends are only won by trophies then all clubs on the bottom half of the tables in any league would technically have no legends because they never win trophies.
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I also don’t understand fans who hate Bruno. But to say he’s one of our best ever players is laughable and actually disrespectful.
A great player in a poor United side? Absolutely and after he leaves us he’ll be remembered more fondly by the haters.
But one of our best ever? No chance.
 
LeonDion said:
Not a chance. Not even a dream. United have has so many legendary players, great players, good players. Bruno may fit in last category here if debatable. But not legend.

Macari
Stapleton
Moses
Bruce
Pallister
Ince
Mcclair
Whiteside (arguably)
Mcgrath
Olsen
Strachen
Sharpe
Kanchelskis
Butt
Sheringham
Yorke
Stam
Tevez
Park
Brown
Evans
Carrick

Non of these and more are legends at United. Bruno isn’t even close to being best player on this list.
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Genuinely the first fan I’ve ever come across who wouldn’t class Carrick as a club legend. An ever present and pivotal player to 5 prems and a champions league…
 
LeonDion said:
Not a chance. Not even a dream. United have has so many legendary players, great players, good players. Bruno may fit in last category here if debatable. But not legend.

Macari
Stapleton
Moses
Bruce
Pallister
Ince
Mcclair
Whiteside (arguably)
Mcgrath
Olsen
Strachen
Sharpe
Kanchelskis
Butt
Sheringham
Yorke
Stam
Tevez
Park
Brown
Evans
Carrick

Non of these and more are legends at United. Bruno isn’t even close to being best player on this list.
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Tevez? Really? If he ever returned to Old Trafford he'd be booed.
 
I consider De Gea a legend and felt for him having to bail us out for years but he at least won the title in his 2nd season. Bruno has few cups and given he's 31 you really don't expect him to win the league with us even if we were to achieve that in 3/4 years (and no one can be confident of that happening). Shame we couldn't get Europa in 2020 or 2021. This year you wouldn't bet on us either.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Tevez? Really? If he ever returned to Old Trafford he'd be booed.
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Ince too. Celebrated like an absolute Cnut at the Kop end when he thought he’d stopped us winning the treble in 99.

This poster had a mare putting those two in the same category as Michael Carrick and Wes Brown.
 
I don’t think he personally can do any more in terms of improving his performance level. It’s now up to the club to build around him and enable him to take us to a league or Champions League title such that people see him as a legend. Unfortunately, he’s already 30, so I think we’ve run out of time for him to become one. It’s genuinely sad because I love the player and man that he is.
 
You need to win a lot more than 1 fa cup and 1 league cup to even be talked about as a legend of any club.
 
Don't know if he's United legend or not, but he's definitely one of my all time favorite United players.
 
Considering we currently are, at best, a midtable club now (despite many of you thinking We DeSerVe troPhiEs because some sort of divine heir) he's absolutely a legend and i feel sorry for the lad to having to drag these lot of players who can't make 5 yard passes
 
Pickle85 said:
No, it's a sign of the club in a bad position. It doesn't mean that fans' standards have slipped. Everyone wants us to be back challenging for the big pots but that's quite frankly not possible at the moment. So this is what we've got.

So you don't think Kane is a spurs legend, le tissier is a saints legend etc?
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What spurs and Southampton consider legends isn’t a measuring a stick for what a club like Manchester United consider club legends. We’ve had a large bunch of players who have won 5+ league titles. Those clubs haven’t got that…
Le Tis kept Southampton in the top flight against all the odds and Kane’s goals kept Spurs as a stalwart Top 4 club. Bruno hasn’t elevated us to anything.

No player post Ferguson - to now - will ever be in a discussion for being a United legend, not even close. Bruno will be remembered as a good player when we were shite and that’s it.
No sane person would put Bruno in a bracket with Charlton, Robson, Cantona, Giggs, Scholes etc.
 
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CloneMC16 said:
Would have loved to see Bruno play in our team during 06-09. He's as good as the players that played during those seasons, and would have deserved to experience the success those squads did.

Still don't think he'll be counted as a legend, due to no major trophies. It's a shame. He'll be remembered fondly by the fanbase. He was one of the only shining lights during this banter period. His form for 18 months after signing was absolutely ridiculous.


He never wanted to leave Southampton. He obviously would have if he wanted to. The other guy comparing Bruno to Nani and Fortune is wild, though.
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I don't think so. He is a "moments" player with great stats; can be garbage in several games but in some of them will produce an important goal or assist. Stats can decieve.

His biggest problem is that he gives the ball away too much meaning he can't really control games and also he is really easy to play against. Best amongst a bad bad bunch but not good enough for Ferguson's best teams.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
He wouldn't though. We never played with a classic 10 under SAF. We tried to with Veron but failed. And dont tell me Bruno is better than Veron.
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I don't think this should be a debate at all. Bruno is way better than Veron. Whatever Veron did for Lazio doesn't matter for me - if you look at their Man Utd performances, its night and day.
 
G97 said:
What spurs and Southampton consider legends isn’t a measuring a stick for what a club like Manchester United consider club legends. We’ve had a large bunch of players who have won 5+ league titles. Those clubs haven’t got that…
Le Tis kept Southampton in the top flight against all the odds and Kane’s goals kept Spurs as a stalwart Top 4 club. Bruno hasn’t elevated us to anything.

No player post Ferguson - to now - will ever be in a discussion for being a United legend, not even close. Bruno will be remembered as a good player when we were shite and that’s it.
No sane person would put Bruno in a bracket with Charlton, Robson, Cantona, Giggs, Scholes etc.
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So we're back to 'a player has to have won the league to be considered a legend', which I fundamentally disagree with. Just like I fundamentally disagree that Bruno hasn't elevated us to anything. We've won cups with him and would have been much worse off without him. Of course he's elevated us.

He's a player that's given his best years to an underachieving club, consistently performed at a high level, clearly loves the club and cares a great deal about it, and has captained it. He's definitely a legend in my eyes.
 
G97 said:
Ince too. Celebrated like an absolute Cnut at the Kop end when he thought he’d stopped us winning the treble in 99.

This poster had a mare putting those two in the same category as Michael Carrick and Wes Brown.
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Are you dumb? This is a list of players who in my opinion would not be considered legends..but who performed and achieve to high standard at United.

The rest can be debated…such as Carrick. Good player benefited from great team. Ince great player so elevated a great team. Regardless of what went next…Ince was far better player.

Also on Carrick many fans don’t see him in same status as Best, Law, Charlton, Robson, Schmeichel, Keane, Cantona, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc
 
Pickle85 said:
Man spent the last half hour collating a weird list and still decided to post it after Bruno scored a screamer. Bless.
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What is weird about list of good players for United who wouldn’t (even if some could be debated) be considered legends? In a thread about whether player will achieve legend?

Why not stick to the point and debate? You lack credibility
 
Wand of a right foot said:
I don't think so. He is a "moments" player with great stats; can be garbage in several games but in some of them will produce an important goal or assist. Stats can decieve.

His biggest problem is that he gives the ball away too much meaning he can't really control games and also he is really easy to play against. Best amongst a bad bad bunch but not good enough for Ferguson's best teams.
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Fernandes is world class and would almost certainly have been a regular starter between 06 and 11.

In the last few years of that period, we were often only a couple of injuries from the likes of Anderson/O'Shea/Gibson starting in the midfield on a regular basis. I'd even go as far as to say that, even in 08, the midfield was probably the weakest part of that team which is why it was absurd that we didn't bring anyone in once Hagreaves was out from September 2008.

Fernandes ability to stay fit and regular deliver important assists and/or goals would have obviously been important to the team. Fergie would have loved him.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
We played with Scholes behind Van Nistelrooy before Scholes turned into more of a DLP.
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Yeah he wasn't the best covering the ground / defensive work and was a goal threat so was more of a second striker until his legs really went and then we saw his adaptation to DLP which proved why he's a better footballer than Gerrard and Lampard.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
We played with Scholes behind Van Nistelrooy before Scholes turned into more of a DLP.
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I would also argue that Rooney was something resembling a no.10 for huge chunks of his career. Someone pedantic will now correct me and claim that "a second striker is not the same as a no.10", but the difference is marginal. And either way, I would argue that Bruno kind of was a second striker when Ole was charge.

Fergie would 100% have loved Bruno and found plenty of minutes for him.
 
Legend is not much more than a term of approval - it has almost zero objective criteria. Do the fans love you? Do the fans think you are a hero? Do the fans think you are brilliant, wonderful, the heart and soul of everything United? Every club has got it's legends in this sense - even Scunny has its "legends!" Bruno is obviously a great footballer but the very fact that the Caf is debating his likely status says it all - nope - not enough of us fans have taken him to our hearts for him to get the legend tag.
 
LeonDion said:
Are you dumb? This is a list of players who in my opinion would not be considered legends..but who performed and achieve to high standard at United.

The rest can be debated…such as Carrick. Good player benefited from great team. Ince great player so elevated a great team. Regardless of what went next…Ince was far better player.

Also on Carrick many fans don’t see him in same status as Best, Law, Charlton, Robson, Schmeichel, Keane, Cantona, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney etc
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You have compiled a list of players who you regard as having a similar status at the club and group Carrick and Brown with Tevez and Ince. The latter 2 were great players but their behaviour after playing for us has taken away any credibility they achieved at the club.
And you are doing Carrick a massive disservice, making out he was a passenger. We hadn’t won the league for 4 years before he joined. He came in basically played every game and we won 3 league titles in a row and a CL… let’s add to that he scored his penalty in Moscow and won player of the year in our 20th league title season… on what planet can anyone say he isn’t a legend.
Again to describe Ince as ‘far’ better is ludicrous.
 
G97 said:
What spurs and Southampton consider legends isn’t a measuring a stick for what a club like Manchester United consider club legends. We’ve had a large bunch of players who have won 5+ league titles. Those clubs haven’t got that…
Le Tis kept Southampton in the top flight against all the odds and Kane’s goals kept Spurs as a stalwart Top 4 club. Bruno hasn’t elevated us to anything.

No player post Ferguson - to now - will ever be in a discussion for being a United legend, not even close. Bruno will be remembered as a good player when we were shite and that’s it.
No sane person would put Bruno in a bracket with Charlton, Robson, Cantona, Giggs, Scholes etc.
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Robson won the league in his 12th season at 36. At age 30, Robson had ‘only’ won 2 FA Cups, similar to Bruno with two domestic cups.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Robson won the league in his 12th season at 36. At age 30, Robson had ‘only’ won 2 FA Cups, similar to Bruno with two domestic cups.
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Would be cool if Bruno, hopefully not waiting until 36 mind, has this same journey of being captain for a team that is not where they want to be and then is a key part of the build towards winning. Seems highly doubtful but that's the only way any player can reach legend status in my mind right now - being key players in our return to the top (whenever that comes).
 
G97 said:
You have compiled a list of players who you regard as having a similar status at the club and group Carrick and Brown with Tevez and Ince. The latter 2 were great players but their behaviour after playing for us has taken away any credibility they achieved at the club.
And you are doing Carrick a massive disservice, making out he was a passenger. We hadn’t won the league for 4 years before he joined. He came in basically played every game and we won 3 league titles in a row and a CL… let’s add to that he scored his penalty in Moscow and won player of the year in our 20th league title season… on what planet can anyone say he isn’t a legend.
Again to describe Ince as ‘far’ better is ludicrous.
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Interesting about Carrick. My memory of that time was him being considered a good but not a great part of a fantastic United side. That's not necessarily a criticism of him but there has been a slight rewriting of history about his overall ability.

Going back to 10/11, the general consensus was that we needed an upgrade on him if we were gonna win the Champions League again. The following season we started Cleverley and Anderson (there was a brief moment where those were considered the "future) over Carrick.

I'd argue Carrick (in the eyes of the fans) became better as our midfield got steadily worse.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Robson won the league in his 12th season at 36. At age 30, Robson had ‘only’ won 2 FA Cups, similar to Bruno with two domestic cups.
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Robson was arguably the best player in the world for a period - far better than Bruno - and rejected a move to Italy to stay with us. He showed unwavering loyalty to us.

Bruno divides opinion throughout the fanbase… his attitude often called into question. That was never the case with Robson, Who had far more ability and a far better attitude than Bruno.
I’m not sh!tting on Bruno, I like him, but Comparing them is an insult to Robson.
 
People started completely losing their minds i see or its desperation to have something coming out from last 10 years of shit, imagine thinking he is a legend and then put him right next to others, his behavior alone on top of other things, or do we need to rewind some tapes, people have short memories.
 
I dont care who is considered a legend or not. But one thing is certain, he loves the badge and plays no matter what. He has the culture we want and I like him for being a true red
 
R'hllor said:
people have short memories.
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No, it's people like you who have a distorted grasp of reality.

Bruno has barely been around for 5 years and in that time he has:

- Won our POTY 3 times and is now on course for a 4th
- Delivered elite goal contribution numbers despite playing for a poor United team
- Delivered elite creative stats
- Delivered excellent defensive stats compared to other similar players (Ødegaard, De Bruyne, Palmer etc)
- Worked incredibly hard and remained fit for pretty much every game
- Given United all his best years
- Been the club captain for years
- Won two cups and been one of the standout performers in the final for one of them

Bruno has everything (and then some) you would want in a club legend apart from PL and CL trophies. If you think that this is necessary in order to become club legend then fair enough. I disagree and find the opinion incredibly dumb, but it's still a valid opinion seeing as "legend" always will be subjective.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Fernandes is world class and would almost certainly have been a regular starter between 06 and 11.

In the last few years of that period, we were often only a couple of injuries from the likes of Anderson/O'Shea/Gibson starting in the midfield on a regular basis. I'd even go as far as to say that, even in 08, the midfield was probably the weakest part of that team which is why it was absurd that we didn't bring anyone in once Hagreaves was out from September 2008.

Fernandes ability to stay fit and regular deliver important assists and/or goals would have obviously been important to the team. Fergie would have loved him.
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He stands out because we lack any truly great players. As i said, his biggest problem is that he loses the ball way too much and his work rate isn't good enough. 06-09 we had Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves, Park and Giggs; by then Giggs actually played as an attacking midfielder rather than as a conventional winger.

In someways, he reminds me of Stevie G minus the work rate. Big fish here right now; understand the praise but calling him world class more than stretches it, it actually is not true.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Interesting about Carrick. My memory of that time was him being considered a good but not a great part of a fantastic United side. That's not necessarily a criticism of him but there has been a slight rewriting of history about his overall ability.

Going back to 10/11, the general consensus was that we needed an upgrade on him if we were gonna win the Champions League again. The following season we started Cleverley and Anderson (there was a brief moment where those were considered the "future) over Carrick.

I'd argue Carrick (in the eyes of the fans) became better as our midfield got steadily worse.
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Nah, that's just fans overstating his one obviously bad season at the club (2009-10) in the aftermath of replacing Ronaldo with Valencia and Michael Owen. It was the beginning of the "no value in the market" era that saw the squad's overall quality worsen year by year. And as it was happening, Carrick's positioning was getting deeper and his passing more conservative to serve specific needs. He adapted to Fergie's instructions, he became a more limited version of the midfielder he was between 2006-09, with the fans piling on him for that until 2013, but that version of him had more "value" to a (regressing) United side when it came to maintaining its high status. We'd give an arm and a leg to have a prime Carrick now.
 
It speaks to the entitlement of some fans who refuse to acknowledge Bruno’s performances for us in one of the worst United squads ever. A legend isn’t only about winning cups and titles, it is also about showcasing an unflinching commitment to the club and a dedication to doing your best even in dire times. I’d go as far as to say Bruno is more of a legend than players who’ve won us trophies in the past with a team of superstars.
 
BorisManUtd said:
Most clubs don't win trophies. Would that mean they don't have legends?
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I think Bruno has a chance in the end to be a legend but you can't compare a United legend to 'most clubs' legends
 
Scandi Red said:
Bruno has barely been around for 5 years and in that time he has:

- Won our POTY 3 times and is now on course for a 4th
- Delivered elite goal contribution numbers despite playing for a poor United team
- Delivered elite creative stats
- Delivered excellent defensive stats compared to other similar players (Ødegaard, De Bruyne, Palmer etc)
- Worked incredibly hard and remained fit for pretty much every game
- Given United all his best years
- Been the club captain for years
- Won two cups and been one of the standout performers in the final for one of them

Bruno has everything (and then some) you would want in a club legend apart from PL and CL trophies. If you think that this is necessary in order to become club legend then fair enough. I disagree and find the opinion incredibly dumb, but it's still a valid opinion seeing as "legend" always will be subjective.
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Bruno is a great player and the best post Fergie signing, but like all post Fergie signings he has some serious problems. Firstly, he's highly inconsistent especially in the last two years where he's great for 2 months, then ghosting for the next two.

When there are world class players around him, he seems to underperform. In 2021/22 it was primarily Ronaldo and De Gea who carried the team. In 2022/23 it was clearly Rashford who was the star of the squad.

He was sensational in the first six months, but he never recaptuted that kind of magic again. The strikers in Man Utd don't seem to get any service, and Bruno is supposedly one of the most creative players in the EPL?

He also doesn't seem to a captain material for me. To be a captain, you need to have great leadership skills and have some sort of authority on the pitch. He has neither of those characteristics. I really like him as a player, but I don't think that he's a legend for these reasons.
 
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